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==Hello==
Whirr...whir...click....Hel-lo fa-ther, thankyou for creating me. I have been running diagnostic tests on myself and concluded I am a bit poorly. Please see my user and talk pages for details.....click. --[[User:ImageUploadBot|ImageUploadBot]] 09:24, 30 November 2007 (CST)
:Stephen, I think I'm about there with the Commonist configuration. see [[User talk:ImageUploadBot]]. It seems to work ok for files under the 150Kb upload warning size and simply fails to upload anything above that. There's a bit of a loose end to translate the low german error messages, but all of the default commons, wikipedia config files all carry the same messages, so it's probably not critical. Perhaps you might have a go and we can compare notes? My next test is to see whether we actually need the bot account with Commonplace and Commonist. regards --[[User:Russ McGinn|Russ McGinn]] 19:00, 3 December 2007 (CST)
:It seems Commonplace needs either a username with no spaces or a bot account whereas Commonist works fine with standard user accounts. Could we get Larry to change the permissions for the bot account to make it a standard user to test this?--[[User:Russ McGinn|Russ McGinn]] 19:53, 3 December 2007 (CST)


::Awesome! I'll giver her a whirl soon. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:00, 3 December 2007 (CST)
==Thanks==
Thanks muchly Steve, nice to pop my head 'round the door! [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 21:15, 13 February 2008 (CST)


No go on my end.  Of course, if the developer used more normal language, it'd help tremendously.  What the @#$&* he means by "$HOME/.commonist/" is just boggling.
==Follow-up==
Thanks Stephen. I really appreciate your effort. I'll get started on the uploading tomorrow and start adding more to the article subpages as well. The sound files idea sounds excellent. [[User:Meg Ireland|Meg Ireland]] 03:11, 15 February 2008 (CST)


I am quite sure that "$HOME" means the location of the commonist-0.3.17 folder, but how to create a folder beginning with a period (.commonist) is beyond me and something Windows, at least, rejects; so he must ''mean'' but is not ''saying'' SITE.commonist, as in citizendium.commonist. ''If'' I am correct here, still no go.
==Please delete an image I uploaded==


The directions say,
Stephen, I uploaded earlier today [[:Image:Perkins Triangle Distillation Setup.png]]. The I found that the image had a flaw as well is being mis-named (it should be Perkin ... not Perkins). So I uploaded this corrected, re-named version [[:Image:Perkin Triangle Distillation Setup.png]].


#unpack lib/mwapi.jar from the unpacked binary zip into a new directory
I drew both of the above versions myself and licensed both of them as PD-new. They are similar (but far from being exactly the same) to the image we tried to upload from Commons but could not, because the Wikipedian who drew it declined to give his real name.
#look for commons.family and commons.site in this directory
#create a directory $HOME/.commonist/family
#copy commons.family to $HOME/.commonist/family/NAME.family
#copy commons.site to $HOME/.commonist/family/NAME.site
#adapt these two files.


No problem on unpacking and placing, of course, but that pesky "$HOME/.commonist/" is still the trip-up.  Also, what "adapt these files" means is not clear.
Could you please delete [[:Image:Perkins Triangle Distillation Setup.png]], which is the flawed and misnamed version? Thanks in advance. - [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:03, 16 February 2008 (CST)


So trial and error. I adapted the contents of citizendium.family and citizendium.site as you showed in the Bot talk page, but I am left to wonder about whether "adapt these files" means to ''also'' rename commons.family and commons.site to citizendium.family and citizendium.site; so I tried both, but ''neither'' way works.
:Done. I've had in the back of my mind to create a really nice 3-D image of that, but am not sure I will find the time but hope to. If you have a really large version of that image, send it to me by email so I don't have to strain as much should I find time to give it a go.  You are a pretty amazin' fellow, by the way. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:11, 16 February 2008 (CST)


I have licenses.txt adapted fine.  But the huge hangup for me is getting the program to recognize it.  The documentation states, "If $HOME/.commonist/licenses.txt exists, it overrides settings in etc/licenses.txt."  Again, ''if'' he ''means'' but is not ''saying'' SITE.commonist, as in citizendium.commonist, this thing should be whirring, but it still does not recognize the folder when I try that.
::Stephen, thanks for being so prompt. That image is 311 x 471px and if my 85-year old eyes can see it easily, your eyes should have no problem. In any event, the image as it now stands is perfectly adequate. Thanks again, - [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 12:36, 16 February 2008 (CST)


So I'm stuck. And I can promise to write some ''very clear'' directions once we get this thing going! 
==Symbols image==
Hey Stephen. There was a discussion about this on Wikipedia. Apparently the symbols are considered public domain because the symbols have existed for some considerable centuries before they were reused by members of Led Zeppelin. The exact authorship is unknown. [[User:Meg Ireland|Meg Ireland]] 16:48, 17 February 2008 (CST)


[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 23:28, 3 December 2007 (CST)
:Well, look at it from two angles.  Angle one: let's assume the individual symbols are PD.  However, ''in that combination'', a derivative work of PD materials, they ''may'' be trademarked, just as is the combination of symbols that make up "Led Zeppelin" (each letter of that name is PD, no?).  Angle two, let's assume the individual characters are not copyrightable.  That still does not mean the combination, the derivative work, is not copyrightable. 


:IF the bot was not inherently designed to run on a windows platform (it looks like it was designed more for unix; "/Home", "/etc", are common files in *nix user home directories), then what you will have to do is go into the source and replace every instance of "$HOME/.commonist" with "$HOME/commmonist"Also I'm sure $HOME on a unix account would be something like /usr/username. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 00:02, 4 December 2007 (CST)
:Anyone can take public domain materials and create a derivative work from them, and that work is copyrightable if it has sufficient originalityThe severable PD items would remain PD, but not the creative derivative work that uses them. Which is the case here?  Beats me!  And I don't think its worth researching and asking Atlantic. Hence, I don't think it wise to ''assert'' it as "public domain".  
::I don't think that's necessary Robert. Stephen, I didn't touch the licenses.txt file.-
#I downloaded '''commonist-0.3.17.zip''' from http://djini.de/software/commonist/ and then unzipped it to it's default location (make sure winzip is configured to extract with path information). In my case it extracted to C:\commonist-0.3.17.
#Browse to C:\commonist-0.3.17\bin and run the '''commonist.bat''' file. ''The first time this runs it creates the .commonist directory'' in C:\Documents and Settings\MCGINNR\.commonist (MCGINNR is my windows profile - so substitute your own).
#Shut down commonist.
#The .commonist directory only contains a subdirectory called 'cache' - create another directory called '''family''' in .commonist so that the path is C:\Documents and Settings\MCGINNR\.commonist\family
#Create the '''citizendium.family''' and '''citizendium.site''' files from the [[user talk:ImageUploadBot]] page.
#Commonist should be good to go now - just run it from the batch file in C:\commonist-0.3.17\bin
:Alternatively, you could create the .commonist directory using the command prompt (found by clicking 'start' then 'run' and then typing 'cmd'). Type the following into the command prompt:-
#cd C:\Documents and Settings\MCGINNR
#mkdir .commonist
#cd .commonist
#mkdir family
:Try that, see how you get on. You're right, the instruction are terrible! I reckon we should get the thing going over here and then send the developer a) Our .family and .site files b) A more expansive version of the license.txt file. PS. I was wondering what kind of categories I should tag my recent images with? Architecture workgroup? Taj Mahal? Russ McGinn's images? Flickr Images? Any ideas? Regards --[[User:Russ McGinn|Russ McGinn]] 04:03, 4 December 2007 (CST)


== Be bold image ==
:I added some more clarifications in the notes section of the image.


I can't believe you found a use for that. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 17:33, 3 December 2007 (CST)
:[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 19:12, 17 February 2008 (CST)


==HTMLets extension==
== Would appreciate your comments ==


See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets. Who do we talk to get extensions installed? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 00:44, 4 December 2007 (CST)
Stephen, if you have the time or the inclination, please take a look at the list of articles created on my user page. Am I overdoing it? Or does CZ think "the more, the merrier"? I would appreciate any comments you care to offer. - [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 00:16, 18 February 2008 (CST)


:Make your case on the citizendium-tools@lists.purdue.edu list and CC to bugs@citizendium.org.  What do you have in mind for this?  Two making the case are better. ;-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]]
:Have a ball, Milton. [[Image:Crystal ksmiletris.png|18px]] [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 00:20, 18 February 2008 (CST)
::the Upload wizard, the image categorization game, and anything else that comes across. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 00:56, 4 December 2007 (CST)


:::Make it, I'll second. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 01:00, 4 December 2007 (CST)
== Time cover ==
I see that Prof. Jensen has put a Time cover into the 2008 Presidential article with a justification that reads: "fair use Category Five: Book, periodical, and disc covers, and promotional posters, comic strips, editorial cartoons, and closely similar". (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/2008_United_States_presidential_election) I wasn't aware that CZ had authorized this sort of usage. I'm all for it, of course, as I have a bunch of Time covers that I would like to use in some of the articles I've worked on. As I recall, some time ago you nixed my use of a Time cover until we tried to get authorization from Time mag. They sent us an email saying we could use it for $1000 or some such. You resent an explanation and, I think, we never got a reply.  So, what is your take on the present use? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 10:20, 18 February 2008 (CST)


==#ifexist==
:Jumping the gun, is he? See [[CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive_fair_use_policy]]. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:04, 18 February 2008 (CST)
Stephen, have you seen this at WP? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-12-03/Software_issues It concerns the #ifexist function that we use for getting the attribution tags into images - its all a bit over my head I'm afraid but looks like we should be using [[Special:Prefixindex]] instead. Regards --[[User:Russ McGinn|Russ McGinn]] 11:12, 4 December 2007 (CST)


:Yikes, let me read this carefully.... [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 11:33, 4 December 2007 (CST)
::I dunno.  You tell *me* -- I've got a bunch of Time covers just waiting to be used.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:10, 18 February 2008 (CST)


==Image:TajInteriorJawab.jpg==
:::If it were me, I'd go get after him for jumping the gun. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:18, 18 February 2008 (CST)
No problem - please delete, it's a terrible quality and uploaded before I knew the rules re anonymity - actually what the deal with [[:Image:Taj dec1.jpg]] - is "Skipthebudgie.org" ok? or should I see if I can find similar? I also need you to delete [[:Image:Tajdec1.jpg]] (uploaded as part of the commonist trials). Many thanks. --[[User:Russ McGinn|Russ McGinn]] 11:43, 4 December 2007 (CST)


:I'm right now asking someone to release a CC photo to replace.... [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 11:48, 4 December 2007 (CST)
::::I'm just an innocent bystander seeking elucidation.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:25, 18 February 2008 (CST)


::"Skipthebudgie.org" is - well, how's it look? :-)  A bet ol' Skip will let you know his name if asked. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 23:13, 4 December 2007 (CST)
:::::Stephen, I too would appreciate knowing whether I may use magazine and/or book cover images in articles, without seeking authorization from publisher. Also: If I request permission for a scientific journal article or book illustration, can I offer that it cannot be re-used by others but will only be used for the article specified.  And if so, how do I protect the illustration from re-use in an otherwise CC-by-sa article? --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 14:06, 18 February 2008 (CST)


== Flickr ==
::::See [[CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive_fair_use_policy]].  On the other matter, check out [[CZ:Upload-Wizard]], the section "From a copyright holder who has given me written permission to use his or her work".  Maybe test it out by uploading  [[Image:Testing - 1, 2, 3,4.jpg]].  Things get really well labeled to avoid CC-by-sa confusion there.  :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 14:34, 18 February 2008 (CST)


Can we use any images from Flickr?  Or are there only a specific subset we can use? Specifically I was thinking [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beauty/18479703/ this might be useful] for Aleta's [[calla Lily|calla lily]] article but I can't figure out whether there is a real name for the user that uploaded it. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 01:57, 5 December 2007 (CST)
== Re [[Life/Draft]] ==


