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This one, too? [1] --Matt Innis (Talk) 16:43, 16 September 2007 (CDT)


Image display problem you raised

I'm the one who uploaded the Guilt in U.S. law images you complained of on its talk page. (I'm also the one who created them and will modify their content if/when I decide to.) CZ's computer won't let me upload JPGs, so I can't convert them -- by e-mail on 5/30/07 Constable Zach Pruckowski told me other users had the same problem and to upload PNGs instead of JPGs. After I put them up the first time, they were too wide, and I asked for someone to scale them properly, and User John Stephenson did, but then they were black rectangles I couldn't view. There's a discussion of it, dated 8/2/07, on his talk page (harking back to a discussion of black rectangles on the Talk:Main Page that you may access thru 7/23&24/07 entries on my talk page). I was away for about six weeks, and when I got back no one had fixed the problem, so I did it myself, by reverting from black boxes to the figures and then reducing their size so their full width fits on my monitor screen.

You are welcome to manipulate those images any way you want, as long as I can still view them, so I can modify their content if I want to. Because I only wrote the article, and created the figures, because Larry Sanger suggested it (at Talk:Innocence Project), I feel responsible for the content of the article, and the format is immaterial to me as long as it doesn't keep me from getting to the content. -- k. kay 17:50, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

electron orbitals

Robert how are these supposed to be written into the chem info box. i just did a partial fix in the Polonium article to stop the info box width being forced wide. While the width seems correct I don't think the resulting notation is correct. Can you take a look at it and do it correctly. Thanks. Chris Day (talk) 20:21, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

The article I need is....

Ain't Jus' Any Ole Dawgs by Dr. Sally Reed. Bloodlines Magazine Jan./Feb 1992.

I have attempted to e-mail the United Kennel Club (publisher) Kentucky, I think, to no avail.

To the best of my knowledge, Bloodlines Magazine is not available in Australia. It's only available in a few libraries in the US, but maybe one near you?

I'd love to read this, if this can be arranged. Aleta Curry 21:30, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

All's good

Thanks, Matt Innis (Talk) 21:35, 29 September 2007 (CDT)

Do you have an email address in "my preferences" above? --Matt Innis (Talk) 21:39, 29 September 2007 (CDT)

Yes. --Robert W King 21:40, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
Says verified on 6 April 2007.
When I try to email you, it says no valid email on file... does yours have a hyphen in it? Or anything that might make it invalid? --Matt Innis (Talk) 21:44, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
It has two "."s to seperate first middle and last...
That might be it, but I also see that it says "This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users." Check to see if you have "Enable other users to email me" checked at the bottom of the page. --Matt Innis (Talk) 21:47, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
I just enabled it.
Now All's Gooood! --Matt Innis (Talk) 21:59, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
Hehe, back at ya, Eye-gor!--Matt Innis (Talk) 22:05, 29 September 2007 (CDT)

Japanese article

Hehe yepp. I'm not that into CZ though :-) and of course I rarely use school computer to access it. Yi Zhe Wu 21:09, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

That poor lil dog that's always accused of biting people

Saw your note. Can you reply at Talk:Rottweiler#High priority? Thanks! Aleta Curry 17:28, 11 October 2007 (CDT)


Robert, thanks for your observation on the Bailey article. I've followed your implicit suggestion and radically reduced the number of quotations and made the whole article much tighter. James Davis 10:55, 12 October 2007 (CDT)


Hello, Robert. Since you ask...!...I reckon you made a valiant attempt to improve on a sloppy draft which had already doomed itself. And also that this is a case where Wikipedia is impressive. What do you say to starting from there? Robert Thorpe 16:29, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

