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Hi, and welcome. Could you take a look at Hypertension? It needs you. Regards, Nancy Sculerati 16:57, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

we have no templates of any kind. The only health sciences articles that are currently approved are Infant colic and Contraception (medical methods). You can see how different those two are and they were both fine, so you should feel free to approach this as you feel you can do the best job. Other health sciences articles that are started, (some barely) important and could use lots of additions are Tuberculosis, and Cancer, Stroke, and Myocardial Infarction. Nancy Sculerati 18:37, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Robert (is it Robert?) I am pretty terrible at references and would advise you to teach me (once you figure it out) rather than ask me- although it's nice to get messages from you on my talk page. He isn't active tonight- but Gareth Leng seems to be great at this, and it's a pleasure to see your work here, by the way. Regards, Nancy Sculerati 19:30, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

No- try all the ways, andx we'll see how it works out. Nancy Sculerati 16:36, 21 June 2007 (CDT)


Hi Roger, I've been working on your LBP article. Are we heading in the right direction? If so, we might be able to pull together one more editor and work toward getting it to Approved status.. What do you think? --Matt Innis (Talk) 10:23, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the quick response. I responded on my talk page. --Matt Innis (Talk) 11:22, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Venous stasis ulcer

Robert, I recently checklisted the article you started at Venous stasis ulcer and noticed that it was incomplete - not even in stub format. I had requested a delete, but was informed that I should check with you first and see what your plans with the article are and see if we should salvage it. Thanks. --Todd Coles 20:46, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

That page was a result of a discussion with N Sculerati about how to start a new page when I do not have time to write an entire page. The idea was that I would added sentences at a time. On that particular topic, I have done better writing at Although some of the pages I have helped on at WP I think are good enough to move to CZ with a little editing; I do not think is in that category except for its treatment section.
Ok to delete Venous stasis ulcer. Or if you prefer, I can bring over the treatment section only of the WP page. Regarding future pages, is there a prescribe course for starting stubs, or does CZ prefer I not start a page till its content is more mature?Robert Badgett 21:42, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
Hi Robert, the relevent sections of Citizendium Policy for stubs is just in the CZ:Article Deletion Policy:
  • it consists of two sentences or less, or 50 words or less, which have been left on the wiki for more than two hours;
Larry saved it! Then I expanded on yours some, so I wouldn't have to delete it, though this is not may area of expertise. Do look it over an make any changes you want for now. It shouldn't get deleted now. --Matt Innis (Talk) 21:54, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
ThanksRobert Badgett 22:42, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

Hi Rob

Nice to see you back. Let me know if I can ever help you in any way.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 23:33, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Thanks very much.Robert Badgett 00:23, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

Accidental fall

I moved your article to accidental fall--I hope this is OK. The title should be singular, and the word "accidental" in the title makes it clearer what the subject of the article is. It's not autumn, and it's not a descending body of water. --Larry Sanger 07:49, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

You are fast.Robert Badgett 07:57, 17 October 2007 (CDT)
According to the National Library of Medicine, their canonical term is accidental falls. On one hand it seems ideal to match their term to facilitate future connectivity to other databases; on the other hand the plural does sound odd. Either way is ok with me.Robert Badgett 08:00, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

==Non-specific viral-like syndromes-- Articles to consider are West Nile virus, Dengue fever, borrelia (not lyme disease), leptospirosis, acute HIV, Enterovirus , and murine typhus. Maybe influenza and adenovirus.Robert Badgett 10:07, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Do you want this fixed?

This. Stephen Ewen 01:03, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

There are a lot of technical things that would be nice to fix for CZ; I have littered the forum with some of them (highlighting citations/backlinks and nav popups). Fixing Infobox_Disease would definitely be on this (you must have been the person that fixed the link to the PMID on cite ref). While we are on a roll, how would I promote consistency in disease and drug articles such as done here. Thanks very much for anything you can do.Robert Badgett 01:36, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

Cochrane Collaboration Moves

Hello Robert,

Moving the Evidence–based medicine section to the Evidence-based medicine page and the Study guidelines section to Clinical practice guideline is certainly a reasonable idea. However, they are brief and should still remain in the Cochrane article with a link in the Cochrane article to your work at the Clinical practice guideline article and the Evidence-based medicine since they serve to briefly explain the concepts for the Cochrane Collaboration. I will put the links in now. You can copy and use what you think is appropriate of course --Thomas Simmons 19:12, 20 October 2007 (CDT)


Hi Dr Badgett, I just added subpages to Pericarditis. Would you care to check the categories? Aleta Curry 00:31, 22 October 2007 (CDT)

Thanks. I do not yet have a feel for what the subpages add over just adding the same content as sections in the article. Is there information somewhere on subpages?Robert Badgett 00:58, 22 October 2007 (CDT)
Hi again. Okay, the subpages are for information related to the main article that you wouldn't want in the actual text of the article, and the article and its subpages is called a cluster. So, at a minimum, you'd probably have a bibliography subpage and a related articles subpage.
So, when I did garden, subpages are "related articles" (flower, tree) and subpage biliography (What Flower is That?, Gardening Australia Magazine), and subpage catalogs.
Yes, there is information and I'll try to find where it is, but I'm really bad at that. If I can't find the link, I'll ask Matt or Stephen
You can also click in the boxes all the way at the left, second box down, "Communication", then follow the link to the forums, where all the chat goes on. We've had some looong subpages discussions there.
Aleta Curry 01:35, 22 October 2007 (CDT)

Back again. Here is subpages info: CZ:Subpages Aleta Curry 16:06, 22 October 2007 (CDT)


Hi Robert. Say, what's the situation with Image:Materson_et_al._NEJM_1994._PMID_8177286.jpg? Are you the creator of that? Or who is the copyright holder? Is is it really licensed under a Creative Commons license? How do we know that? Kindly let me know. We need to make sure all images are in the clear or do what it takes to get them in the clear. Let me know if you need help. Stephen Ewen 03:00, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

I created the image based on text in the article based on data in the original article (PMID 8446138) and the followup correction letter (PMID 8177286). I thought was a good license. To me, basic scholarship always specifies sources. Is this not a good license? Thanks Robert Badgett 09:02, 26 October 2007 (CDT)
Okay, thanks, all clear. I was not sure whether it was taken from the source or based upon the source. Stephen Ewen 11:31, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Medical errors

With respect to this edit to Medical errors: If you previously inserted information into a Wikipedia article, and then inserted the same text into Citizendium you need to credit Wikipedia as a source, provide a link back to the Wikipedia material and cite the GNU Free Documentation License as the license the text is under. By the way, I have no professional medical expertise. The information I posted in the article is derivative from the Institute for Healthcare Improvement. I'm sorry to start this article and then not diligently follow up with it, but I have too many other projects. Fred Bauder 04:41, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

This is mistaken, Fred. Copyright is with the creator of the work, not the publisher in this case. When person X submits something to WP, they do not transfer their copyright to WP. You own the copyright to what you create and submit at Wikipedia and you can later take your particular submission there and do whatever you want with it. Its your creation and your copyright. On the other hand, if another takes my work there, the GFDL is in full force.
Stephen Ewen 10:02, 29 October 2007 (CDT)
Of course, it would be nice if you can document that it is solely your work on wikipedia. This can be done by viewing edit histories on wikipedia. Then go ahead and place information to that effect on the talk page (up top somehwere), that would be helpful for authors that come by next year and think it was copied without attribution. --Matt Innis (Talk) 10:13, 29 October 2007 (CDT)
Per the article's history at WP, I created the section on Aug 16th and there have been no edits to it since. So should I remove the from WP statement on the CZ version of the article?