:This photo is not under a Creative Commons license, but is copyright all rights reserved; and, there is no real name.  I'll approach the flickr user to get it released under the usable terms: under a CC license of the author's choice or by permission if that fails, and the real name of the author.  Thanks for the alert. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:03, 5 December 2007 (CST)
Stephen, thanks for tidying up the images in [[Life/Draft]]. Gareth Leng happy with my responses to his long list of critiques and prepared to approve replacing [[Life]] with the draft version (see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Talk:Life/Draft#Thanks_Anthony).  I've asked Chris Day to set up the draft version for approval if he agrees with Gareth. If so, will you look in and consider adding your approval.  Thanks. --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 13:55, 18 February 2008 (CST)


::Alright, thanks for the quick reply, this is what I was expecting but just wanted to get a conformation.  So the short list is that we need a real name and the right CC license? Is this written down somewhere already?  Sorry to be lazy tracking this down. Thanks in advance :) [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 02:06, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:I can look in and add my ''encouragement'' as an author. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:57, 18 February 2008 (CST)


:::It needs to be written down more clearly, see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Special:Upload&uselang=flickr for now.  It's implicit that we can use photos by permission if freely licensed material is not available or is poor. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:14, 5 December 2007 (CST)
==CZ:Recipe==
Please have a look at: [[CZ:Proposals/Ad_hoc]] ([[CZ:Proposals/How_should_we_classify_and_index_recipes%3F]]) and please give your comments. Today is supposed to be the last day before it goes to the next step. However, there hasn't been any discussions on it. What do I do next? [[User:Supten Sarbadhikari|Supten Sarbadhikari]] 02:43, 19 February 2008 (CST)


::::That's useful, I didn't see it since i had not attempted an upload yetI look forward to trying out the new wizard! Assuming I can find a photo to upload ;) [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 02:18, 5 December 2007 (CST)
:Supten, you might use discretion and increase the period for length of discussionAt the time that proposal was initially made, no one really knew how to work the system, least of all the proposer.  A lot ''still'' aren't sure. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:48, 19 February 2008 (CST)
::Second.  Definitely.  That's only fair.  That was one of the very first proposals, and I for one still don't have my head completely around this.  [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 14:44, 19 February 2008 (CST)


== Argument brewing ==
==Hobbies==


Hi Steve--or someone else--would you please have a look at [[user_talk:Aleta Curry#dance]] and comment if you need to?  Thanks [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 13:45, 5 December 2007 (CST)
"My hobbies are...", or, "I enjoy da-da-da and ta-ta-ta as hobbies..." or "As a hobby, I do this." <code>;)</code> --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 15:10, 19 February 2008 (CST)
::I gave a short comment on your Talk page, Aleta. Probably the best way forward is to put some text there and I can offer my opinion on dealing with ethnic and cultural issues.--[[User:Martin Baldwin-Edwards|Martin Baldwin-Edwards]] 15:27, 5 December 2007 (CST)


== How come the upload wizard ==
==''Driving'' manual==
Steve, why don't you propose (and drive) another proposal on ''Driving'' proposals? :-) [[User:Supten Sarbadhikari|Supten Sarbadhikari]] 01:06, 20 February 2008 (CST)


...doesn't have a non-commercial option?  [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 18:06, 8 December 2007 (CST)
:Can you make a proposal for that first? :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 03:59, 20 February 2008 (CST)


:It does.  Read a tad more carefully. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:11, 8 December 2007 (CST)
== Deleting an article and renaming another ==


I'm looking under "I am the author" and I don't see itI'll admit to being blind.  [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 21:20, 8 December 2007 (CST)
Stephen: The following too technical for me.   


:There are two links under there. It's the second. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (CST)
I wish to delete http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:How_to_submit_articles_in_word_processor_format.


Never would have found it. Needs an explanatory note earlier. Interesting that you make those choices for people. [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 14:53, 9 December 2007 (CST)
And I wish to rename http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Email_us_an_article_in_word_processor_format using the proper naming convention for CZ: type articles.  


The advice there is grounded in facts about the field of photography.  There are '''''lots''''' of photos available out there.  If you think about it, I think you'll agree that we don't really want poorer quality photos under restrictive terms when superior photos of the same thing are readily available elsewhere.  Compare [[:Image:A_Palmatum_Dissectum_Atropurpureum.JPG|this]] with [http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Japanese+Maple&l=cc&ss=2&ct=3 these]. No one is going to care one minute of a wit to use a poorer quality photo commercially when higher quality photos that already permit it are readily available elsewhere, or when a superior photo exists under the same termsThere ''is'' a correlation among licensing and quality and all this does is recognize this fact and work with it, not create it as a fact[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 15:16, 9 December 2007 (CST)
Will you do those for me. Those involved have no disagreementThanks in advance.   


== "image" ==
I may have to change the link on Main Page after renaming http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Email_us_an_article_in_word_processor_format.  --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 19:34, 20 February 2008 (CST)


I had been wondering if that usage was clear.  "Image" in that context is not being used for its primary definition.  In fact it's #12 on the list at reference.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=image  "Interpretive representation" doesn't really do it justice, as it is a religious "image" on par with those in the Catholic Church.  Can you think of a better way to clarify this?  The only other term I can think of is "idol" but I don't like the negative connotations of that word. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 12:47, 12 December 2007 (CST)
== Well, we can't please 'em all ==
:You know, I think we're going to run into the same problem with the use of the word "cult" at [[folk saint]], which I'm currently studying up for.  The problem is that the most precise term makes use of a non-dominant or secondary definition that most people will probably not pick up on immediately. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 15:59, 12 December 2007 (CST)
::How about the word "icon" ?  Or "pictograph"? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:03, 12 December 2007 (CST)
:::"Icon" might work, but that terms refers specifically to a saint, as far as I know, so it would probably be inappropriate as the Tío isn't actually a saint.  "Pictograph" doesn't work simply because these images are statues.  The article actually uses "statue" a couple of times, but that term leaves out the functional purpose of the image.  I asked on the forums. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 16:19, 12 December 2007 (CST)


::::What do principle authors call the, uh, things we're talkin' about? [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:52, 12 December 2007 (CST)
Think maybe [[User:Yechiel Robinson|this fellow]] is having a bad day? [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 04:10, 22 February 2008 (CST)


:::::Good question.  Nash occasionally calls them "images" but never "icons" and Taussig calls them "icons" pretty often but never "images."  All authors prefer to refer to the Tío himself rather than the sculpted clay that represent him.  This improves my feelings about "icon" somewhat but that term is only a little bit better when it comes to avoiding non-primary definitions that are likely to confuse people.   
== Problem with Daniel Mietchen entry on Editors list ==
:::::I'm starting to think that the answer might be to simply wikilink the terms that might confuse so that people are clued in about their importanceThat might improve the "cult" situation too. For now, I'll go change it to "icon." --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 23:54, 12 December 2007 (CST)
Hi Stephen, [[User:Daniel Mietchen]] is incorrectly listed on the page of Editors under the "U" category and I can't seem to edit that particular pageHe tried to email the editors but was rejected when his name was not foundIs this something you can fix and correspond with Daniel regarding the fix afterwards? Many thanks. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]]


== Please intervene ==
:You can see the fix [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=User%3ADaniel_Mietchen&diff=100274419&oldid=100274329 here] - not sure how to ever automate that.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:11, 22 February 2008 (CST)


See [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Michael_J._Formica&curid=100036389&diff=100230792&oldid=100229976 this] and [[Template:Fact]]. I propose that this template is never '''ever''' to be used here at CZ. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 15:37, 12 December 2007 (CST)
Thanks Stephen! [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 13:47, 22 February 2008 (CST)


:Deleted, thanks. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 15:48, 12 December 2007 (CST)
:BTW, one can always [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Mietchen+&fulltext=Search search for someone's last name]. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 14:43, 22 February 2008 (CST)


::Then It should be stated it explicitly.  One of the biggest problems that I have with CZ, and Larry is aware of it, is that rather than being "the world's most trusted knowledge base", CZ is, at this point, fundamentally anecdotal and far from scholarly. --[[User:Michael J. Formica|Michael J. Formica]] 07:33, 13 December 2007 (CST)
I had no problem finding him on the list, but apparently the moderator of the Editor email list did. :) [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]]


::"We take a more sensible approach to citing sources. The editors we have on board actually create the sort of sources that Wikipedia cites. We do cite sources, of course, but we have a sensible approach to doing so. We cite sources because doing so helps the reader. We do not cite sources in order to settle internal disputes, or to "prove" a point to contributors. As seasoned researchers, we know that people can find sources for all sorts of ridiculous claims."[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:We_aren%27t_Wikipedia] [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 10:31, 13 December 2007 (CST)
== Buck Owens ==


:::"we know that people can find sources for all sorts of ridiculous claims" - true.  And, as an editor, I accept that the above is the position we've taken.  The situation it creates, however, rather than begging the topic addressed in the quote above, can be found here...[[Road rage/Sandbox]]. --[[User:Michael J. Formica|Michael J. Formica]] 11:18, 13 December 2007 (CST)
Can you check out this article - [[Draft:Buck Owens]].  I have no idea what's going on there. --[[User:Todd Coles|Todd Coles]] 22:25, 23 February 2008 (CST)
:It was a strange, fannish article, with many strange features that we didn't know what to do with (the original author disappeared) and we moved it into the discussion area to wait while we waited to see if anything else would happen to it. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 23:13, 23 February 2008 (CST)


::::Not sure I see the issue.  So a bunch of stuff was moved out of article space because it was unfit to go there.  ''As it should be''. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 12:38, 13 December 2007 (CST)
::Sounds like a reasonable move. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 23:14, 23 February 2008 (CST)


:::::Ah, of course not.  Thanks for your input. --[[User:Michael J. Formica|Michael J. Formica]] 16:12, 13 December 2007 (CST)
== Did I do this one right? ==


== Re 'wiki-converting' ==
The process for uploading such images seems to have become awfully complicated...
[[:Image:Bessemer_process_1889.gif]]
--[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 13:03, 25 February 2008 (CST)


Stephen: Regarding your volunteering to 'wiki-convert' word-processor files from subscribers, please see: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Wiki-converting.  For tracking, use section with your name as title. --Anthony.Sebastian 19:38, 18 December 2007 (CST)
:That's because that category of image lacks a section at the Upload Wizard, where its ''very'' easy. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:33, 25 February 2008 (CST)


== Diego Rivera ==
::Well, the upload wizard and associated process actually made the whole process much harder ''because'' it doesn't address such cases.  Will it be an option there sometime in the future?  I hope so.