I prefer not to start from wikipedia; I avoid it at all cost. In my opinion it is a greater credit to ourselves if we begin an article anew, even if it's not as thorough (from the start). I find more satisfaction in it. --Robert W King 16:33, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
That's the style. I think I'll let you develop it for a bit, then... Robert Thorpe 16:51, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Don't worry, I do understand you. I've started a few articles here without looking at WP, so believe me I buy into the ethos. But, faced with the daunting task of developing this article, inertia overwhelms: there are more enjoyable things to do here. I'm too old to be writing assignments. That said, I'll be delighted to help with specifics at any stage. Robert Thorpe 09:40, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
I totally appreciate your stance ;). I suppose one man's coffee is another man's tea, chai, vinegar... I'm inventing a new "old saying". I am sure you see where this is going. --Robert W King 09:56, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
That's fine - Robert Thorpe 14:10, 13 October 2007 (CDT)


... your weekend! I'm not sure what you do for stress relief, but I like camping.. it's just getting cool enough for a nice hike ;-) Matt Innis (Talk) 23:02, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

I've been waiting for a good opportunity to test out some TF2. --Robert W King 23:28, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
TF2, the game? That would stress me out!!! But then that just shows my age :-) Matt Innis (Talk) 23:43, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

I need a template designed

Robert, I would like to have a template made for viruses. They something like that on WP. It would include things like Family: Genus: Sero-Complex: and Species: or something like that, in a box on the right hand side of the page. CZ also has something like this for chemical elements. Do you have the know-how to make something like this for me? So far, we have West Nile virus and Dengue fever pages that could use this. I would like to make a template for viruses before doing much more work on this catagory.

Thanks, David E. Volk 14:55, 16 October 2007 (CDT)

Virus taxonomy box, trying it alone first

Just got your message. I am trying to make one myself by doing a little reading and cluging off of the chem infobox. I'll write back for suggestions later. Thanks, David E. Volk 17:10, 16 October 2007 (CDT)

¡Me llamo José Rapido!

Actually, the name comes from my Dutch ancestors. My great great grandfather was named Wilhelmus Kvik when he got off the boat in New York but the immigration officials at Ellis Island decided that he would be named William Quick now that he was in the U.S. Joe Quick 22:22, 16 October 2007 (CDT)

chem infobox -radio isotopes?

Have you considered a spot to list radio-active isotopes?

I would put it underneath the hazards, and call it radio-isotopes. Then we could input the isotopes using superscripts like

3H for titritium, as an example, on the proton(hydrogen) element page.

Do you want anything else, as far as context goes? Electron config, anything? --Robert W King 12:59, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Actually, lets make two catagories, "stable-isotopes" for all elements, and "radio-isotopes" for those elements that have them. We might use a flag like radio=yes/no; then display the radio-isotope heading and include radio-isotopes=3H

We might also put in gyromagnetic ratios and other nuclear parameters. David E. Volk 13:04, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

I'll get on it today. I appreciate your input greatly as it's (unfortunately) the only input I've had on the chem infobox to the date! --Robert W King 13:08, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Disregard previous moronic statement regarding deuterium and tritium not being NMR active! had brain freeze for a moment.

this site ( shows a periodic table with the NMR active nuclei, i.e. those with nuclear spin. Note that 18O has a nuclear spin of -5/2, for example. Practically speaking, it means it sucks for nuclear magnetic resonance. In generally, if both the number of protons and the number of neutrons are equal numbers, then nuclear spin=0. Sensitivity (proportional to gyromagnetic ratio) is maybe too much for your box. Let's stick with nuclear spin? David E. Volk 13:36, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Honestly, whatever you think would be worthy of being inclusive but doesn't end up "messy" or "overloaded". --Robert W King 13:41, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

I just left a note on Oxygen:Talk asking Paul if he thought a separate isotope_infobox might be more useful. Some of the nuclei are going to have > a dozen isotopes and that could get messy. In Oxygen, you can see that Paul has basically made a list showing 3 oxygen isotopes with masses and natural abundances, so we could expand into a separate isotope infobox and keep things neat and tidy. David E. Volk 13:48, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

crane flies

Robert, the software won't let *me* move the image, but I moved everything else. You should be able to upload again... will that work? --Matt Innis (Talk) 19:41, 18 October 2007 (CDT)


Fire testpage

Please go ahead with the testing, and leave it up to the editors to argue with Larry about it. It will be much easier to discuss it with real info...--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 18:09, 21 October 2007 (CDT)