Robert Badgett 11:39, 30 October 2007 (CDT)


Hi Robert. The article I think was mainly written by Christo. I see your point about the organisation. As a physiologist I guess I would have gone for an organisation that separates a)the anatomy and physiology of nociceptive pathways and b) perception of pain.

This is approximately how it is organised, but the headings don't make this clear, e.g. the categories "neuropathic pain" and "nociceptive pain" are not equivalent. I think reorganisation would help.Gareth Leng 11:48, 30 October 2007 (CDT)


Hey Robert, we have this opportunity from the people at Merck that I thought I would run by you, what do you think?

NOTE: FOLLOWING IS NOT A BIO (but please read)

First, let me applaud your effort to provide a wiki with content from expert contributors. There is a great deal of information available free online, though not all of it is reliable.

Second, I propose a collaboration between Citizendium and the Merck Manuals department at Merck & Co., Inc. This department, of which I'm a staff member (Executive Editor, Electronic Publications), publishes The Merck Manual, a print and online textbook created by expert contributors.

We are prepared to place links in your External Links section of Citizendium topics to related material in our online version of The Merck Manual. Two examples:

Subject: Guillain Barre Syndrome. Your page: The link in External Links would go to:

Subject: Otitis Externa. Your page: The link in External Links would go to:

Unfortunately, we are not in a position to author material for you, but we'd be delighted to add value to your pages with links to our material. We invite you to visit The Manual at to determine for yourself whether links to this content is acceptable and desirable. In a preliminary review, I found 40 to 50 Citizendium topics to which we could contribute.

Please let me know if you are interested in such a collaboration.

--Matt Innis (Talk) 14:33, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Very interesting, but I would not touch. I do not think the editorial processes of the Merck Manual are sufficiently transparent for us to be ok with linking to them. Note that they do not even put references in their content. Also, their chapter I looked at is two years old. I would link to emedicine before I would link to the merck manual.Robert Badgett 14:42, 30 October 2007 (CDT)
Interesting, Robert--could you say so on cz-biology and cz-healthsci, which I posted the proposal to? --Larry Sanger 14:47, 30 October 2007 (CDT)
I looked at,30.0.html, but did not see your thread.Robert Badgett 14:56, 30 October 2007 (CDT)
He means cz-biology mailing list and cz-health-sci mailing list. Stephen Ewen 16:16, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Aristolochic acid, any symptoms/treatment info?

Robert, would you happen to have good information regarding treatment and more symptoms info for my Aristolochic acid article? David E. Volk 16:40, 7 November 2007 (CST)

Sound like you need a clustered medline search. Try a Vivismo search at HighWire (click here). After you get your search results back and make any edits you want to your strategy, click the tab on the results page that says "Articles Indexed by Subject". If you prefer a straight up medline search, click here. Looks like this compound may cause:
  • nephropathies of various types
  • bitter taste
  • genotoxic in vitro

..but that is after a quick sanc of results without reading the abstracts. - Robert Badgett 21:54, 7 November 2007 (CST)


Hey Robert, I made a disambiguation page for diabetes (disambiguation). I'm not sure that this is the best way to do it. Maybe use diabetes as a page to generally describe diabetes and then link to all the types. Either way, thought I'd help out some! --Matt Innis (Talk) 08:29, 8 November 2007 (CST)

That could be a good way to go; lets see what happens. Diabetes is not a term/concept according to MeSH; so this may appropriate. - Robert Badgett 08:37, 8 November 2007 (CST)
Wow, that's an awesome list.. you think we will end up with articles on each or will we combine a bunch? --Matt Innis (Talk) 08:47, 8 November 2007 (CST)
Some day, maybe we will... Note that by using the National Library of Medicine's xml, we could automate the building of medical disease pages. See Allergic rhinitis. I added to the causation section, but all else can be built automatically. Same for drug information pages, see Doxycycline. - Robert Badgett 10:07, 8 November 2007 (CST)
I think you are right. If we follow their classification system, we should be ahead of the curve and be able to recreate their rational nomeclature system. I'll see if I can fall in line with what you are doing. --Matt Innis (Talk) 10:35, 8 November 2007 (CST)

Compression fracture

Hi Robert, check out my first attempt at using the MeSHID process! I do realize that MeSH uses Fractures, compression but Larry seems to want Compression fracture. Does that work for you? --Matt Innis (Talk) 21:56, 14 November 2007 (CST)

I suggest choosing canonical terms with MeSH rather than MedlinePLus. If you check Mesh ( you will find Fractures, compression as you said. However, note that "compression fractures" in an entry term. I think entry terms are fine to use. I know that Larry prefers singular nouns. Either way ok with me as "compression fracture" also scores. Note that search plugins can make this work much faster. - Robert Badgett 22:01, 14 November 2007 (CST)
Good news. I've got the links loaded! --Matt Innis (Talk) 22:15, 14 November 2007 (CST)

Are these chagnes ok?

Yup, keep them coming! I appreciate all the help I can get ;-) --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:34, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Diagnostic test

Hi again, Rob. Could you review the additions I made to diagnostic test (opening two paragraphs). Also, please see my question before I continue adding subpages. Thanks! Aleta Curry 15:06, 27 November 2007 (CST)

Reminder! It's a party!

Your friendly neighbourhood Mistress of Ceremonies here, reminding you about the December write-a-thon! Please drop by and add yourself to the list of partiers--or non party-goers--as the case may be. You can leave a comment, question or excuse there, too--or talk to me Aleta Curry 16:05, 4 December 2007 (CST)

You deserve to be credited...

Well, I see you were working away on party day, which makes you one of the shy boys. I’ll have to come and drag you in next month! Aleta Curry 23:41, 9 December 2007 (CST)

Re: Depression page...