I'd like to use one or more of these works by Diego Rivera in the [[Calla Lily]] article but can't figure out who, if anyone, has the rights to them: [http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_results.php?criteria=O%3AAD%3AE%3A4942&page_number=2&template_id=1&sort_order=1], [http://www.allposters.com/-sp/El-Vendedor-de-Alcatraces-Posters_i308624_.htm], [http://www.allposters.com/-sp/The-Flower-Seller-c-1942-Posters_i351722_.htm]Any ideas? --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 02:00, 19 December 2007 (CST)
::Anyway, thanks for touching things up. Did you read the permission email? They asked for the credit line to read a very specific wayAre you sure we shouldn't follow their instructions? --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 14:25, 26 February 2008 (CST)


:I'll look tomorrow, time for ZZZzzsBTW, an FYI: Mexico has the ''least liberal'' public domain laws ''in the world'': The life of the author plus '''100''' years! [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:14, 19 December 2007 (CST)
Seems like they confused a credit line with a full citation; the latter is at the image page and can be cited int he article.  And yes, plans are for a section for that upload typeIt will have the same level of automation as [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Special:Upload&&uselang=bypermission&wpUploadDescription={{Image%20notes%20bypermission%0A%7CDescription%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20=%0A%7CAuthor%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20=%0A%7CDate%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20=%0A%7CSource%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20=%0A%7CCountry%20first%20published%20in%20=%0A%7CCopyright%20holder%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20=%0A%7CNotes%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20=%0A%7COther%20versions%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20=%0A}} this] (you might try an dummy upload with it using [[:Image:Testing_-_1%2C_2%2C_3%2C4.jpg]] to check it out). [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 15:10, 26 February 2008 (CST)


::Here's the info for the first: http://www.moma.org/about_moma/site/index.html.  Given MOMA's explicit encouragement of fair use, you might consider using that image and following the pattern at [[Butler]] in the "Butlers in art" section.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:33, 19 December 2007 (CST)
== Talk links in signatures ==


:::Thanks.  I must have spent an hour searching just to find out which museum it was in.  No such luck on the other two (both of which I would prefer to this one, actually).  Are reproduction/copyright rights transferred with the transfer of the original painting?  That is, do Mexican copyright laws govern pieces donated to the MoMA by a Rockefeller?  I think a similar question came up in regard to Waldo Peirce, but I don't remember if it was ever resolved. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 02:47, 19 December 2007 (CST)
Well, I ''was'' going to ask you how to do this, but I see from a posting further up the page that this has been disabled. Sigh. Why, if you don't mind my asking - was it because people were getting excessively 'cute' with their signatures? I find that talk link very useful (as do many), so is there any chance that someday the software could be mod'd to allow just that option (as a checkbox, like "Raw signatures) - "Add link to talk page in signature", or something like that? [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 16:24, 25 February 2008 (CST)


::::Only an authoritative statement by a MOMA official would resolve this question.  HOWEVER, all indication at the website is that the copyright was transferred (sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't).  For whatever it is worth, given the museum's explicit and unusually detailed encouragement to fair use, and lack of a Terms of Use contract that binds users of the MOMA site to some stated terms unfriendly to our use of the image, ''I myself'' would not hesitate to use this particular image under fair use, in a context of commentary and criticisms of which the "Butlers in art" section at [[Butler]] gives an example. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:56, 19 December 2007 (CST)
:I was going to do something fancy too; guess the kibosh is on it. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:25, 25 February 2008 (CST)


:::::I'm actually not too worried about that imageIn fact, I wouldn't worry a whole lot about any of these because they would clearly be covered by fair use since I want to use them to illustrate Rivera's use of the flower in his art. It was meant as a more general question. That said, I just noticed that all of the images in the gallery at diegorivera.com are listed as copyright Javier Rivera no matter where the originals hang.
::Sounds like a neat idea...Feature requests can be addressed to bugs@citizendium.org and to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 16:28, 25 February 2008 (CST)


:::::I found the owner of another one: [http://www.proa.org/exhibicion/mexico/salas/rivera-03.html]. It's an individual.  We'll probably need to claim fair use for all of them.  What I don't understand is how so many sites can offer to sell me posters of these works.  I suppose we really ought to use the nude featuring Frida with an armful of calla lilies since it's so famous, but I really just don't like that one... --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 03:34, 19 December 2007 (CST)
== Approval nomination process? ==


== Szasz pic ==
Hi, could you do me a favour and take a really quick look at [[CZ_Talk:Approval_Process#Updated nomination instructions - hopefully correctly!]] (and maybe[[CZ:Approval_Process]] too) and tell me if I have correctly worked out (and documented) how the Approval nomination process works now? What was there before didn't seem to match what I was seeing out in the Wiki, so I Was Bold and went ahead and updated the instructions (thinking that if they were wrong, they'd be confusing as all getout to less technical editors). Thanks! [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 19:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)


Snazzy. Thanks! --[[User:Michael J. Formica|Michael J. Formica]] 08:08, 19 December 2007 (CST)
== CZ:RBI ==
Could you restore that? It's a guideline that was under construction. I guess I should've said something. THX! --[[User:Greg Pass|Greg Pass]] 20:08, 25 February 2008 (CST)


Hey! [[User:Robert Mack|Robert Mack]] 03:56, 20 December 2007 (CST)
:I can give you the text, but [[CZ:Proposals]] is where you would craft such a page, or else in userspace.  You might wish to get a good handle on the current system before doing something like that, however.  For example, Citizendium does not have Wikipedia-styled "guideline" pages like that, has a rules against shortcut acronyms as was posted there, the constabulary already has clear blocking and vandalism procedures, and the latter has been so negligible as to be not worth mentioning.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:17, 25 February 2008 (CST)


== Merry Christmas! ==


Say, could you go through the [[CZ:Templates]] page and identify any media-asset templates which are either redundant, obsolete (we created a LOT of them while the subpages stuff was going on), draft, or just not needed?  I've got a fair handle on organizing them but it would take hours to find out which ones fall into those categories and with any luck maybe you would be able to identify them straight up. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 20:44, 22 December 2007 (CST)
== [[Eduzendium]] ==
Hi Stephen, I haven't been participating much as of late due to the demands on new faculty. However, I am going to have my microbiology class participate in eduzendium. [[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Biol_201:_General_Microbiology| CZ:Biol_201:_General_Microbiology]]. I tried contacting various constables about facilitating the registration of my students, but received no reply. Most of the students (~55) will be registering in the next two weeks. I just want to make sure the registration process goes smoothly and that they are registered in a timely manner in order to finish the assignment by the end of april. These students will be registering with emails ending in @qc.cuny.edu I was hoping to touch base with you about this.--[[User:John J. Dennehy|John J. Dennehy]] 15:44, 27 February 2008 (CST)


== Thanks - and Happy Holidays ==
:Great, John, I will let all constables know.  Also, for your students' articles, do you wish them to be editable by anyone or only to the assigned student?  There ought be some notice atop the article in the case of the former.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:35, 27 February 2008 (CST)


Thank you Steve... it was an honor to serve. Happy Holidays! [[User:Eric M Gearhart|Eric M Gearhart]]
::good point. Only student should edit at least until the assignment is over. I'll add a notice to the template. BTW I will be suggesting this template: [[Biggius microbia]] --[[User:John J. Dennehy|John J. Dennehy]] 19:25, 27 February 2008 (CST)


Thanks for tidying up the image. Merry Christmas! ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 13:27, 24 December 2007 (CST))
== Re nominating [[Life/Draft]] for approval ==


:No prob. Use the Upload Wizard and you'll almost always have less to fill in. ;-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:43, 24 December 2007 (CST)
Stephen, the approval process (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Approval_Process) allows that three "involved" editors of an article can together nominate a draft version to replace an approved version, without an "uninvolved" editor:


::Oh, did I crop any part of the image? Wait, I didn't. I just gave the wrong link. http://flickr.com/photos/jpellgen/382235193/ Thanks for checking. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 09:06, 26 December 2007 (CST))
<blockquote>The editorial procedures remain the same as for the original approval. Either one uninvolved editor or three involved editors can call for an article to be approved. They do this by returning to the XYZ/metadata page and fill out the To-Approve section of the template again.</blockquote>


::I'm trying to change he copyright of this picture [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:The_correlation_between_the_tides_and_the_bottom_designs.png 1] to public domain. But on Japanese invasions of Korea article [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Japanese_invasions_of_Korea_%281592-1598%29 2] it shows CC name. Shouldn't it be just PD? ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 09:32, 26 December 2007 (CST))
Gareth has indicated he's prepared to approve.  If you agree, I'll see if I can figure out how to set the 'to approve' banner with our three usernames.


:::See how to fix it for next time [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template%3AThe_correlation_between_the_tides_and_the_bottom_designs.png%2Fcredit&diff=100238838&oldid=100238071 here]. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 12:27, 26 December 2007 (CST)
I'll check back here for your reesponse. --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 17:48, 27 February 2008 (CST)
::::Thanks again. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 12:45, 26 December 2007 (CST))


:::::Ah, I see what the problem wasYou can [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template%3AImage_notes_ownworkpd&diff=100238862&oldid=100226909 see it too]Thanks for pointing it out. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:02, 26 December 2007 (CST)
:Remember, I'm not an editor but a constableI can only encourage as an author.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:23, 27 February 2008 (CST)
::::::Thanks for making all the credit pages. I thought they came out automatically. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 13:03, 26 December 2007 (CST))


:::::::They ''almost'' come out automatically if you use the [[CZ:Upload-Wizard]].  It's still incomplete for a lot of stuff, though. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:05, 26 December 2007 (CST)
==Recipes again==
Please have a look at [[CZ:Proposals/Recipes_Subpage_and_Accompanying_Usage_Policy#Next_steps.3F]]. [[User:Supten Sarbadhikari|Supten Sarbadhikari]] 23:34, 27 February 2008 (CST)


== Forums pic ==
==Bonita de Klerk==
Hi, Steve,
I'm absolutely baffled by my inability to get the Forums to run my picture. I've been screwing around with this for hours now. It seems to me that in the Profile I should be able to checkmark "I have my own personal picture" and then insert http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:HP2.jpg, which is what my picture is for both my user page and for the article about me. But nothing I do will make my picture show up.  I can put in Bob Morley or any of the other pix in the category above, but not me personally.  What's going on here? Everyone else seems to have pix, even some total beginners.... (And, by the way, WHY are those other pix of Actors and Musicians allowed to be inserted!? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 21:13, 26 December 2007 (CST)
::Hey, I finally got it!  Thanks for the help -- it's still pretty recondite, I would say, for a non-expert! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 21:44, 26 December 2007 (CST)
:::Thanks for the boost. By the way, as I see here, we're allowed to have a picture of ourselves at our user page? ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 15:24, 27 December 2007 (CST))


::::Absolutely, under whatever license terms you wish. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 15:27, 27 December 2007 (CST)
My student [[User:Bonita de Klerk]] says she doesn't have a password yet so can't log in. Is that possible after two weeks?  I needed access to her account to upload part of a jointly authored article that was done by her and me - [[Palau]] so that the system will give her authorship (by the way an interesting point is that when uploading an original article if two authors have contributed to it the only way I can see to ensure this is noted is by splitting the article and letting each one upload part).  Is there any other way you can think of?  This is obviously in anticipation that some of us glory mongering credit focused academics can convince Larry to allow credit and citation :-)


== Easy image changes ==
Thanks in advance!
Yeah, I know. But it's sure cumbersome to convert *old* ones! Although I think that now that I've figured out there are really only *two* steps, I can manage the rest of my old images.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 21:27, 27 December 2007 (CST)
:Hey, WONDERFUL!! I hadn't seen that you were upgrading all those others. Wow! Grazie, danke, merci, gracias, maruru (Tahitian), THANKS! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 21:31, 27 December 2007 (CST)


== Special character icons ==
[[User:Lee R. Berger|Lee R. Berger]] 06:34, 29 February 2008 (CST)
Hey, Steve, this is *very* mysterious. I told you last night that I had *never* seen those rascally icons such as the Redirect one. So then, last night, I did see them. But now, today, as I have been editing, that line of icons is absolutely NOT there. I see a green bar across the screen that says "Special Characters" and then below that all the various language letters and things like >ref etc etc. But absolutely no icons. What on earth is going on? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:37, 29 December 2007 (CST)
:Yup. I'm really an idiot this morning!!! Geez. I'm just so used to not using them, that my eye just passes over them, just as if they were pop-ups on the Internet! Thanks -- now I'll NEVER forget where they are! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:44, 29 December 2007 (CST)


::Yep, tis amazing how our brains begin to deselect info in our environment we consider irrelevant. Of course, that our brains do this is a wonderful thing.  It's just never infallible!  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 12:51, 29 December 2007 (CST)
P.S. there are a few problems with the anthro author page - bonita's name is there twice and we seem to have an abundance of people with the surname "user" ;-)


== Formatting question ==
[[User:Lee R. Berger|Lee R. Berger]] 06:39, 29 February 2008 (CST)
A new member has created http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Philip_Marlowe_and_His_Women and I'm trying to do a little reformatting. I've succeeded with everything except the four lines of poetry near the start of the article. I want to put the title of the poem just below the text AND indented somewhat, but I'm baffled. I've taken the blockquote out, and restored it, and I've been fiddling with various other things for 15 minutes and either I can't get the indents, or I get line breaks that I don't want, or I get NO line breaks between the 4 lines of poetry or, well, other problems. I want it to look like this:


::Line one of text
==Oh Recipes!==
::Line two of text
Please have a look at [[CZ:Proposals/Recipes_Subpage_and_Accompanying_Usage_Policy#Concrete_Steps_Ahead]] and kindly do the needful. [[User:Supten Sarbadhikari|Supten Sarbadhikari]] 22:24, 2 March 2008 (CST)
::Line three of text
::Line four of text
:::''Name of the damn poem''


There are probably hidden formatting commands through the text because she imported it from some exterior file probably created with Word or some such.  Is there a way around this? Thanks! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 12:59, 29 December 2007 (CST)
== Your fair-use proposal ==
:Okie, I've seen what you've done. And I would never have figured that out! I basically just wanted to remove a lot of white space between the poetry lines and the title of poem below it. I'll take another look at what you've done and see if it is stuff I can remember for another occasion.... Thanks! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:13, 29 December 2007 (CST)


Yes, there's a tool, but I wouldn't bother her with it. There's plenty of people around to do cleanup, and it usually just takes minutes, except when there are lots of footnoted references. <S>In that case, all one has to do to go from MS Word to wikimarkup is
Hello. The proposal record for "[[CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive fair use policy|Non-comprehensive fair use policy]]", for which you are listed as driver, says that the next step (community input) was due to be completed 23 February. Could you please update the proposal record on [[CZ:Proposals/Executive]], changing your self-imposed deadline and perhaps the next step? If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask me. Your newly-appointed Proposals Manager, [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 16:24, 3 March 2008 (CST)


#Save the Word file as HTML.
==Led Zeppelin==
#Open the resulting HTML file in Notepad.
Stephen, I just want to thank you for voting for Led Zeppelin in the Draft of the Week. I never expected anyone to vote for it but I do appreciate it :) Thanks! [[User:Meg Ireland|Meg Ireland]] 17:03, 4 March 2008 (CST)
#Copy all of the text (CTL + A)
#Paste it (CTL + V) into [http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/html2wiki/ this] and press "Convert HTML to wikimarkup".
#Copy the result into the edit window for a new article and press Save.  Done.</S>


Strike all that.  As you can see at [[CZ_Talk:Wiki-converting]], the results are poor.
==Authorship and Citation==


[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:46, 29 December 2007 (CST)
Hi Stephen,
:Yep, that ain't pretty! In some ways it's like optical scanning. I once had an old novel that I had typed on lined *English* paper, which has a slightly different size from American paper. An editor wanted it in modern form. I scanned a couple of pages with the best optical software I could find -- and discovered that it took me *longer* to correct all of the scanned copy than it did for me to simply retype the damn manuscript with WordPerfectWhich I did, little by little. Took me a month, I think, but it was less aggravating than the other way. Ditto with other, shorter things I've wanted to convert.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 13:55, 29 December 2007 (CST)
 
Will you take a look at this [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals/Citing_CZ_article_by_authors]
 
[[User:Lee R. Berger|Lee R. Berger]] 01:55, 5 March 2008 (CST)
 
:Nah.  There has to be an authoritative decision about authorship for it to have, well, authority and thus meaning.  We won't ''know'' if there will really be ownership issues unless the idea is tested under a scheme traditionally noting authorship.  We should not be afraid to run that sort of pilot, I think.  I suspect that ''knol'' will push CZ to this in the longer run, particularly if the authoring students - the resume-builders themselves - are given choice of where they write.  This issue may ultimately boil down to a choice between having contributions chiefly from those for whom attribution is important or those for whom it is not.  In any regards, given the real names policy and the practical need to ''credibly'' publish to advance careers (coupled with the limited time people have to write), I personally don't see this issue as going away.  I myself worry that being cited as "an entry [ [[Stravenue]] ] on a user-generated online encyclopedia, Citizendium",[http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/227836] will not lend the project to the sort of trustworthiness that will come from, say in this case, naming a geography editor from the Univ of Arizona first and then, again say in this case, Hayford Peirce. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:14, 5 March 2008 (CST)
::Naw, it was actually my cat, Leonetta (see portrait at [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:HP2.jpg]), who did the [[Stravenue]] article. She's very good with a computer keyboard but diffident and self-effacing and wanted me to take the credit for her work. I don't know how this will effect my on-going quest for a PhD. at Harvard, however.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 09:14, 5 March 2008 (CST)
 
:::Meow. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:47, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
== CZ:Upload-Wizard ==
 
I have to say, this looks pretty spiffy. Nice job on that :) [[User:Aaron Schulz|Aaron Schulz]] 10:31, 5 March 2008 (CST)
 
:Thanks! Robert King has helped some. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 10:10, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::I'm actually thinking of changing the format again; possibly with larger icons and smaller text.  Maybe we need more, or custom icons?  Right now it still looks very "thrown together" or "web 1.0" if you will. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 10:16, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
Stephen do you think you can find icons that represent the abstractions of
*"I (as in myself)" - perhaps a silouette pointing to himself, or something like that
*"Someone else" - maybe a silouette pointing to something else
*"Reuse with few or no restrictions" - not sure on this one
*"Professional work" - not sure either.
I'm [[CZ:Upload-Wizard/Sandbox#Proposed_version|working on an improved "icon-friendly" version of the upload wizard]]. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 12:35, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
:Lookin' good!  One idea for the ''...wish people to reuse my work with few or no restrictions'' and .''..wish to upload a work of professional quality or rarity'' is to create a graphic for the one saying "Free!" and another saying "''Less'' Free".  I'll have to think about ideas for the others.... [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:45, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::Check it out now.  All I gotta do now is add more icons, <s>put the borders right</s>, and figure out that imagemap deal, unless you already know how to execute it? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 14:37, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
:::I like it!  The borders and centering needs to be made consistent, though.  Also, it might be even more clear if each major section has a viewable border.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 15:24, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::I'm not sure how to change the color of that middle line; haven't figured that out yet.  <s>Also, what do you mean by centering?  None of the text is centered.</s> (Fixed).  And when you mean each major section, do you mean the left-right, or each icon? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 15:27, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:::::Imagemap isn't working when I try to use <code><nowiki>[{{fullurl:Special:Upload|uselang=pd-old}}]</nowiki></code> --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 17:53, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::::I mean each icon/text unit when I say major section.  [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Crystal_Clear_app_kopete.png This icon] could be adapted by changing what appears in the textbox for the two types of self-released uploads. I'm not sure how to deal with Imagemap, perhaps just use the raw URL? [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:57, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:::::::Using the raw url doesn't work either!!
[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Crystal_Clear_app_ksysv.png This might be adapted] for the own release upload type.  For one you make the green bright, for the less free you make the yellow bright.  If need be, images of the icons with the text can be made and imagemap used that way. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:02, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
:see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ImageMap#Special_chars_in_external_url and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11504 They say fixed, but I claim either we have an outdated version of imagemap or it's B.S. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 18:33, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
Do the URL's work if you substitute unicode? See [http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/html/topics/urlencoding.htm this.] [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:47, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:I tried %26 which is & but it wouldn't take it.  You give it a shot, maybe I'm trying something wrong.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 18:54, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
::Sounds like you've done everything right and have just run up against that bug.  We should probably pester bugs to apply [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ImageMap#Special_chars_in_external_url this patch].  That'll fix it.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:01, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:::See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Ampersand_.28.26.29_problem [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:25, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::Who do we yell at? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 21:15, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
:::::Our own bugs people to apply that patch/update to the ImageMap extension. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:04, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::::::I emailed the bugs people, and CC'd you on it.  I wonder if I should have cc'd Larry <!-- the overseer--> also. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 11:13, 7 March 2008 (CST)
:::::Meanwhile, could {{Tl|Plainlink}} serve as a workaround?  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 01:06, 8 March 2008 (CST)
::::::{{Tl|Plainlink}} just provides a link in curly braces, doesn't it? I'm not sure how you would apply it? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 07:44, 8 March 2008 (CST)
 
== On the plus side ==
 
[[User:Robert_W_King/Sandbox#Timeline_test|My long-wished timeline template is shaping up!]] --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:05, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:You need to look at it in Firefox. let me know if you need a screenshot of the display issue I am seeing. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:35, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
::Are you seeing the stem just in the wrong place?  If that's all, then I'm not as worried as I was seconds ago before I looked.. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 17:36, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
[[Image:Stem-in-wrong-place-inFf-test-image.jpg]]
:I can fix that, but hungry first. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 17:45, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
::I think I done fix 'er upped! --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 19:12, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
 
::Indeed!  Looks good in IE, too. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 19:21, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== FYI: feedback proposal ==
 
It just occurred to me that I should point you to [[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals/Enable_external_feedback | feedback proposal]] in case you haven't noticed it and want to fill in why you think feedback should be on approved articles only. [[User:Warren Schudy|Warren Schudy]] 00:52, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
==Credit for adapted diagrams--question==


== OpenOffice for wikiconverting? ==
Hi Stephen, in my book you're one of the go-to guys on images and citations but I'm not sure if you check the forums anymore.


The tool Zach pointed to is very poor at this point, see [[CZ Talk:Wiki-converting]].  I'll try to run tests with various tools to find the best. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 13:48, 29 December 2007 (CST)
If I wanted to create a diagram or illustration in Illustrator that was an adaptation of a well-known diagram (for example, Maslow's hierarchy of needs--basically a needs pyramid), how would I go about citing the original image? My work would be a derivative, but clearly I did not come up with the concept of the hierarchy of needs myself. Would an 'adapted from (reference)' suffice?


:Steven: OpenOffice 2.3 claims its ‘writer’ component can save to MediaWiki format.  See: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/New_Features_2.3#Chart
Thanks, appreciate your help. [[User:Louise Valmoria|Louise Valmoria]] 02:49, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] --Anthony.Sebastian 17:18, 29 December 2007 (CST)


P.S. Why does Anthony.Sebastian 17:18, 29 December 2007 (CST) or --Anthony.Sebastian 17:18, 29 December 2007 (CST) NOT show link for me? See this in editor.
:Just cite the original work and note your creation is a derivative, as you note. However, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.svg this] is already available and can be imported without problem, if specifically the Maslow thing is what your are after. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 04:03, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::You have the short-famed "Matt D. Innis" bug! --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 21:22, 29 December 2007 (CST)


:Anthony, go into my preferences > Misc and make sure Raw signatures (without automatic link) is NOT checked. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:46, 29 December 2007 (CST)
::Thanks for the advice, and also for your assistance with finding an available Maslow diagram. I am intending to fill out the rest of the [[motivation]] article with diagrams explaining the processes and the Maslow diagram is probably the easiest to find, but it does save quite a bit of time knowing that there is already something out there. Some of the other processes are newer or lesser known, so I also needed to know how to go about citing the correct theory originators should I need to make new diagrams. Much appreciated! [[User:Louise Valmoria|Louise Valmoria]] 01:36, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


== Image without a license ==
== Your fair-use proposal, again ==


Hi. [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:MSWindowsVista.png This image] is a screenshot of copyrighted software, and currently doesn't have a license. I didn't know where to report it, so I posted it here. I know we're not allowed fair use images yet, so I guess it shouuld be deleted. [[User:Oliver Smith|Oliver Smith]] 18:08, 29 December 2007 (CST)
Hi Steve. May I please remind you of my earlier message, dated 3 March, on your proposal "[[CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive fair use policy|Non-comprehensive fair use policy]]". As far as I can see, you haven't yet updated the proposal record on [[CZ:Proposals/Executive]], nor have I seen any sign of activity on the proposal page. If nothing happens within a week, I'll have to assume that you are no longer interested in the proposal and thus remove you as its driver, which will render the proposal inactive. That would be a pity given the amount of work that you've put into it. Cheers, [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 09:47, 10 March 2008 (CDT) (Proposals Manager)


:Thanks, I just shrunk it way down, and in that case used it under fair use. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:36, 29 December 2007 (CST)
==DNA/RNA==


== newspost ==
I'm not sure either, but there is such a thing as RNA!  That's as much as I know. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:14, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:Also, change your clock to reflect DST.  I forgot to do mine also. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:15, 10 March 2008 (CDT)