Robert: Pardon my interloping and changing the approach to 'water'. You should feel free to undo and/or change it any way you see fit. Consider it only a suggestion. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 23:07, 22 October 2007 (CDT)


Robert - yes, I mean that index.php is in several places on the server. Did you have a question about something on the server? Eric M Gearhart

Photos and things

Hi again Robert,

Some fine day (literally--like with bright sunshine) when I have some time, I'd like to upload some flower pictures to liven up the flower article. Now, I noticed on someone's page that Stephen has a gallery thingy. I honestly can't spare the time right now to figure out how it works and I don't know what it looks like, but it sounds intriguing. WP has a lovely thing that changes the flower picture every second or so, like a fast slide show. I'd like that, or a montage or something.

If that's something you would be able to/interested in deal with, drop me a line and I'll let you know when up uploading. If not, just ignore this--no harm, no foul.

Aleta Curry 15:11, 31 October 2007 (CDT)

new tennis template, a quickie

Hi! Would it be possible for you and/or Chris to spend 5 minutes (or less) designing a *very* simple template that we could insert between the existing templates at Famous tennis players? Right now I'm alphabetizing the list so that it starts with Austin, Borotra, Brugnon, and Budge. Next up will be Casey. What I'd like would be a simple template that I could stick in between Budge and Casey, say. All I want to then put into the new template would be something like: "Bob Cane, American, September 23, 1940—December 13, 2005" In other words, we could take all of those other players who are listed below the players in the tables and put them into some sort of order amongst the tabled players. Many thanks for considering this! Hayford Peirce 17:25, 4 November 2007 (CST)

I don't understand why you can't do this already? --Robert W King 17:45, 4 November 2007 (CST)
If I just try to insert a line between two existing table entries, one of which ends with }} and the next one that begins with {{, the new line is inserted into the bottom of the Davis Cup info box or the Trivia box, whichever is the last item in the top table. If I try putting brackets around the new line, then that just shows as a red-linked Template.
Do you have a demonstration so I can see? --Robert W King 19:41, 4 November 2007 (CST)
Sure, I just stuck Martin Mulligan in between the two top entries. As you can see, it ends up in the Triva box of William Renshaw.Hayford Peirce 19:46, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Metadata clean up

Thanks! I saw that you had done that -- but I didn't realize that it had to be done. Now I know what to do, however.

Now there's another problem that I can't resolve -- the damn article isn't listed in the Foodscience Workgroup under the P's -- it's way down at the bottom. I know that it has something to do with the ABC category in the Metadata (or I think it does) but I can't get it to work.... Hayford Peirce 13:16, 7 November 2007 (CST)
It still doesn't sort correctly, even though I put the name of the title next to the "abc" in the Metadata.... Hayford Peirce 15:53, 7 November 2007 (CST)
I fixed it by removing the comma. Hayford Peirce 16:20, 7 November 2007 (CST)

You're too fast for me ;)

Seems like whenever I start adding subpages (on the article page first) in the wrong order, somebody beats me to most of them. I'm not complaining, mind you, but it's disconcerting to see an edit conflict when you only just opened the page ten seconds ago. :-\ --Joe Quick 21:57, 7 November 2007 (CST)

Fastest subpagerer in the east. --Robert W King 21:58, 7 November 2007 (CST)

Re: aircraft terminology

See the "terminology" and "types" sections of airship. Dan Nachbar 22:20, 7 November 2007 (CST)

Cricket infobox

It's already there. Just go to Michael Holding and start editing - Ro Thorpe 07:45, 8 November 2007 (CST)

subpages9 to subpages

Good job, i saw you chugging through the list. Thanks Chris Day (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2007 (CST)

I think I did over 300 edits. I know there are a little over 200-250 left. --Robert W King 20:26, 13 November 2007 (CST)
Sorry to barge in--okay, no I'm not, really--am I supposed to be putting "subpages" on top of every single page, not just main article, talk and approval? Because I've been making catalogs all over the place and not doing that. Mon bad. Aleta Curry 22:58, 13 November 2007 (CST)