Thaanks for your input, Robert, it was well met on all counts. In the spirit of keeping open dialogue, see the Depression Talk page, rather than my reporuding my comments here. Blessings... --Michael J. Formica 08:06, 19 December 2007 (CST)

Hey, thanks, Robert! Looks great. I actually culled those references, so they were drop-ins.
Listen, my template skills are poor, at best. I noticed that you've scripted most, if not all, of the citation templates. If I gave you the parameters for APA references, could you put one together for me? I thought it would be good if the psych pages used that as a global standard, rather than mix and match or something else entirely. Thoughts? --Michael J. Formica 06:39, 20 December 2007 (CST)
The CZ Template:Citation builds a citation that is pretty close (maybe the same) as the APA format. Please send me an example and I will look it over. Emailing me might be easier ( - Robert Badgett 07:06, 20 December 2007 (CST)

The "fact" template my humble opinion is one of the most obnoxious habits Wikipedians got themselves into (after I left, mind you). Of course, I am all in favor of supporting facts that need to be supported, and I'm also in favor of pointing out that they need to be supported, but...I am not in favor of placing a snarky template on articles. I would strongly prefer moving to the talk page any statements that are so questionable as to require such a template. That's a more honest way forward, I think, if we are presenting our articles as for general public consumption and not for our own mutual admiration. --Larry Sanger 08:34, 20 December 2007 (CST)

I am glad you responded as the fact template was so conspicuously absent from CZ that I suspected it was by design. I think this gets at the larger issue of dispute resolution, etc. While your suggestion is cleaner, I find it very hard to implement. I find that discussions on talk pages get lost. Sometimes the discussion spills into the user pages of those in the discussion, sometimes the discussion spills into several talk pages if more than one is involved. Also, I find it hard to go back and check various threads I have on different talk pages. Lastly, I try very hard to avoid deleting/removing someone's thoughts. I much prefer to resolve or display both views. When I forget to provide my citations, I think it is much easier to respond to a fact template than to find what someone did with my missing text.
I propose that 1) we leave the fact template operational as its give the correct advice at the correct location, 2) we suppress display of the contents of the template when a author or editor is not viewing the page (eg when the public is viewing the page). 3) should I edit the template to something less terse than "citation needed"?
If you want to give editors the option to hide the entire disputed text from the public, we could explore the effects of placing a start and stop tag around the relevant text so the public would see neither the template nor the text. This would be an interesting option as sometimes I see important unsourced claims that I suspect are true (and would only use the fact template); whereas sometimes I see unsourced claims that I am pretty sure are not true and I would like to hide from public until resolution.
I do not think I have seen the word snarky before - but I see it is in - Robert Badgett 08:58, 20 December 2007 (CST)

Yes, commenting out text that requires support would be superior to using a fact template. There is no way to implement your (2) without considerable programming. But I think simply removing the text to the talk page is as good a solution as any. I'm very much open to other creative solutions. --Larry Sanger 09:05, 20 December 2007 (CST)

FYI, when completed, will do #2. Stephen Ewen 20:04, 20 December 2007 (CST)
Personally, I've taken to creating article-specific Sandbox pages. It will be cumbersome to continue this practice as the database expands, but, in the moment, it prevents contention driven by wholesale deletion of material, and deflects confusion by virtue of moving good, but unreferenced content to the Talk page. --Michael J. Formica 21:34, 20 December 2007 (CST)

Party! You're invited!

Hi Robert — Your neighbourhood Mistress of Ceremonies here. Don’t forget to come on over to the party and sign in at one of the categories! Aleta Curry 15:22, 9 January 2008 (CST) say ‘hi’ to me here.

Important housecleaning note

Hi Robert. I noted here that you copied over Medically unexplained physical symptoms from WP. In each and every instance where this happens, we need to do one of two things: 1) tick that little "from WP" box next to the save page button; 2) use this on the talk page of the article:

{{WPauthor2|your Wikipedia username|the name of the article on Wikipedia|A statement saying you authored 
the material at Wikipedia|~~~~}}


Stephen Ewen 23:03, 14 January 2008 (CST)

How about if I was a contributor to the section that I copy/pasted, but I am not the sole author.-Robert Badgett 23:23, 14 January 2008 (CST)
Then you'd use the second option, noting what you just told me in the section where you make the statement. This needs to happen each time it is so, or we'll get nasties from the WP folks. Stephen Ewen 00:06, 15 January 2008 (CST)
I just did this at Talk:Nutritional support. - Robert Badgett 13:17, 16 January 2008 (CST)

new drug pages to match your articles

Hi Robert, I have been trailing some of your articles and starting pages for a bunch of drugs mentioned in some of your articles, such as sulfasalazine, minocycline, leflunomide, azathioprine, folic acid, mesalamine, and perhaps a few more. I suspect you have more knowledge of these drugs than I. If so, have a look and improve them please. I basically started each page with a chemical structure and a short paragraph, with brand names and synonyms added. You could look at my home page and click the "user contribution" button to see which I made recently. David E. Volk 17:00, 22 January 2008 (CST)

Robert, I like the DailyMed template, very nice. Thanks for the tip. I noticed that you also added in the categories, which you should not do. The categories go on the Metadata template page and will show up on the main page. When I convert your pages to the "subpages" format, I remove your categories and type them into the metadata page.

I did not see any articles with 3-column brand names??

Do you have any plans to start a cholesterol page? David E. Volk 14:14, 24 January 2008 (CST)

Sounds like I need to learn more about metadata pages. Where do I find the metadata template page?
For 3 columns, see lovastatin and simvastatin.
No plans to start cholesterol. I will occasionally add to the pages for diseases relevant to cholesterol.

- Robert Badgett 14:46, 24 January 2008 (CST)


Good morning, Bob.

I replied Here Aleta Curry 15:46, 23 January 2008 (CST)

metadata and subpages template instructions

Bob, you can find the basic instructions here CZ:Start_article. There is a link to this page on the CZ:Home page, midway down on the left side. This will give you an idea of how to do it. For an example of a filled metadata template, go to the talk page of Lovastatin and you will see link to the metadata page on the right hand side. Click it and see what a filled page looks like.

You might follow the directions given the first time through, however, I find it faster to do things in the following order:

Follow step 1: Make the metadata page, then fill in the article title, then the type of English (variant=AE), the alphabetical directory listing (abc=lovastatin), status= (3 for stub, 2 for developing, 1 for very developed), category check= n (see below), cleanup='y' or 'n', sign your name with "by = four tildas", and fill in the categories. The "category check" = yes if you want someone to doublecheck your categories, otherwise=no. SAVE THE PAGE

2: Once saved, you will see a tab for the "talk" page, which is red if a new (talk) article. Click on this a put the text {{subpages}} at the top of the page. SAVE THE PAGE

3: Now you will see a revolving "Please Create Approval" page, click on this and SAVE THE PAGE that pops up, no edits needed.

4: Now click the "Main Article", place the same subpages text at the top and start writing the article.

Once you have done it a few times, you will find that it only takes 30 seconds or so for the process.