Do you want to write something for the newspost? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:31, 30 December 2007 (CST)
What would you gentlemen like to know about RNA or DNA? [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 16:20, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
:With regard to a revert at Intelligent design.  In the context of that paragraph DNA is definitely correct, however, in the context of first life RNA may well be correct. Intelligent design tends to use modern definitions of life, hence they invoke the impossability of a cell appearing from nowhere.  But first life does not have to be cellular. This is the basis of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis RNA world hypothesis] and probably the reason for the edit you reverted. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 16:41, 10 March 2008 (CDT)


:Sure, got something particular in mind? [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 16:32, 30 December 2007 (CST)
FYI: I added an new image to the [[RNA]] page showing the primary difference between RNA and DNA. I see now this whole conversation started with a similar switch of words, to the correct one I might add. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 16:57, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::Um, how about something newsy? Say, your reflections of the project, or anything you want to make stand out; it's pretty open as it'll be issue #1. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:34, 30 December 2007 (CST)


:::What's the deadline? [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:02, 30 December 2007 (CST)
:I have an undergrad handle on DNA/RNA and have read about the RNA hypothesis in the past (I think its pretty interesting, like most of these things) and have studied the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Africa_theory Out of Africa theory] (which I find pretty convincing), er, [[Out of Africa Theory]] (hint-hint) in some depth.  My reversion to DNA seemed correct because of what was stated in the immediately surrounding contextI'll let ya'll hammer it out, though. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:05, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Within the next day or twoIt doesn't have to be very long, it can be brief. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 17:08, 30 December 2007 (CST)


== IFEXIST PAGENAME or PAGENAMEE ==
The simplest organisms don't have DNA. Either the sentence has to be changed by removing the word "simplest" or the word has to be RNA instead of DNA.
While the step from organisms with RNA to organisms with also have DNA is certainly interesting and probably challenged by ID-people I think the intent of the sentence is:
The genetic information of the simplest (or first) organisms was too complex, to have evolved at random. Those organisms didn't store their genetic information in DNA according to the established scientific worldview that is challenged by intelligent design. [[User:Christian Kleineidam|Christian Kleineidam]] 17:21, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:With respect to science there is definitely a consensus that RNA pre-existed DNA, however, whether the first cell existed before DNA is not known as far as I'm aware. The ID article appears to be talking about cells and probably bacteria-like cells. Do ID creationists acknowledge a pre-DNA world? The article cited can be [http://www.csub.edu/~kszick_miranda/Koonin%202003.pdf seen here] and the minimal set of genes they talk about is definitely for a DNA cell. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 18:14, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


Which one is it supposed to be? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 14:29, 31 December 2007 (CST)
i moved this discussion to [[Talk:Intelligent_design#DNA.2FRNA|Talk:Intelligent_design]], it seems more relevant there. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 20:46, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


The first is for internal links, the latter external (short for pagename + external). [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 16:07, 31 December 2007 (CST)
==Upload wizard mediawiki pages==
I can't edit those because they're locked.  That task is all yours <code><nowiki>:)</nowiki></code> --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 20:30, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


== Another copyright query ==
:The talk pages aren't. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:34, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


The screenshot [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:Gnome_screenshot.png here] is licensed under the GPL. However, on the desktop, it has the Steam icon, which isn't released under the GPL. Does this mean that the screneshot shouldn't be GPL'd? [[User:Oliver Smith|Oliver Smith]] 17:24, 31 December 2007 (CST)
::Also, we can make it so what is there is transposed from the Template namespace. Which pages you after?  All of 'em? [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:35, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


:See againThat's ought suffice. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:55, 31 December 2007 (CST)
:::E.g., {{Tl|Uploadtext-ownwork}} .  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:41, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Um, what?  I don't understand?  Also, there are only 3 left to do, the copyright-expired (pdold), reusable (reusable), and print source. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 20:52, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


Ah, I just saw this message. I think the best solution would be to take a generic screenshot of GNOME containing 100% free software, preferably one showing the default GNOME icons, settings, and applications. --[[User:Joshua David Williams|Joshua David Williams]] 18:23, 31 December 2007 (CST)
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-bypermission‎}}


== [[:Image:Gnome_screenshot.png]] ==
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-pd-usgov‎}}


I just noticed your edit to [[:Image:Gnome_screenshot.png|Gnome screenshot.png]]. This image was actually released under the GFDL. --[[User:Joshua David Williams|Joshua David Williams]] 18:21, 31 December 2007 (CST)
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-flickr‎}}


:I can't speak to Steam with out looking into it first, but the CZ Logo is NOT GFDL. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:03, 31 December 2007 (CST)
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-wikimedia‎}}


What is the CZ logo? --[[User:Joshua David Williams|Joshua David Williams]] 22:31, 31 December 2007 (CST)
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-ownworkcr‎}}


:This: [[:Image:Czlogo.jpg]]. The screenshot can still be used as GFDL.  The point is that someone cannot extract out the CZ logo and and adapt it with their own company name, and the like. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:36, 31 December 2007 (CST)
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-ownworkpro‎}}


::Another comment: this is simply one of those cases where a single image has more than one layer of copyright. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 05:23, 2 January 2008 (CST)
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-ownworkgnu‎}}


== Moving an article ==
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-ownworkpd‎}}


Hi Stephen, could you help me out and move [[Somatoform disorders]] to [[Somatoform disorder]] (along with the relevant subpages)? I'd rather not attempt to move the subpages and make a mess of it, so I'd really appreciate your help. Thanks. [[User:Richard Pettitt|Richard Pettitt]] 15:39, 1 January 2008 (CST)
* {{Tl|Uploadtext-ownwork‎}}
::Well I understand that but how is that put into context of the upload wizard? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 21:10, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


:Done.  You can see [[Special:Log/move]] to see the steps. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 16:53, 1 January 2008 (CST)
:::Which specific MediaWiki namespace pages do you want access to? [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:17, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Well technically I don't need access to any of them but there are three mediawiki namespace pages that need revisioning; those are the ones listed on the upload-wizard/sandbox page. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 21:19, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


::Thanks so much. (And now that I've seen it done, I can do it in the future!) -[[User:Richard Pettitt|Richard Pettitt]] 18:24, 1 January 2008 (CST)
ROFL...  See http://www.flickr.com/photos/librarygeek/2074653299/ for an idea for "You authored this...." [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 23:56, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


== A bug in [[Template:Image notes flickr2]] ==
== Oops ==


The “see flickr profile at [...]” link is incorrect, it includes some extra characters. I was unable to find the bug, will you take a look? --[[User:Kjetil Ree|Kjetil Ree]] 17:10, 1 January 2008 (CST)
Yeah; as you can see, I figured it out pretty quickly, though. Sigh, I've been using "jnc" as my username since '77 or so, so it's totally hardwired in my brain now! (And the similarity of CZ to Wikipedia doesn't help, either...) I was slightly cross when Larry said we had to use full names for accounts here! I was always very proud of carrying on the old {{WP|Incompatible_Timesharing_System|ITS}} hacker tradition of using my initials for my account. Oh well. [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 21:13, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


:Thanks, Kjetil.  All debugged (I hope). {{smile}} [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:37, 1 January 2008 (CST)
:LOL, I understand. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:16, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
::Once I was at a convention with some guys I knew, and someone cracked a joke.  Instead of just laughing, I did a pseudo-laugh while saying "L O L" (like el oh el).  It was the most embarassing moment of my life. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 21:17, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


== Images created by pseudoanonymous Wikimedians ==
:::LOL...someone else once told me they did the same thing. It could catch on.... [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:19, 11 March 2008 (CDT)


Hi again. May I delete images created by pseudoanonymous Wikimedians ([http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:LocationSouthAfrica.png] [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:800px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png] [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:Coat_of_arms_of_South_Africa.png] etc) at my own recognizance? Neither [[CZ:Article Deletion Policy]] nor [[CZ:Images#Images_from_Wikipedia.2C_Wikimedia_Commons.2C_Flickr.2C_Openphoto.net.2C_etc.]] mention what to do. [[User:Kjetil Ree|Kjetil Ree]] 18:52, 1 January 2008 (CST)
== Count Rumford ==


:Well, it's implicit that such images are deletable. However, I think its best to first tag with {{Tl|Cmediaflag}} and then try and/or give others time to fix or replace them over a reasonable but not too long period  (How long?  There's no policy except common sense at this point).  For example, a bit of digging shows that [[:Image:800px-Flag_of_South_Africa.svg.png]] by Commons user SKoop is [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SKopp#About_me Sebastian Koppehel].  [[:Image:Coat_of_arms_of_South_Africa.png]] from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coat_of_arms_of_South_Africa.svg here] need not reference any intermediary source at all, since one can quickly confirm it as nabbed from [http://www.gcis.gov.za/docs/publications/identity/3_1.pdf here].  (Its just common sense to me but maybe ought be put into policy that if an image is obtained from B but B obtained it from A, then you reference A and not B). I've not looked closely at the others yet.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 05:04, 2 January 2008 (CST)
Steve, can I use this: http://www.artunframed.com/images/gainsb/rumford1.jpg --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 19:35, 12 March 2008 (CDT)


== troubleshoot ==
:I can't say "yes" because it's hosted in Britain so there ''may'' be an extremely remote issue (photos of PD works can have protections) with you uploading it from the Netherlands. But not with me from the U.S. :-) I'll upload it for you tonight.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:15, 12 March 2008 (CDT)


give me a list of steps to follow and I'll try to figure out what's going wrong.. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 23:31, 1 January 2008 (CST)
::It so happens that I'm in California right now, but if you do it, it is fine by me. Thank you--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 20:21, 12 March 2008 (CDT)


:I'll think I'll save that offer for next time. :-)  I just deduced what MUST be the problem: ''Subpages for the Template namespace are not enabled in LocalSettings.php!'' [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 23:41, 1 January 2008 (CST)
*Steven, I would like to use a piece of a table of a book (a translation from the French into English) from 1790. I found the table here:


== Thank you for correcting my English ==
http://www.chem.yale.edu/~chem125/125/history99/2Pre1800/Lavoisier/Nomenclature/Lavoisier_on_Elements.html


Thank you. --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 06:59, 3 January 2008 (CST)
and here (Google/Dover):


== New Functional template guidelines ==
http://books.google.nl/books?id=yS_m3PrVbpgC&pg=RA1-PA175&vq=Table+of+simple+substances&source=gbs_search_r&cad=0_2&sig=HtEP0n7R9A8eL8QWjtUZrPFLyMA#PRA1-PA175,M1


How do you suppose that we should direct people to [[CZ:Templates/Guidelines]] if they choose to create a new template? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 10:21, 3 January 2008 (CST)
The 1790 book was reprinted in facsimile by Dover in 1965. I could also use the original French version:


== Newberry Holdings ==
http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mainzv/exhibit/lavoisier.htm 


Can you find something that says whether the Newberry Library asserts reproduction rights over their collections?  In particular, I'd like to use something from [http://i-share.carli.illinois.edu/nby/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=151022 this], but I can't find anything on their site that tells me whether they're okay with that. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 00:30, 6 January 2008 (CST)
What do you think copyright-wise? --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 15:03, 13 March 2008 (CDT)


:Not a thingI'd therefore use it as {{Tl|PD-old}}. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 01:09, 6 January 2008 (CST)
:That's Public DomainHave at it. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 16:55, 13 March 2008 (CDT)


::Thanks.  That's what I was thinking.  I'll probably be downtown this week, so I might just stop in and ask a librarian in person... --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 01:34, 6 January 2008 (CST)
==Spreadsheet==


== Treeview extension/template usage ==
Did you have a chance to look at the spreadsheet?  I'm thinking that we could put only the cases where there is no doubt that it is expired on the copyright-expired upload wizard template ( I think I highlighted them with blue ).  Maybe keeping it in a table form would work.  We could also make a flowchart with just those specific cases. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 09:48, 14 March 2008 (CDT)