Marketing materials

It was noted that you may be the person to talk to regarding this discussion about marketing stuff?
--Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér 00:59, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Can do, what do you have in mind? --Robert W King 01:10, 15 November 2007 (CST)
Don't know if I can say much more than I have... I would just like to put together some print material to promote Citizendium. --Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér 01:28, 16 November 2007 (CST)
What kind of print materials? What kind of theme? Funny or not? What format? --Robert W King 11:22, 16 November 2007 (CST)

Couldn't wait

CZ:Humor :-) Stephen Ewen 01:59, 15 November 2007 (CST)

my sig

testing three tildes D. Matt Innis

testing four tildes D. Matt Innis 20:11, 16 November 2007 (CST) --Robert W King 19:13, 16 November 2007 (CST)


Hi Robert, are you possibly using a bot, too? --Larry Sanger 12:51, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Beep. Boop. Actually no, I'm just fast and systematic. Once I develop a "mental" algorithm I'm capable of mindlessly repeating it until I get tired of it. My personality lets me do these tasks, unfortunately, even though my mind is capable of much more. --Robert W King 12:56, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Tea set?

I don't see it. AND my watchlist was acting up. Don't see anything out of the ordinary--Whadididonow? Aleta Curry 20:55, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Vanderlip and Metadata

Robert, I was trying to learn this metadata thing on the Frank A. Vanderlip article, but you seem to know what's going on with it. Did I fill it out right? Russell D. Jones 14:05, 19 November 2007 (CST)


Hey Robert, thanks for sorting out the subpages9 issues on some of my pages - I thought I'd return the favour and dive into some of the 'unchecklisted articles'. How would you categorise Albert Eckstein - we don't seem to have a Medicine workgroup? --Russ McGinn 08:07, 22 November 2007 (CST)

Actually I've found it - Health Arts and Health Sciences seem to be in the parlance of our time. --Russ McGinn 05:08, 23 November 2007 (CST)


CZ:Media_Assets_Workgroup/Development. Stephen Ewen 18:55, 3 December 2007 (CST)

element box vs chem box

Robert, here is what I posted to the Chem workgroup page in case you missed it. Any thoughts?

propose new element_infobox and chem_infobox

Our current Chem_Infobox is in fact really an Element_Infobox and is not really appropriate for any chemicals, so pages like Acetone have no place to put information. I propose that we move the Chem_InfoBox to Element_Infobox now while we have so few actual articles about the elements, and then create a new Chem_Infobox that would be appropriate for all chemical compounds. David E. Volk 13:07, 6 December 2007 (CST)

Retrieved from ""

problem with Phosphorus cluster image?

Robert, could you look at my Phosphorus cluster? At the top of all of the pages I see a link for "Image:something or other" that is out of place by the tabs for the pages. My previous attempts starting with subpages have gone well, so I don't know how to fix the current little problem. Thanks David E. Volk 16:56, 6 December 2007 (CST)

Thanks, I just knew is was going to be obvious to you but not me! David E. Volk 17:03, 6 December 2007 (CST)

About subpages....

I remember sometime back on the forums you asked a question about whether every single topic warranted subpages. Do you recall if this was ever decided once and for all? I just asked Chris this, too. And I've just realised that it's probably some ungodly wee hour of the morning where you are. No wonder it's all so quiet around here.... Aleta Curry 21:21, 11 December 2007 (CST)

Fact template

It should be stated it explicitly. One of the biggest problems that I have with CZ, and Larry is aware of it, is that rather than being "the world's most trusted knowledge base", CZ is, at this point, fundamentally anecdotal and far from scholarly. --Michael J. Formica 07:34, 13 December 2007 (CST)

portuguese piggy

Portuguese roast suckling pig (leitão assado) is the main article. It's such an unwieldly title that I figured we needed a lot of redirects to find it.... Hayford Peirce 13:06, 15 December 2007 (CST)