If you run into trouble, write back. David E. Volk 15:16, 24 January 2008 (CST)

Thanks for the referencing help

I'd do the rest of it in Clinical decision support system after the weekend. Supten Sarbadhikari 20:45, 24 January 2008 (CST)

My template doesn't like your data

Sorry, Bob, I had to remove your name from CZ:Group Status. My template is prejudiced against your data, for some mysterious reason. When adding your data in, it basically caused the template to break, so that no data after yours displayed on CZ:Group Status. I tried to figure out which line might be responsible for the problem, but I couldn't. I think it might be the length, but then, the template on your userpage ({{userplan-all}}) has no trouble with the length. If you can figure it out, I would be happy. Sorry! --Larry Sanger 23:11, 25 January 2008 (CST)

I just removed all of the long range plans. See if that fixed it. Seems it was probably either the length or maybe some of the embedded markup. - Robert Badgett 23:17, 25 January 2008 (CST)

I tried that myself. It does fix the problem, but I don't want to delete your data...

You might try adding it back in a line at a time. --Larry Sanger 23:28, 25 January 2008 (CST)

American College of Chest Physicians

I moved the page you created on this group to a subpage of your user page since it didn't have any text, just two (useful) links from which an article could be written. Feel free to move it back when it has some text, or ask in the Workgroup for help with it. Hope this isn't a problem... Thanks! Jesse Weinstein 15:37, 4 February 2008 (CST)

What will this do to the articles that link to this page? Robert Badgett 15:39, 4 February 2008 (CST)
For the moment, since there is still a redirect from the article to the subpage in your userspace, the links will still point where they did. It should be alright, for now. Jesse Weinstein 11:10, 16 February 2008 (CST)


I added a pretty unique photo there and sort of got caught in to adding some text. You might want to have a look at Talk:Echinacea. Stephen Ewen 01:56, 6 February 2008 (CST)


Hi, I was wondering if there was any special way to make a template on here versus Wikipedia. I was never good with the technical stuff over there. Andrew Sylvia 21:56, 8 February 2008 (CST)

I have done some simple things; what do you need? - Robert Badgett 22:52, 8 February 2008 (CST)

Probiotics in Holland

I saw that you wrote about probiotics. In the Netherlands there was lots of commotion about probiotics recently. Maybe you are aware of this. If not, see e.g., --Paul Wormer 02:45, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Yes, the Lancet RCT is what started me on this edit. See the section at probiotics on adverse effects: mortality. - Robert Badgett 02:48, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Protein C

Hi Bob. Thomas Simmons from Constabulary here. Was wondering if you had any plans to expand the article on protein C? We try to keep the number of very small, inactive pages to a minimum. --Thomas Simmons 05:04, 28 February 2008 (CST)

If you all don't mind leaving the small medical pages as they are, it really helps. I do not think any body in medicine has enough time to write more than a bullet at a time. If we require more to launch a page, it will become a barrier to adding content. As new research comes out on the topic, I will add to it. A number of the medicine pages have evolved this way. Slow, but works. - Robert Badgett 10:58, 28 February 2008 (CST)

OK. I will take this over to the Constables' discussion list and make sure they have been informed.--Thomas Simmons 17:42, 28 February 2008 (CST)

Drug Bank template

Robert, that's great. However, I don't think the proteomics and genomics label for it is the best, since the site also lists metabolism, mechanism of action, drug interactions, and so may other things. For most drugs, it has complete information. You might just remove that description, and say acetominophen: detailed information from the Drug Bank. David E. Volk 08:00, 5 March 2008 (CST)

Done - Robert Badgett 08:05, 5 March 2008 (CST)
Robert, does the template automatically fill in the page like DailyMed, or de we need to actually find the DB number and put it into the template like you did for the example? David E. Volk 10:43, 5 March 2008 (CST)
You can send either a drug name or its number as done in the examples at Template:DrugBank. Unrelated question: why copyright your drug structure images when almost the same images are available at DrugBank? Are yours derived from theirs? - Bob (Robert Badgett 11:51, 5 March 2008 (CST))

reply and template things

Many of the structures come from theirs, but they are sometimes mistaken, as are other sites. I started Copywriting because the template asked me to (ie You're almost done!). However, my images have the standard license agreement like everything else on CZ, so people can still use my images no problem (note the CC label).

For DailyMed, could you shorten the text slightly to fit on one line? I think it would appear nicer that way.

For DrugBank, can you add Canada in the text somehow? It is funded by the Canadian goverment. It might also lead more credence to the site.

Finally, is it possible to make one template, called CZdrug, for example, that would insert the text for all three sites at once?

I have updated over 80 drug articles to now include DailyMed, MedMaster and DrugBank. David E. Volk 12:45, 5 March 2008 (CST)

Sounds like the answer to your questions is that we are at the point to make a Drug Information box, it would include the three templates you said and also the chemistry information. I suggest you look at how WP handles this:
  • Example using reserpine (I always like to use reserpine for my examples because is has been so smeared inappropriately over the years. WP does a terrible job with reserpine. I think the first two paragraphs in the sections Uses and Side effects are mine.
  • The WP Drugbox template

You could rough out what you are interesting in on a page in your own name space such which I started at User:David_E._Volk/Drugbox. We could edit this till it looks right, then I can turn it into a template. This is a nice opportunity to start one from scratch to get it just the way we want. - Robert Badgett 18:00, 5 March 2008 (CST)

Chemistry style guide - drug section

Robert, could you please take a look at Chemistry style guide, the section on drug articles? Is there anything missing from this section that you think should be a part of all drug articles? Thanks. David E. Volk 13:46, 5 March 2008 (CST)

Standardizing the naming of biomedical articles

Hello. The proposal record for "Standardizing the naming of biomedical articles", for which you are listed as driver, says that the current step (vet this proposal to see if worth carrying forward) was due to be completed 1 March. Could you please update the proposal record on CZ:Proposals/Ad hoc, changing your self-imposed deadline and perhaps the next step?

At the moment, the proposal seems to be only advisory and not very detailed, so it may be worthwhile to develop it further. But if you don't feel like it, feel free to have it approved by the Biology and Health Sciences workgroups, as explained at the top of CZ:Proposals/Standardizing the naming of biomedical articles. -- The Proposals Manager, Jitse Niesen 06:46, 6 March 2008 (CST)

drug templates

Hi Robert, I like the DrugBank template and have implemented it and MedMaster is about 80 drug articles yesterday. I think the chem_infobox template, which is being developed, should be sufficient. Robert King and I plan on a simplified version compared to the WP version, which in our opinion has too much information. As for the three (DailyMed, MedMaster, DrugBank) templates, it is easy enough to type them in. I was just thinking that a combined one could be made by concatenating your current three templates or the new one could type in the text for three. This is certainly not a big deal either way.