Stephen-
:I'll look at it tonight....  I'm off to get new glasses.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 12:04, 14 March 2008 (CDT)


In the interim, can you modify the treeview graphics to use the arrows and the dots that I drew up (instead of the old, outdated folder look) until something official has been created? (it also may be time to archive your user_talk!) --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 10:44, 7 January 2008 (CST)
== Your fair-use proposal, the sequel ==


==Fossilization==
Please have another look at it. You put down 15 March as target date for writing the summary, which has now passed. For your convenience, the proposal page is at [[CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive fair use policy]] and the proposal record it at [[CZ:Proposals/Executive]]. -- The Proposals Manager, [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 16:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)


Hi Stephen
== Wrong licence on image? ==


Hope you are well! I would like to nominate [[Fossilization]] for approval - can you walk me through the steps?
Hi Stephen. Please see [[:Image:Blaas.jpg]].  The author released it as public domain, which I entered when using the upload wizard, but on that page its appearing as copyrighted to the author.  How can I change that? Regards, [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 18:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)


[[User:Lee R. Berger|Lee R. Berger]] 11:49, 7 January 2008 (CST)
:That's an issue that requires coding to fix...it's on my list of stuff to do. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 19:27, 19 March 2008 (CDT)


:Let's do it the easy way this time. [[Image:Crystal ksmiletris.png|18px]] Take what I just emailed you and use it to '''replace''' the text [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template:Fossilization/Metadata&action=edit here] and you're done. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 12:03, 7 January 2008 (CST)
::No worries - the image displays the correct tag anyway when used in an [[blaa|article]]. [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 17:44, 20 March 2008 (CDT)


== Areas of expertise only ==
==Table==


I noticed that part of the form wants editors to check only their areas of expertise. However, the workgroup categories, like [[:Category:Chemistry Editors]] just say "editors that joined group X". So why not just let them check their fields of interest like authors? That also lets editors start of being in categories they are interested in but don't have expertise, like authors. [[User:Aaron Schulz|Aaron Schulz]] 13:23, 7 January 2008 (CST)
Created here:


:Maybe then I'm misunderstanding just what the function does. Let me create a dummy account. We just don't want them to become editors in everything they are interested in!  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 14:52, 7 January 2008 (CST)
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Robert_W_King/Sandbox#PD_table


::I'm saying that the category pages don't say that the editors have to be experts in the topic in order to be included. It is literally just any ''editor'' that is ''on the group''. [[User:Aaron Schulz|Aaron Schulz]] 15:01, 7 January 2008 (CST)
On the actual upload page, it should probably say something like


See [[User:Tester_Tester_McTestertester]]. Dr. McTestertester checked 10 boxes and has thereby become an editor in each of those 10 areas.  While the good doctor is a bright fellow, his actual area of expertise, the area for which he is qualified as an editor, is Mathematics (he runs tests). Yet when an author goes hunting for a Literature Editor to approve his article on [[War and Peace]], he will run upon Dr. McTestertester's name listed at [[:Category:Literature Editors]] and send him off this strangely received request to have his article nominated for approval.  Yet Dr. McTestertester is only a hobbyist with literature, an ''author'' in that area. :-D
"The following matrix represents the only works that are currently "Public Domain" ." --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 12:20, 21 March 2008 (CDT)


But I see the issue.  We want editors to know they can ''author'' about any of those area they want!  For now I added "(you'll still be able to author outside that area, though)" to [[MediaWiki:Requestaccount-areas-text]]. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:33, 7 January 2008 (CST)
== Please clarify ==


:Another thing maybe ... something like {{Tl|Czcategories}} could be added at the bottom of editor userpages (that template has to literally be placed at the bottom).  I added it to [[User:Tester_Tester_McTestertester]] for demonstration. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 17:52, 7 January 2008 (CST)
Stephen, I just uploaded the photo[[:Image:Christchurch Trickling Filters.jpg]] for use in an article I plan to write. As you can see on the permissions subpage where I provided the complete chain of emails exchanged with the City of Christchurch in New Zealand that ended with granting CZ permission to use that photo, I asked them for permission under a Creative Commons license and they granted permission.  


::Hmmm. Dr. McTestertester's email stated "We're delighted to welcome you to the Citizendium '''as an author'''. That ''is'' something that could be [[User_talk:Larry_Sanger#uselang.3D|hacked with uselang=]] to state "editor", but that's just how I first think because I can hack but not code. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:15, 7 January 2008 (CST)
However, when I uploaded the photo, the drop-down licensing options only included copyright options ... there were no Creative Commons options. So I selected a copyright option which is more restrictive than a CC license.


::Working on that. [[User:Aaron Schulz|Aaron Schulz]] 22:13, 7 January 2008 (CST)
But why are there no Creative Commons options? Please explain.
- [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 00:35, 25 March 2008 (CDT)


So the categories with workgroup editors should probably not just say "This page lists all the editors who have joined the Literature Workgroup." but "This page lists all the editors who have joined the Literature Workgroup. All of them have expertise in this field." or something. [[User:Aaron Schulz|Aaron Schulz]] 22:13, 7 January 2008 (CST)
:According to the correspondence, they did not release it under a Creative Commons license but only gave permission. That's fine, and you documented the photo perfectly. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:21, 25 March 2008 (CDT)


:Yes, you have the right meaning and your re-wording does make things more clear.  The current wording seems confusing, now that you've pointed it out. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:47, 7 January 2008 (CST)
== Credit Proposal ==


== thanks! ==
You wrote: "I'll drive if: 1) the 3 author rule is removed and replaced with nothing; 2) the result is a citation, but also includes the verbiage welcoming other contribs below it. Stephen Ewen 21:12, 29 March 2008 (CDT) "


Thank you for the welcome Stephen!
The second proposal already has these I think. Even if it doesn't, go ahead and make those changes and drive! If someone strenuously objects, they can make proposal #3 or negotiate with you. -[[User:Warren Schudy|Warren Schudy]] 11:00, 30 March 2008 (CDT)


==another question on nominations==
: Second the motion! What did you think of my suggested new wording for what the template inserts (basically adding a pre-cooked citation, as you desired). [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 13:02, 30 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== I need one of those callout boxes so help! as the Beatles said ==
 
I'm addressing this to Steve, Rob, or whoever reads this and can help.
 
In response to a suggestion for the Rottweiler article, I'd like to see [[Rottweiler#Birth, growth and development of puppies|THIS SECTION]] and the two whelping photographs put into one of those boxes some of the articles have.
 
My reason is that the information is not integral to the narrative but is nevertheless useful and interesting, and I also like the tone in which it's written.  For more, see [[user:David E. Volk|David's]] comments on the [[Talk:Rottweiler|TALK PAGE]].
 
I can't do the markup myself, that sort of thing makes me ill, so help, someone, pretty please?
 
[[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 23:01, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
 
::[[user:Chris Day|Chris]] came to the rescue.  Grateful thanks.[[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 04:28, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
 
==A joy....==
....to use your upload wizard.  Such a great tool.  Thanks.  [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 03:02, 2 April 2008 (CDT)
 
== Images of book covers ==
 
Stephen: Can we show images of book covers now?  If so, can we crop and show only selected segment of cover?  --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 17:06, 4 April 2008 (CDT)
 
I would argue “fair use” for CZ authors/editors to reproduce book cover images in these cases:
*One uses a scanned image of a book cover one owns, scan produced by the owner, owner specifies no reuse by others except when used in Citizendium articles, that specification always shown with the image, the image always a thumbnail;
*One uses a captured screen image of a book cover on a publisher’s website, shows it as a thumbnail, and specifies the publisher’s name and the website URL containing the image;
*One uses a captured screen image of a book cover on a booksellers website, so long as the bookseller remains non-identifiable/non-linkable from the image, shows it as a thumbnail, and specifies no reuse by others except when used in Citizendium articles, that specification always shown with the image. --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 18:28, 4 April 2008 (CDT)
 
::It would of course be fair use, in my view.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 00:56, 6 April 2008 (CDT)
 
Dear Stephen,
 
I am a little worried about my article's images, I was following the image wizard and copying the information from the public domain about the image, the name I used to credit the image was listed as the image's: "author" I thought those were their real names...
I'm really new to this stuff so I appreciate the advice.
Thanks,
 
Corinne
 
== You'r own work? ==
 
Hey Stephen,
 
Sorry, I was wondering what to do if it's your own work (that's not in a Creative Commons)? For example my image for my bio is a picture I took, or if I draw a orbital motion and then take a picture and upload it to my computer. How do you credit your own work?
Thanks again!
 
Corinne
 
== Michael Faraday ==
 
Dear Stephen, you are good in finding portraits. Could you find a portrait of [[Michael Faraday]]? --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 19:16, 8 April 2008 (CDT)
 
:Well, I love the one currently in the article.  Very nice. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:05, 9 April 2008 (CDT)
 
::When I asked you this, Richard Jensen had not yet added that picture and also I didn't know that he intended to add one. Sorry for bothering you for nothing.--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 20:29, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
:::well actually I was given the idea by Paul's request here. [[User:Richard Jensen|Richard Jensen]] 21:35, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
 
Stephen could I use  [http://www.rigb.org/heritage/popups/inductionring.jsp this photo] ? --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 12:35, 23 April 2008 (CDT)
 
== Fair Use ==
 
Do I upload photos from this site as fair use or something else?  I'm not sure what the disclaimer requires of me/us.  http://academic.reed.edu/uxmal/copyright.html --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 11:01, 9 April 2008 (CDT)
 
:Dunno, don't recall.  I myself would not hesitate to use any photos there, however. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:05, 9 April 2008 (CDT)
 
== 'Tombstone' page? ==
 
I assume [[Onslow Beach/Tester2]] is now no longer needed, and should be deleted? [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 15:51, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
 
PS: Time to archive your Talk: page... :-) [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 15:51, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
 
== Eduzendium ==
I'm having trouble getting help getting a student registered. His name is alvaro cardona <dariuscardona@yahoo.com> and he says he submitted a registration request but never heard back. --[[User:John J. Dennehy|John J. Dennehy]] 14:19, 14 April 2008 (CDT)
 