Brief history of timekeeping


I have noticed you just added this new section to the article wristwatch. In my opinion, this section is completely out of scope. You could use the text of this section to create or complete a more general article about timekeeping. --Patrice Gross 16:40, 15 December 2007 (CST)

see the talk page of wristwatch ;). --Robert W King 16:42, 15 December 2007 (CST)

Re 'wiki-converting'

Robert: Regarding your volunteering to 'wiki-convert' word-processor files from subscribers, please see: For tracking, use section with your name as title. --User_talk:Anthony.Sebastian


Are you a constable now or did you just get delete privileges to take care of the "unused" pages? --Joe Quick 20:56, 22 December 2007 (CST)

I'm working to take care of orphaned pages and to clean up the template-cruft over at CZ:Templates --Robert W King 20:56, 22 December 2007 (CST)

Subpagination work

Thanks for all your subpagination work lately, Robert! --Larry Sanger

You're welcome ;). Does this mean we can have one of the forms extensions now so I can create a new metadata wizard and enchance the media upload wizard tool for usability? --Robert W King 11:19, 23 December 2007 (CST)

Sure, as far as I'm concerned, but it sounded to me like Greg was (rightly) concerned about security issues. Have you found out which one? Have you actually confirmed that it's actually possible? I studied this myself a fair bit and I was intrigued but not entirely convinced it is possible. I'm very sure some snazzy new tools *are* possible, anyway. Can you answer these questions in a brief e-mail that I can talk to Greg about? --Larry Sanger 12:59, 23 December 2007 (CST)


That's me. I've left a note for you on the Arthur Wardle talk page - Ro Thorpe 15:51, 27 December 2007 (CST)


"Gun-wielding alcoholic next door"???!! Australia's looking good, ain't it? Oh, wait--we've got those, too.... Aleta Curry 22:00, 29 December 2007 (CST)

Abusive-gun-wielding-alcoholic-boyfriend who lives in the condo next to me. --Robert W King 22:01, 29 December 2007 (CST)
Jeepers! Not yours, I hope? Time for a new boyfriend!! Aleta Curry 22:07, 29 December 2007 (CST)
No, I am a heterosexual. The despute was between a boyfriend and I presume now an ex-girlfriend. --Robert W King 22:27, 29 December 2007 (CST)
Okay, making mistakes all over the place here, me. I'm going away now.... Aleta Curry 00:51, 30 December 2007 (CST)

Good show!

You little powerhouse, you!


a) Article of the month bowling, a fine read and

b) The newsletter

[With Aussie accent] Good on ya, mate!

Aleta Curry 17:44, 1 January 2008 (CST)

The Write-A-Thon

OK cool... I hadn't realized it was rescheduled Eric M Gearhart

Template:Metal Gear series =

Please feel free to delete the template. I'll remove the template from the articles it's in (using subst), but I can't delete it myself, as I'm not an editor/constable. Thanks. Oliver Smith 10:37, 8 January 2008 (CST)

Thanks Robert



Hi Rob, I've been away to long and noticed there have been some wikimedia changes. I see that the Metadata template now sorts to the User subpage default instead of the template default. Do you know when this started happening? Have you noticed any other strange things that started about the same time? Chris Day (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2008 (CST)


Robert: Thanks for the heads up. Forgive me...Wikipedia hangover! Blessings... --Michael J. Formica 12:52, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Hi. I read your answer there [3]. Do you know how to fix it? I have to leave in a few moments. --José Leonardo Andrade 10:26, 11 January 2008 (CST)

I'll fix it in a bit. Thanks! --Robert W King 10:39, 11 January 2008 (CST)


Hey Robert, I think a couple of months ago you were working on a some fliers that people could post around college campuses. Did you get anything put together? Could you email them to me? I'm trying to think through how to launch a massive recruitment campaign that would have students and professors advertising on their own campuses. --Joe Quick 01:55, 12 January 2008 (CST)

Someone should create CZ:Propaganda (call it that rather in fun!) to place all these materials. Stephen Ewen 02:52, 12 January 2008 (CST)