I am more curious as Dosing information. Is this something want to avoid or encourage? To me, this seems like a real medical decision that should left to the personal physician, not a web site, but your opinion on this matter is certainly more valuable than mine. David E. Volk 10:55, 6 March 2008 (CST)

I'm no doctor, but I think this might be a bad idea as it would introduce a certain liability we would be exposed to especially given our stance that we have "involved experts". --Robert W King 11:16, 6 March 2008 (CST)
Robert King, that is exactly my concern as well. David E. Volk 11:24, 6 March 2008 (CST)
In the example I borrowed from WP, Drugbox, I do not see anything about prescriptive dosing information. I suggest that for now, let readers who want this level of detail follow the links to the FDA-approved label. Seem ok? Regarding liability in general, some online health resources are starting to have standard disclaimers on their web pages. Do we want to do that for pages that are in the Health Sciences Workgroup?- Robert Badgett 12:53, 6 March 2008 (CST)
How about in big, bright black letters with a jolly roger (skull & crossbones) next to it that says "IF YOU OVERDOSE AND DIE, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE!" ;D --Robert W King 12:58, 6 March 2008 (CST)

my phrasing

I live just off of Jolly Roger! I was thinking something like this at the top of each drug page:

The use of any medication should be discussed with a personal physician and pharmacist. This page should not be considered medical advice, but as an aid to help foster such discussions. David E. Volk 15:37, 6 March 2008 (CST)

This discussion seems to important for a user page. I am continuing this at CZ Talk:Health Sciences Workgroup. - Robert Badgett 16:12, 6 March 2008 (CST)


Robert, could start the approval process for ketoconazole if you think it is ready? If not, could you makde any suggestions for improvement? Thanks, David E. Volk 10:17, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

I did some cosmetic edits. It would nice to be able to link to RCTs or qualified guidance to note under what circumstances ketoconazole is a first line treatment. I do not know this topic well enough to say.
Regarding the drug interactions, since most/all(?) are due to CYP3A4, it might be good to start the paragraph with this topic. Regarding P450, I think and maybe are excellent resources. I wonder about listing all of the interactions as once we do this, we have to maintain this. It might be best to link to another authoritative source such as - Robert Badgett 09:21, 13 March 2008 (CDT)


Hi Robert, could you cast an eye over Atkins Nutritional Approach, think it should be added to Health Sciences workgroup.Gareth Leng 05:53, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

Added - Bob - Robert Badgett 09:08, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

Standardizing the naming of biomedical articles II

Hello. May I please remind you of my earlier message, dated 6 March, on your proposal "Standardizing the naming of biomedical articles.". As far as I can see, you haven't yet updated the proposal record on CZ:Proposals/Ad hoc, nor have I seen any sign of activity on the proposal page. If nothing happens within a week, I'll have to assume that you are no longer interested in the proposal and thus remove you as its driver, which will render the proposal inactive. Alternatively, you may want to fold the proposal in a Health Sciences style guide, as David Volk suggested on the proposal page. -- The Proposals Manager, Jitse Niesen 09:22, 18 March 2008 (CDT)

I did not see any further action, so the proposal has now become inactive and I moved it to CZ:Proposals/Driverless. If you want to revive the proposal, just update the deadline in the proposal record and start working on it. -- The Proposals Manager, Jitse Niesen 17:32, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

I had left a message after your first query at CZ:Proposals/Standardizing_the_naming_of_biomedical_articles. about agreeing it should be moved to the Health Sciences Style guide. - Robert Badgett 19:12, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
Sorry, I hadn't realized that you decided to do this. Okay, go ahead and include (or get somebody else to include) it in the Health Science style guide. -- Jitse Niesen 18:32, 30 March 2008 (CDT)
Where is the style guide? If it does not exist, how do I start it? Thanks - Bob - Robert Badgett 20:36, 30 March 2008 (CDT)
I don't know. You should probably ask David E. Volk, he is spearheading the proposal to create workgroup style guides. Hopefully, he'll add details like this to his proposals. -- Jitse Niesen 08:19, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
I was bold and just started the Chemistry style guide, and after I had a decent start, I sent mail to all of
the Chemistry editors asking for additional input and comments, which were then implemented. So of that page is now
redundant with parts of the CZ:How To I started later. After making this one, I made a proposal that all
workgroups should this kind of guide for standards and to help new author know what is expected for a workgroup. David E. Volk 08:36, 31 March 2008 (CDT)


Robert, I have made substantial rearrangements to the Steroid article, including removal of the cholesterol picture. Have a look and let me know if you disagree with any of the changes. David E. Volk 15:03, 27 March 2008 (CDT)

Looks very good to me. Not too many references, but I do not think this type of page is destined to need many references. - Bob - Robert Badgett 15:07, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
Regarding references, remember that things generally known by experts in the field do not need to be referenced. However, we might fill in a good external links & bibliography section. David E. Volk 15:14, 27 March 2008 (CDT)


What is your goal for Thrombolysis in Myocardial Infarction (TIMI) risk score? You want it to be a section of the Acute_coronary_syndrome article or you were hoping for it to reside on a subpage within that cluster? If the latter, I'm not sure which would be the best choice. You can only use designated subpages names. You can see the current subpage names available at the top of the Talk:Acute_coronary_syndrome page in the Unused subpages section. You can create one by clicking on one of those links. Once you have decided on the final home you can add a speedy delete tag to the current article at Thrombolysis in Myocardial Infarction (TIMI) risk score using the format {{speedydelete|Create page by mistake|~~~}}. Chris Day 11:15, 1 April 2008 (CDT)

Thanks for quick response. As the TIMI is linked by more than one article, I thought it should be its own page. I had the impression (incorrect I now see) that it could be a page in the related cluster of articles. Since that cannot happen, seems it should remain an independent page as it is. I forgot that a cluster can only have the standard offering of subpages. - Robert Badgett 11:21, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
One possible subpage would be Acute_coronary_syndrome/Addendum, but I agree with you that it is probably better that it exists in its own right, as an independant cluster. Chris Day 11:27, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
Thanks for working so hard on organizing us. I do have concerns that someone new to CZ may be intimidated by the process when confronted with instructions such as creating clusters. - Robert Badgett 11:40, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
It's definitely a hard process. I'm trying to make it as easy and intuitive as possible. Any ideas for improvements are welcome. Of course some might not be possible. Ideally, when you create a cluster, everything gets done automatically after selecting a few parameter options on an opening page (either drop down menus or radio buttons). Unfortunately, it will not happen soon, as far as I know. Chris Day 11:49, 1 April 2008 (CDT)

The {r} template, etc

Hi, when you create lists of articles, using the {r} template, you don't need to include the '*' - the template includes that for you automagically (and, in fact, adding it messes us the formatting). I fixed a couple of the ones you recently worked on, but I don't know if I got them all. Also, when creating a new article, don't forget to create lots of redirects (to find/prevent duplicate articles) - alternative-case, hyphenation variations, etc. I see you've done a few, but more are always better! Thanks! J. Noel Chiappa 09:44, 15 June 2008 (CDT)

Thanks for the heads up. Robert Badgett

See The table probably needs to be remade, but for now it's a quick fix. --Robert W King 08:57, 22 June 2008 (CDT)

ED and drug pages

Robert, erectile dysfunction, sildenafil and vardenafil could certainly use your help during "collaboration week".