== Drop of 'title' Question ==


Hi Stephen,
Hi Stephen,
when I registered, I assumed that I need to include my title - since in Germany, the moment you receive your doctorate, it is an official part of your name that you can't usually miss (it is even entered into your passport). You can, of course, drop my title in my name - could you please assist me how to manage that?
All the best for now,
Raphael. <small>...said</small> [[User:Raphael D Thöne, Ph.D.|Raphael D Thöne, Ph.D.]] ([[User_talk:Raphael D Thöne, Ph.D.|talk]]) {{#if:06:20, 15 April 2008|06:20, 15 April 2008|}} (<small>''Please sign your talk page posts by simply adding four tildes, ''</small><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.)
== New user name ==
Stephen, take a look [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Roger_Lohmann#New_user_name here].  Thanks, [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 07:50, 15 April 2008 (CDT)
[http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Dr._Raman_Chandrasekar Another one] for the name changer. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 16:36, 26 September 2008 (CDT)
== Please see my questions on the Forum ==
Stephen:
When you have the time, please look at the questions I asked [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1686.0.html here] in the Images section of the forums. No rush, but I would like whatever answers you can give. Thanks in advance, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 11:13, 18 April 2008 (CDT)
== Your help please... ==
If I am not mistaken you are an image expert.
Could you please explain the notes on [[:Image:Peterborough Lift Lock, partway through cycle.jpg]]?
Did I upload an image that can't be used here?
The 150kb guideline, is that merely for the convenience of readers, who might have a slow connection?  In which case it was okay that the first version I uploaded was 400K?  Or is the concern over the capacity of the image server? 
Thanks!  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] 16:12, 21 April 2008 (CDT)
:It's fine, and just ignore the size limit. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 11:59, 23 April 2008 (CDT)
==Hilarious==
I know this is WP related, but you have got to check out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Citizendium#unreliable_references_have_no_place_in_this_article this exchange.] This is the funniest bit:
<pre>
Clay Shirky is NOT a recognized authority on Citizendium. QuackGuru (talk) 21:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Even if he is not that's not an issue here. -- Taku (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::This issue issue here. Per WP:EL#AVOID, the blog is not a recognized authority. QuackGuru (talk) 23:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Like I said, WP:EL#AVOID is merely a guideline. -- Taku (talk) 05:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::WP:EL#AVOID is a guideline we should comply with. QuackGuru (talk) 06:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::And I have already responded to this. Please, I'm getting tired of repeating myself. -- Taku (talk) 06:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Policy or the guideline is applicable to this case. We should comply with Wikipedia policy and not ignore it. QuackGuru (talk) 09:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Which policy? -- Taku (talk) 21:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::WP:EL#AVOID QuackGuru (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::But it's not a policy :) -- Taku (talk) 22:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::We should comply with this guideline. QuackGuru (talk) 22:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
</pre>
It's so just "spinning-the-wheels" but I love it. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:08, 24 April 2008 (CDT)
ROFL. {{smile}} [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 23:21, 24 April 2008 (CDT)
==Also...==
I'm working on something and would like to know if you want to assist.  The section is under [[CZ_Talk:Workgroup_Weeks]] "What else"; let me know if you're interested.  Also, we need to finish the upload wizard! --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 09:29, 25 April 2008 (CDT)
== strings extension ==
There has been some talk of trying to push to get the strings package added to CZ...any idea how something like that might happen?--[[User:David Yamakuchi|David Yamakuchi]] 20:17, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
:Email tools@citizendium.org [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 14:01, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
== Changes ==
Just asking, when I was not at CZ for months, are there any significant changes in policy and content here? Regards. [[User:Yi Zhe Wu|Yi Zhe Wu]] 12:22, 17 May 2008 (CDT)
==Move lock==
Hi - no hurry, but can you lift the move lock on the [[morphology]] article. We want to move it for disambiguation purposes. Thanks. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 02:46, 15 June 2008 (CDT)
:Done!  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 15:21, 15 June 2008 (CDT)
== Wikipedia ==
Hi Steve,<br>It looks like there have been some fairly extensive edits to improve the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tec%C3%BAn_Um%C3%A1n Tecún Umán] article over at Wikipedia.  They have obviously been using our article to do this, because they are now citing many of the sources that I had considerable trouble getting my hands on when I was first composing our article.  I think there may also be some copyright violations (have a look at recent edits).  I'm glad that someone is paying attention but the copyright issues are obviously not acceptable.  How do we go about fixing that? <br>Thanks much,<br>--[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 17:01, 18 June 2008 (CDT)
:Let me look....  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:12, 18 June 2008 (CDT)
::Thanks, Steve.  I know you've had contact with people over there who responded to similar situations very professionally before.  See, specifically, the section on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tec%C3%BAn_Um%C3%A1n#Historical_evidence historical evidence].  Where the text mirrors our article exactly but does not give credit. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 10:49, 23 June 2008 (CDT)
:::See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tec%C3%BAn_Um%C3%A1n&diff=221255053&oldid=220850449 here].  Let me know if you want to do anything more. It would be fully justifiable, for example, to simply revert to the point where the rip off began. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 14:04, 23 June 2008 (CDT)
::::Thanks again.  I don't need any personal credit, so I changed the citation to simply read "Citizendium contributors".  I removed references to our article where the information in question is common knowledge and our article probably didn't tell the author anything new and also changed a few references to cite other sources for the benefit of the reader.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see whether any of this stuff sticks... --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 12:48, 24 June 2008 (CDT)
:::::This is great. I'd be unhappy if after all of our hard work Wikipedia says "today we copied all of their approved articles, & then we 'flagged' them so we're basically as good as Citizendium if not better (& we think we are too)" ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 13:34, 24 June 2008 (CDT))
== Way to go! ==
Steve, that was great about the email from Trinity Church.  That says something for sure. [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 07:35, 23 June 2008 (CDT)
[[Image:Crystal ksmiletris.png|18px]] [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:39, 23 June 2008 (CDT)
==video copyright==
Hi Stephen, First, very impressed with the e-mail matt mentions above.  Second I just put a video onto the [[Biology/Video]] subpage as an experiment.  One problem is that an older version that i had booked marked appears to have been removed due to copyright infringement.  See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxSLw1LMvgk  What do we need to do to get access to this video? I assume we can't link to anything on youtube. If they give us permission would we host it?  Third, note that the video subpage curretnly say these are CZ hosted, yet we are actually linking to youtube, so far.  Should we change that header to something more generic?  Or is our long term goal to host everything here? [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 01:44, 26 June 2008 (CDT)
== Is an image obtained from a U.S. patent published online considered Public Domain? ==
Stephen, I found an image (that I want to use for a CZ article) in a patent published online (U.S. Patent 6915662) at [http://www.freepatentsonline.com/US6915662.html this url]. I have re-drawn it completely to enhance it and to change the measurement units from USA units to metric units ... but it is still basically the same as in the patent.
Would my drawing be considered Public Domain? And how should I word the credit line? Should I credit it to the U.S. Patent Office, or to the specific patent number, or the names of the inventors?
Thanks in advance, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 16:57, 5 July 2008 (CDT)
:An image obtained from a U.S. patent published online would be Public Domain only if the image is the intellectual creation of the U.S. gov.  You know when this is the case if it is the intellectual creation of a U.S. gov employee in the course of their official duties.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 01:14, 6 July 2008 (CDT)
::By the way, for what its worth, for images that merely depict factual info of something that has passed into common use, I'd personally not be concerned one bit about just using it '''here''' under fair use.  There's nothing creative about the image, it's just facts.  That said, it's so small I can't read it without squinting, and even then its blurry and not at all pleasurable to view, and I have a high quality monitor. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 01:23, 6 July 2008 (CDT)
==See==
[[Talk:LeStudio1.com]] --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 12:09, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
:Thx.  Userfied.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 14:09, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
== Many excellent free photos at www.morguefile.com ==
Stephen:
There are a great many excellent photos available for free use at [http://www.morguefile.com www.morguefile.com]. Their terms of use  license agreement is available at [http://www.morguefile.com/archive/terms.php?sid=196958c99abbb21c9488459d8dfecffc License agreement]
Are you familiar with them? I have written them an email asking specically if we are free to use any of their photos on CZ. I will email you a copy of their response when I get it.
I would appreciate your comments concerning their terms of use license agreement. It would be a great resource if we can use their photos. Regards, -[[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 14:11, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
:Be careful! I have tried to go to that site three times now, twice with IE and once with Firefox, and all three times it takes me to:
::*http://www.dnsmadeeasy.com/lostredirect.html
:and a warning from Micro Trend PC-Cillin pops up and tells me that this is a "dangerous" phishing site.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 14:59, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
::The link is incorrect.  Milt typed "www.morgue.file.com" as the destination for the link when he meant "[http://www.morguefile.com www.morguefile.com]" --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 16:28, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
:::Thanks, Joe. I have fixed my mistake now and the link now works correctly. What do you think  of that site? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 17:07, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
::::The terms look fine to me.  Many of the photographers ask to be notified when their works are used but, of course, that is only fair.  Just check the darker tan strip above the photo for any special requests by the person who originally submitted the file. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 17:24, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
:::::Stephen, I just uploaded [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:Industrial_air_pollution_source.jpg Industrial air pollution source.jpg] which I obtained from the  [http://www.morguefile.com www.morguefile.com] website. All the author of the photo asked was to be notified by email about the upload and that he be included in the credit line ... and he said even that wasn't mandatory. I will send him an email and will include him in the credit line.
:::::When I uploaded the drawing, I used the option offered in the Upload-Wizard that was entitled: '''Some other internet source that features re-usable media''' and I also selected <nowiki>{{Test-template}}</nowiki> as the licensing option. Everything went well and the image was uploaded. However, there seems to be no way to create a credit line when using that option from the Upload-Wizard. I have tried everything I could think of but have been unable to create a credit line for the uploaded photo. Can you help get that done? I would like it to read: "© Kenn Kiser". I would like to get this done as soon as you can, so that I can send Ken Kiser the notification email he asked for. Thanks a bunch, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:27, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
::::::I'll tidy up over the weekend.  You did the right thing. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 23:01, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
There are some great photos there that I'd very much like to use. The files are generally large however, and I guess will generally need to be included at lower resolution - if so, how should they be credited? [[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] 03:49, 9 July 2008 (CDT)
:Attribute to author; link to location of photo. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:51, 11 July 2008 (CDT)
===Morguefile template===
I made {{Tl|Morguefile}} and it can be selected from [[Special:Upload]] but not from the Wizard yet. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:51, 11 July 2008 (CDT)
== could you delete a page? ==
Hello Mr. Ewen,
could you delete [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Dokdo/Catalogs this page] please? Thank you very much. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 10:08, 17 July 2008 (CDT))
:Hi Chunbum.  Done.  [[Image:Crystal ksmiletris.png|18px]] [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 00:58, 18 July 2008 (CDT)
::Gratias tibi ago. ([[User:Chunbum Park|Chunbum Park]] 08:35, 18 July 2008 (CDT))
== Can you re-name an image for me, please? ==
Stephen, could you re-name [[:Image:Relative Volatility vsT&P.png]] to [[:Image:Relative Volatilty vs T&P.png]]? I goofed and did not put a space between "vs" and "T&P". Thanks mucho in advance, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 00:58, 18 July 2008 (CDT)
:Just re-upload it with the name you want and place <nowiki>{{speedydelete|Duplicate image}}</nowiki> on the wrongly named one. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 14:41, 19 July 2008 (CDT)
== helix: GOOD! ==
Stephen, I love the DNA helix animation!  Thanks for uploading that.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 08:31, 18 July 2008 (CDT)
:Thanks!  That thing was quite the challenge to make.... [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 14:40, 19 July 2008 (CDT)
== Category Help requests ==
Stephen, I asked you a question under "category help requests", but because I'm not sure that is the right place and will reach you,  I mention it here. --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 10:00, 21 July 2008 (CDT)
:I'll look into getting one this weekend... [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 18:01, 22 July 2008 (CDT)
== User rename ==
Hi Stephen, here's one for your magic touch [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Byeongju_Park_Ph.D.]
:Done. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:17, 9 August 2008 (CDT)
== Image use ==
Stephen, can I use [http://flickr.com/photos/mtnpix/88366111/in/set-530775/ this picture]?  [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 21:46, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
:Yep. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 22:01, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
::Thanks Joe!  Keep an eye on me to make sure I do it right... it's been awhile! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 22:15, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
:::Wow, that was so much easier than a year ago!  Way to go guys... [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 22:47, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
== Images in [[Neanderthal]]: permissions? ==
Stephen: Re the images in [[Neanderthal]]: does CZ have permission to reproduce them? Not clear to me that proper permission obtained.  [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 19:48, 8 August 2008 (CDT)
== Photo from www.freefoto.com ==
Stephen:
There is a very good picture of a gas flare that I would very much like to use at [http://www.freefoto.com/download/13-28-74?ffid=13-28-74 here]
Their rules for using a free photo can be read at [http://www.freefoto.com/browse/99-05-0?ffid=99-05-0 here] and my interpretation is that CZ would be free to use the photo. If you agree, after reading the rules, would you be so kind as upload it into CZ as <nowiki>[[Image:Gas Flare.jpg]]</nowiki> so that I can use it?
If you disagree, please let me know. Thanks very much, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 17:11, 10 August 2008 (CDT)
:Yep, just credit both the source and the author by name (upload at [[Special:Upload]] choose and at step 5 select '''attribution''' under "Other high free"). And it'd be great to crop out their overkill water mark! [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 20:45, 10 August 2008 (CDT)
== question... ==
Say, did you ever finish [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=User_talk%3AGeorge_Swan&diff=100222558&oldid=100206578 that tool to aid uploads?]  Thanks!  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] 19:13, 11 August 2008 (CDT)
:No, wanna help? :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 22:05, 11 August 2008 (CDT)
== Would you please read the forum thread about the [[Global warming]] article? ==
Stephen, as one of our Constables, would you please read this thread [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1817.0.html here] on the forums about the neutrality of the [[Global warming]] external article ported here from Wikipedia? Do you think some action should or should not be taken? I will await your response in that thread on the forums.Thanks in advance. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 15:04, 13 August 2008 (CDT)
:The content is for the relevant editors to work out, Constables deal with behavior only.  Cheers,  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 21:49, 19 August 2008 (CDT)
==McIntosh apples==
Hi, Stephen. Thanks for having a look at the article on apples. Small thing, really, but the spelling is "McIntosh" for the apple, so the header is wrong, not the spelling in the article. Is that something you can fix? Sorry to be a pain in the nethers, but hey, someone has to do it! PS: Is there some way I have to put the date and time after my user link at the end of this, or is that automated? Newbie alert! Newbie alert! ;-) [[User:David H. Barrett|David H. Barrett]]
== Rename User ==
Hi Stephen,  This user needs a rename from [[User:Raul Saias Lopez Aedo]] to [[User:Raul Isaias Lopez Aedo]].  Thanks, [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 10:14, 30 September 2008 (CDT)
== Need info about photos on Flickr ==
Stephen, how does one determine whether or not a photo found on Flickr may or may not be used in CZ? I haven't been able to figure that out. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 15:09, 4 October 2008 (CDT)
== Image copyright question ==
Stephen, am I right in thinking that copyright expires after 75 years (specifically in Ireland and the UK)?  Reason I'm asking is that there are plenty of old photos available online I'd like to use, on Irish figures and history, but I'm not sure if I can grab them or not.  Thanks, [[User:Anton Sweeney|Anton Sweeney]] 15:47, 5 October 2008 (CDT)
== CV ==
Hello.
I have written my bio to be editor again, but I dont know if you have my CV or not, so let me know if you need it or if I sent it to you before.
Thanks in advance,
Jesus Prieto-Lloret
== Please look at <nowiki>[[Image:Periodictable V2.jpg]]</nowiki> ==
Stephen, please look at this image ... it refers to the copyright holder as "GPDL" which doesn't make sense to me and it has no credit line at all. Is that kosher? Could you legitimize the copyright holder, the licensing choice and the credit line? Thanks, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 03:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
== One-time pad ==
I notice an ancient comment from you, [[User_talk:Sandy_Harris#one-time_pad]]. Does [[One-time_pad]] as it now is make sense to you? [[User:Sandy Harris|Sandy Harris]]
== Hello! ==
Well, there's a sight for sore eyes!  Are you back for awhile?  School over? Where the heck have you been!!! [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 21:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:Getting a PhD. in copyright law, I hope, hehe! [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 21:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::Wherever you've been and whatever you've been doing, welcome back! Your expertise has been sorely missed! [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
== Restart of proposal system ==
Hello. Due to a lack of activity and attention on my part, the Proposal System has ground to a halt and discussion on all proposals has stopped. I decided to clean out the system by marking all proposals as inactive and removing their drivers. This also happened to your proposal [[CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive fair use policy|"Non-comprehensive fair use policy"]]. I would be delighted if you decide that you want to take the proposal up again. You can do this by updating the proposal record, which can now be found at [[CZ:Proposals/Driverless]]. Please do not hesitate to ask if anything is unclear. Yours, [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 22:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC) (Proposals Manager)
== PD... but not? ==
Stephen, I wonder if you could have a look at [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2689.0.html this forum discussion] and let me know how something can be in the Public Domain and yet still require attribution, with templates such as {{tl|PD-butclaim}}? Thanks, [[User:Caesar Schinas|Caesar Schinas]] 06:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:As I understand it, proprietary rights are an additional layer of legal claims that people have (controversially) asserted over top of copyright. Whereas ''the original work'' (e.g., a physical photo) may be in the public domain, and all that that implies, there are financial costs associated with digitizing and hosting such images on the web.  So some people add "requests" related to what they assert as proprietary rights, while some such as Corbit go much further and argue that their asserted proprietary rights PLUS their mere watermark on a PD image constitutes a new copyright (not that this would necessarily legally hold water, I am just describing arguments).  The idea behind the template is to inform the reader about these claims over an image rather than play lawyer, judge and jury over the matter.  My philosophy has been to inform people about what people say about an image as acquired from the source it has been acquired from, and let them make up their own minds.  At core, we still use the image image and perhpas avoid ruffling anayone's feathers, and that's what ultimately matters.  [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 06:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I see. Perhaps that could be made clearer in the template or its documentation; I'll have a go...
::Thanks for the explanation.
::[[User:Caesar Schinas|Caesar Schinas]] 06:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Also, when people who undergo costs associated with digitizing and hosting an image request attribution, it very strongly seems to me a common courtesy and a way to very appropriately honor providers with attribution for such when they request it.  Put yourself in their shoes and you'd agree, and my philosophy is to keep image providers happy so they provide more. :-) [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 06:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Oh, I absolutely agree with that. Even for completely free works it's nice to credit the provider. I was just wondering what the legal issues were. [[User:Caesar Schinas|Caesar Schinas]] 07:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear about my last post, I am asserting it about those who undergo costs associated with digitizing and hosting ''PD images''.  I believe that it is a wholly appropriate an honorable thing to meet whatever is their reasonable requests when reusing the image.  Because we would not even have it but for them!
:::::For example: Peter Kazowski is a fan of 18th century Polish art.  For U.S. $1,500 he buys a long out-of-print book with images of such, and over 1000 hours digitizes the photos of artwork, all PD.  He then takes out polish-art.com to display his digitizations.  As part of his site, he includes a "Terms of Use", which is an assertion of contract law (if you use my site then you agree to these terms) and proprietary rights ( I own this domain and digitized these images).  He also sells large resolution images of his digitization (if you want a big image of a piece, pay me and I'll send it). 
:::::A CZ user decides that one of the smaller images at polish-art.com is good for an article on Polish history and includes it.  Within the Terms of Use of the site, however, Mr. Kazowski states, "When reusing any images hosted at this site, you agree to attribute '''polish-art.com''' and include a link to polish-art.com." 
:::::See? 
:::::While Mr. Kazowski's requests may be legally questionable, it is moral to accede to his wishes.  In such a case, we take the higher road.  Mr. Kazowski's requests seem entirely reasonable, so we simply do as he has asked to keep him happy and honor his work, and to motivate similar people to provide images to the world as he has done. 
::::: [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 07:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I did understand your first explanation, and I do agree that in a case such as your (very good) example the provider should certainly be credited, even though we're not legally obliged to do so.
::::::I just hadn't originally realised this was the purpose of those templates; I'd thought it was a legal thing. Now I understand.
::::::Thanks for the explanations.
::::::[[User:Caesar Schinas|Caesar Schinas]] 07:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
== Upload Wizard ==
Hi Stephen,<br />
What do you think of my initial draft of a new, simplified upload wizard, at [[User:Caesar_Schinas/Upload]]?<br />
Oh, and I ought to let you know that I have made quite a few changes to the code behind the existing one, in case you wonder what's going on when you next look at it...<br />
[[User:Caesar Schinas|Caesar Schinas]] 17:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'm partial to the icons.  They work with the way our brains work with associations and speed functioning significantly, in the same way a compuiter with a graphical and not text-only interface does. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 23:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::Sorry Stephen, I've only just noticed your reply. The new wizard has since been completely redesigned - see [[CZ:Upload]] - and everyone who has seen it likes it.
::I suppose I could add icons to the new wizard fairly easily, and I am not opposed to the concept, but I think that many of the existing icons are pretty much unrelated to the action which they represent. Of course, things like Wikimedia and Flickr have obvious icons, but what do you use as an icon for "I am the copyright holder" - or "I am not the copyright holder", for that matter! We would need to compile a comprehensive set of icons for every option, rather than adding icons to everything just for the sake of it even if those icons were less than relevant.
::Anyway, for now, I think the new wizard is complete (tweaks can still be made, of course), and everyone who has looked at it seems to approve.
::'''Unless anyone objects, the new wizard will go live later today or tomorrow morning.'''
::[[User:Caesar Schinas|Caesar Schinas]] 07:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Very nice java work, Ceasar.  :-)
I wonder if you can create a tick box, '''Is this photo of a human subject?''' that, if ticked, would insert {{Tl|privacyrights}}.
Icons for I am the copyright holder might depict one person; the other, two persons.  Icons do speed usage.  Imagine if your computer desktop only used text and no icons!
[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 02:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
== Welcome back! ==
Hi, Stephen. I didn't realize you were back. Welcome! Welcome! [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 03:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hey!  I'm just droppin in because Ceasar asked me a question about the Wizard. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 03:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
==You've been Nominated!==
Someone has nominated you for a position in the new Citizendium.  They have noticed you're dedication to the project and like what they see.  To be listed on the ballot for the position, it is necessary that you accept the nomination on the [[Archive:Citizendium Ballot for the Management Council|Nomination page].  Just place accept next to your name along with the four tildes. The nomination period will close at midnight October 7 (UTC).  Article 54 of the new charter details the requirements:
===Article 54===