Med templates

Robert, I think I asked previously if you could write a combo medicine template, called something like CZMed, that would automate this information and standardize the formated. The format you left on my talk page is just fine with me. David E. Volk 14:32, 22 June 2008 (CDT)

Template {{CZMed}} is made. See Levetiracetam for example. Any changes you want to the template? - Bob - Robert Badgett 11:00, 25 June 2008 (CDT)
Sweet!, Thanks Bob. David E. Volk 11:07, 25 June 2008 (CDT)

Drug classes wanted?

Robert, are there any particular drug classes that you would like me to work on to match up with your articles or planned articles? At present, many of the antibiotics and antivirals are done, recently ED meds were done. That leaves many drug classes. You can find lists at the DrugBank. David E. Volk 09:29, 24 June 2008 (CDT)

I am mainly working on seizure / epilepsy medicines for a teaching project due in August. Note the changes I did to the sildenafil pages for its references. The Diberri too] is very handy for this. Thanks - Robert Badgett 11:36, 25 June 2008 (CDT)
I made a list of epilepsy drugs at Epilepsy/Catalogs and will be working on them as my next project. The list was obtained from DrugBank. Be sure to add any new ones they might not have on the list yet. David E. Volk 14:10, 25 June 2008 (CDT)
That is very nice - I did not know about catalogue subpages. I had been doing this with the 'Related' subpage. - Robert Badgett 14:23, 25 June 2008 (CDT)


I have no problem, although I believe the trend in disambiguation is more sign (medical). Chris Day probably is the authority on that. For consistency, we might as well disambiguate symptom, since that's a common enough usage in mechanics and such; we should make it clear that symptom (medical) has a precise definition. Howard C. Berkowitz 10:53, 30 September 2008 (CDT)

I would not say I am an authority. I think I am leaning to using brackets (during a disambiguation clean out that is what I used) but we need community input to set a standard. There are other issues too, that I do not have time to articulate right now. I will try and write a summary of the current situation and my recommendation. That can be a starting point for debate. Chris Day 11:06, 30 September 2008 (CDT)
Thanks, let me know if I can help. - Robert Badgett 11:09, 30 September 2008 (CDT)
Thanks, certainly any opinion you have is worth a lot. We need to address this problem from all angles. Chris Day 11:35, 30 September 2008 (CDT)

That orphan page template

That template is problematic since there are three possible reason why it may appear. The computer, however, cannot distinguish between the options and thus you have to pick the one that suits you best. In your case it is because you are starting a new article. Just click on the A link and you will have the options for starting various subpages in the cluster. True, this is not user friendly at all, but its the only way we can keep track of lost pages. Once you know what to expect it should be relatively trivial. The reason for the white space is I am trying to split up the different instructions. Maybe this is worse than having them all in one place? Chris Day 21:32, 5 October 2008 (CDT)

To me, I think it was easier to use before addition of the white space. - Robert Badgett 21:49, 5 October 2008 (CDT)
I'm sure you are not the only one. Chris Day 22:28, 5 October 2008 (CDT)

"It pleases me"

Isn't that the etymology of placebo? Good additions.

I thought I saw a typo, but it looks like a rendering error (I'm on Firefox 3.0). There's a big space, on my screen, between "World Medical Organization" and " 's". It's correct in the text.

Thanks for the box on the side; I've been wanting to learn how to do that.

More on RCTs, placebo vs. nonplacebo, etc. are really needed at the moment, with a very contentious article at Homeopathy. Thanks.

Let's think a little more about "placebo" vs. "placebo effect". The first is clearly an act. The second may not be any sham treatment, but the fact of any treatment. I wonder if a parallel to the "reverse placebo effect" of "white coat hypertension" might fit here somewhere? It does illustrate how mind-body mechanisms can work in either direction. (I have never been able to donate blood to the Red Cross, because I built their first donor screening software, and, having to have a volunteer drone question after question when I could just burst out the answers, was always hypertensive by the time they took my BP. I took it myself before going in and it was fine) Howard C. Berkowitz 15:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Your testimony

Please let us have it! --Larry Sanger 21:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Legionaire's disease

Hello Robert. They discovered Legionaire's in the water of UTMB recently, and I don't know much about it. Hint for a new article! David E. Volk 22:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

You guys have all the bad luck. We have enjoyed hosting your medical students in San Antonio since the hurricane. Here is a bare bones start Legionnaires' Disease. - Robert Badgett 22:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Geez is that fast service! David E. Volk

Approval of Evidence based medicine

Hi Robert, from what I am reading on the talk page, you seem to feel comfortable with the article. If so, would you mind putting your name in the metadate template just below Supten's? That would be three editors endorsing that version and we can lock the page and create a draft page for future changes. If for any reason you are not comfortable doing that, let me know. D. Matt Innis 18:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Intellectually, I am fine with the content. Does my having written much of it preempt me from endorsing? - Robert Badgett 18:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
No, as long as you have two other editors willing to endorse the work, then we can use the three editor process, even if all three of them added content. In fact, since Gareth added content, he can't use the single editor approval process, but with you and Supten, it qualifies for the three editor approval. D. Matt Innis 00:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, Robert! Isn't that you're first approved article (of many more to come!)? Good to work with you. D. Matt Innis 02:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for your help. Now I have to learn about drafts. Do we periodically batch approve edits to an already approved page? - Robert Badgett 02:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly right. The process just keeps repeating itself. You can still use the single or three editor process and they don't have to be the same editors each time. So if you decide something needs changing, just ask Gareth and Supten (or other Healing Arts or Health Sciences editors) to look them over and if they agree, put your names on the ToAeditor spots again with a new date. On that date, the page will be moved to the Approved version and locked again. Although, if you just want to make copyedits, you can ask a constable (me) and they can do those without having to ask any other editors. Make sense? D. Matt Innis 02:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I think so. I throw in isolated sentences when new articles come out all of the time. So rather than nickel and dime the editors, I will periodically batch some requests. - Robert Badgett 03:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations Robert, love watching you plug away on your articles. I wish I could help more but most of it is out of my area. Chris Day 03:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I tried once, but Robert is like the everyready bunny, he just keeps going and going and going. Before I knew it, I was lost!! It's one of those times to just 'lead, follow or get out of the way' I got out of the way! D. Matt Innis 03:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Giving credit to authors and editors of articles

See CZ:Proposals/Citing CZ article by authors and CZ:Proposals/Pilot to allow Citizens to take credit for pages

  • To cite an article: Author, A. A., Author, B. B., & Author, C. C., and other contributors. "Gladysvale Cave" (version 1.0, 12 Jan 2008). Reviewed by E. E. Editor, F. F. Editor, & G. G. Editor (Eds.). Citizendium. Available at But need to add link to current version here? unsigned by Robert Badgett
Are you thinking of citing some of the pages at citizendium? Chris Day 19:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
No, but I am organizing thoughts to try to revive the projects at the two urls above giving academic credit for articles. Part of this project includes reviewing the old discussions to see what format should be used as the format has much implications. If you want to discuss, we should move this thread to CZ:Proposals/Citing CZ article by authors The one problem I have with the format above is that I think it should also include a link to the current article (but I am not sure). - Robert Badgett 19:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll think about it. I am keen to revice this too, i think it is something that really help citizendium become respected within academia and potentially helpful in getting funding for outreach/breadth aspects of research grants. I notice that the gene wiki hosted by nature genetics does have the option to cite authors in their wiki. Chris Day 19:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
To you have a link to a citation at gene wiki? Have you seen any policy they have developed

Check out the following perspectives piece from Nature Genetics. Chris Day

Great. If the exec committee seems to be sufficiently interested, I will spend some time reviewing the two prior discussions and the link you provided. is getting very creative with digital publishing. - Robert Badgett 20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
You have my backing too BobGareth Leng 20:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Found more relevant information at

Physical examination

I'd be glad to work with you; I think it would be most useful to have the discussion at the article talk page. Laughing a bit...I did make some preliminary corrections on Physical examination, including the acupuncture section and making preliminary changes to making the diagnosis-treatment separation clearer in acupuncture. Now, I have to remember where I did a referenced writeup to pulse diagnosis...Traditional Chinese Medicine?

There are nuanced difference between general pulse-taking to take a measurement, TCM pulse palpation, and a cardiologist using a Doppler stethoscope/monitor on peripheral circulation. Howard C. Berkowitz 16:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

HF meds

stage A now includes a lot of people in the new guidelines.

check out this cool table:

from: Tom Kelly 23:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I moved this discussion to talk:Heart failure. - Robert Badgett 02:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

randomized controlled trial

As Hayford mentioned on my talk page, instructions for nominating an article for approval are at CZ:Approval Process. In particular, you'll want this section. Please also remember the rules about who may approve an article; if you need help finding other editors to support the nomination, just let me know. --Joe Quick 01:32, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Gareth comes to mind. D. Matt Innis 03:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Requests for Editorship

Robert, are you by any chance a member of the group that reviews requests for editorship? If not, do you know who is? Other than Larry who seems to be on a leave of absence or vacation? Milton Beychok 22:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I am afraid I have no clue. Would you like me to ask around? - Robert Badgett 01:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Medical templates

How many of the medical templates are still used?
Someone - I forget who - said that they should all be replaced by {{CZMed}}. Is this so? If so, shall I do it with my bot?
Caesar Schinas 17:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

There are a number of templates we use in medicine. However, you are referring specifically to the {{CZMed}} template which subsumes {{tl|DailyMed, {{MedMaster}}, and {{DrugBank}}. If you see a page that has all three of these together, they should be replaced with {{CZMed}}; if you have a page with any one/two/three of these three, they should be replaced with {{CZMed}}. I am asking User:David_E._Volk to verify this recommendation as well. - Robert Badgett 17:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
If the CZMed template works completely independently of the other 3 templates, then those templates could be removed from our template space. Robert, is that the case, or does CZMed "call up" the other three templates and concatenate the data from each? Caesar, is it possible to replace all three on a page without replacing CZMed into the page 3 times? The templates may have a variable added that is different from the page name, but not most of the time, so this would have to thought of in your replacement script. You also need to beware the empty edit! If you find the CZMed template in place, don't resave the page, but back out. David E. Volk 18:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yikes you are right - {{CZMed}} calls the other three so we cannot delete the other three at this point. If you think best, I can rewrite {{CZMed}} so it does all its own work and does not call the other three templates. - Robert Badgett 18:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it is possible to replace any combination of them occurring together by a single instance of {{CZMed}}, and no, the page would not be resaved if no change was made. And yes, before deleting the others they would have to be integrated into CZMed, which would be pretty easy.
What about other medical templates? I know there are others, but are they being replaced too, or do they still stand alone?
Caesar Schinas 05:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I have substituted DailyMed, MedMaster, and DrugBank into CZMed, and will now mark them as deprecated to warn people not to add them to new articles.
What about the other medical templates at CZ:Templates#External links?
Caesar Schinas 09:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the good work on consolidating the drug templates. We do use other templates:

  1. {{Cite_journal}}. I edited this one recently to display PMC links. While my edits work, my code was not well done technically.
  2. {{MeSH}}. I use this to start most all medical pages as it links to canonical definitions of medical terms.
  3. pubmed replace string. I have no idea how this one works as it does not seem to be a true template but uses a regular expression to find all possible PMIDs on our pages and convert to hyperlinks.
  4. There are also various infoboxes that I should use more than I do. One is Template:Wiki/tl

- Robert Badgett 18:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

National Library of Medicine as a source for definitions

Hi Robert,

can you give me a hint to their gloassary that you seem to be using when creating stubs and definitions here? Thank you! --Daniel Mietchen 10:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Found the answer in the previous discussion. The reason I ask is that I find it disturbing to have so many definitions (or even one, for that matter) end with "(National Library of Medicine)". However, I agree that the source should be acknowledged, and think a good way to achieve this is precisely via {{MeSH}} that you discussed above, e.g. like this. What do you think? --Daniel Mietchen 10:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Your proposal seems ok to me, but maybe the slugline could be more succinct. Could "Anonymous, (2009) (English)." be dropped so that only used is "Consciousness. Medical Subject Headings. U.S. National Library of Medicine"? - Robert Badgett 23:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Citizendium charter drafting commitee nomination

Hi Robert, You've been nominated by a fellow Citizendium member to be a candidate for election to the Citizendium charter drafting committee.

If you haven't been following the discussion in the forums, we're getting ready to establish a charter for Citizendium that outlines the project's goals, ideals, and basic structure. To get the process moving, we put together a plan for electing a group of Citizens to compose a draft of the charter, which will then be submitted for community review. You can find more about the plan here.

You've been nominated by another Citizen to be a candidate for election to that committee. The next step is up to you: you may either accept or decline the nomination by going here and following the instructions at the top of the page.

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Charter drafting candidacy

Hi Robert,

Thanks for accepting your nomination to be a candidate for election to the drafting committee for the Citizendium charter.

If you'd like, there is a provision in the plan that provides a place for you to compose a position statement. You are not required to do this in order to be a candidate for election to the committee, but it would be helpful to others during the voting period. Even if you don't compose a statement before the election period concludes, should you be elected it might be helpful for other members of the committee to know what you feel are the most important issues to address with the draft. You can find a red link to the page where you can write your statement here, along with instructions for doing so.

If you have any questions, just let me know. --Joe Quick 19:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Forgotten page?

Hi Robert, I came across Minnesota Colon Cancer Control Study (PMID 7580661). It contains a dead link and looks as if your forgot about it. Could you have a look?--Paul Wormer 10:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Y:es I forgot about this. I made some changes and linked it. - Robert Badgett 14:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi Robert, I noticed that you avoid the {{subpages}} template and am wondering why. Given the number of articles you have started here, it is not easy to follow up after you to bring the format in line with the rest of CZ. I have recently remodeled a bit the CZ:Start Article page, so as to facilitate adoption of the subpages system. I would like to ask you to use it for the next few articles you create, and to provide feedback on whether that is too intruding for people who prefer not to have the template in the articles they start. Thanks! --Daniel Mietchen 14:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Apologies. Yes I avoid it because it slows down starting new pages. I will try the new version. - Robert Badgett 14:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Tried it. It really slows the new page process down, especially on a day like today when the server is very slow. Could it be further automated? For example, the template should be able to pick up the page name automatically and the creation of the talk page seems could be automated as well. - Robert Badgett 15:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Robert, if it slows down the process for you then maybe just add the subpages template at the top of the article and we can follow along and add the metadata. It might be useful if you add the workgroups you think are appropriate too, Chris Day 15:43, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Can a link to be made from the template? - Robert Badgett 15:48, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
That would be difficult the way it is designed now, but CZ:Workgroups is linked from the left sidebar. --Daniel Mietchen 00:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Just noticed you had plan for....

Template:2x2-rx I'm not sure what it is but if you need help getting it coded I might be able to get something basic started. Chris Day 16:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the contact. I had plans for a template for evidence tables for treatment (rx) and separate template for diagnosis (dx). However, I found the format I needed varied too much so I placed skeletons at For example, today I used the skeleton to make I should probably delete Template:2x2-rx - Robert Badgett 16:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Hayford already did the deletion honors for that template. The evidence table looks great. Chris Day 17:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Definitions based on MeSH

Hi Robert, please take a look at this forum thread, along with {{DefMeSH}}, and comment. Thanks! --Daniel Mietchen 23:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

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Erythrocyte count

Have you looked at complete blood count, where this is covered to some extent? Perhaps you might want to expand or redirect there, since there is interpretive material and discussion of RBC indices. Howard C. Berkowitz 09:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I made some edits at complete blood count to distinguish the terms. Seem ok? - Robert Badgett 17:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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Robert, excellent! It will be great to have you on board that article as an approving editor. There are three editors working on that article (incuding yourself), so you might well be able to make it a three editor approval if you can get all three to agree on a particular version. Or, if you don't make any significant content edits, you can approve it yourself. Either way, if you need any help, let me know. All you have to do is go to the metadata page and put your name in the ToApprove section along with a copy of the page version which you approve and the date that it will be approved if no changes are made. Of course, you can change the version as improvements are made (and the date) as you discuss the article on the talk page. I'll help you along the way. Good luck! D. Matt Innis 02:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Re nominating Alcmaeon

Robert, to nominate Alcmeon for approval, you need to add your user name (4 ~) on the article's metadata page (click the yellow "M" circle on the Main Article banner to get the page.

In editing the metadata page, scroll down to "Required for ToAprove template", and put your username next the first open 'ToA Editor' row. Save page.

Thanks for reviewing and contributing to Alcmaeon. Anthony.Sebastian 15:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletions

Hi Robert,

If you have a page that you need the constabulary to delete, simply copy and paste the following code to the top of the article you wish to be deleted and specify the reason in place of REASON.


do not use {{speedydelete|REASON|~~~~}} (without the 'noinclude'), as this may cause problems with templates and pages that build upon them, especially definitions and related articles. Alternatively, you can use

<{{subst:fast del|REASON|~~~~}}>

to the same end.

Regards, Anton Sweeney 19:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Randomized controlled trial

Robert, I just realized that there are now three editors approving this article. Are you ready to put a date in the template? D. Matt Innis 00:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but not sure how. - Robert Badgett 14:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Oops, Robert, I dropped the ball again here! I missed this post... but, did you see the last post on the discussion page concerning the last sentence in the lead? Now that we have an Approval Manager, he will help us stay tuned! D. Matt Innis 00:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I am not seeing anything new at Talk:Randomized_controlled_trial. - Robert Badgett 03:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
It seems like the only issue that is outstanding is the dead-end sentence David Yamakuchi spotted in the last paragraph of the opening. -Joe Quick 05:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Anything happening on this? -- Joe Quick (Approval Manager) 15:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Robert, you didn't see David's comments because the link to the talk page (rather the redirect on it) led to an old version. The end of the introduction needs fixing (indeed, the incomplete sentence is already in the approved version). Moreover, according to the new approval process you may (and probably should) put a short comment on the changes on Randomized controlled trial/Approval#Robert Badgett --Peter Schmitt 12:04, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I removed the bad paragraph in the introduction. It duplicated later content. Since the last approval, the changes are a collection of unrelated updates based on emerging research on trial methodology.

Is the approval process different? I found the old process very cumbersome I was never able to remember the steps required for approval and how to edit what meta-data. - Robert Badgett

Did you receive email I sent you

Hi Robert. I sent you an email using the "email this user" feature. Did you receive it? Dan Nessett 21:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Did not receive it at - Robert Badgett 03:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Physical activity

Hi Robert, the opening paragraph of this article says "physical activity is the physical activity of a human or an animal as a behavioral phenomenon". The WHO define physical activity as "any bodily movement produced by skeletal muscles that requires energy expenditure", which sounds to me like it may be a better definition for a general article on physical activity. What do you think? David Finn 18:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Alcmaeon of Croton

Hi Robert, Anthony Sebastian requested that I moved this article to make way for other Alcmaeon's via a disambiguation page. I obliged his request before realizing that you were the editor that approved the page. Could I beg your retroactive approval of this maneuver? If not, I will certainly move it back! D. Matt Innis 04:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Certainly. No problem making the move. - Robert Badgett 15:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Re-Approval of Randomized controlled trial Feb 2012

Robert, the re-approval of Randomized controlled trial now complete. Congratulations on a fine piece of work.   Anthony.Sebastian 21:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I wish the re-approval process was more intuitive. - Robert Badgett 22:16, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hi - we are softly relaunching this project and are looking for former contributors to return - please do! John Stephenson (talk) 16:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Write-a-Thon this weekend

This Sunday, we're getting together on the wiki for the first time in a decade to create and edit articles loosely themed on planets, stars, galaxies and cosmic entities - or anything that involves words like those! For more information, see What's a Write-a-thon? etc. Hope to see you there! John Stephenson (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


Hi, Robert - we have started an article on COVID-19 and are looking for health-sciences specialists to contribute to it if you have the time. Thanks! John Stephenson (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)