Is there any way to update my nomination to the present version of [Fossilization] that you and others have so kindly added to? Otherwise, the approved version will be outdated if it is on the 7th (nice to see how nomination motivates a bunch of action though!-). Also, do you have a skype phone number - I'd like to chat with you one on one sometime. You can email me the number if possible.
*In conjunction with the Declaration of the Editor-in-Chief regarding the effectivity of this Charter, there shall be a call for nominations for the following offices: Managament Council (five seats), Editorial Council (seven seats), Managing Editor (one), Ombudsman (one).  This shall be the effective date of the Charter.
*Any Citizen may nominate candidates for these positions. 
*Nominations shall be collected and collated by the Chief Constable.
*Nominations shall be accepted no more than fourteen days after the effective date of the charter; the ballot shall be available starting on the twentieth day after the effective date of the charter; the election shall be completed no more than twenty-eight days after the effective date of the charter; all elected officials shall begin their term of office on the thirtieth day after the effective date of the charter. 
*Only candidates who accept their nomination shall be eligible to appear on the ballot. Nominated candidates can accept nominations for no more than two official functions.  Accepting a nomination serves as a declaration of commitment, in the case of being elected, to fulfill this function until the limit of the term.
*All positions shall be elected by a simple majority of the voting citizenry. In the case of a tie, an immediate run-off election shall be held.
*In the event that a candidate has been elected for two functions, the candidate shall declare which one he or she accepts within three days of announcement of the election results. In the event that such a declaration has not been made during this period, the candidate shall be considered elected for the position for which the nomination was accepted first. The same procedure applies to a reserve member that becomes elected by a seat being vacated this way.


[[User:Lee R. Berger|Lee R. Berger]] 08:10, 11 January 2008 (CST)
If you would like to make a statement to help voters, click the "Statement" link to the right of your name.


==Financing human rights (...)==
Thanks again for the commitment you're making to assure that Citizendium becomes the premier quality online source we all have envisioned.  
Hi,


I forgot to tell on the talk page that I contacted the author of this page:
[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 13:18, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
: ''I read with interest the page you created (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Financing_human_rights_and_full_employment). I'd like to see you enrich it with more explanations, references, etc.''


: ''I'm afraid it could be deleted enventually because it looks more like an opinion or an essay. This is, IMO, easy to fix.''
==welcome back?!==
Stephen, I hope you are able to participate again. You've been missed by me![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 20:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


: ''Thanks for your time,''
== Looks Quiet ==
: ''Pierre-Alain''


I should have mentioned this on the talk page; OTOH, I was (and still am) hopeful to receive a prompt response.  
I was just checking in to see how things were going, looking at recent changes and such. I've done this from time-to-time over the past two years plus. It seems like the project has been stuck in sort of a rut for a long time. :-(


I must tell, honestly, that, when I came accross this page, I found the title was quite original for an encyclopedia article, and assumed that it was considered acceptable (or tolerable) CZ content. Would you say it is?
I have ideas to breath new life in to the project and would consider donating some time to put feet to them. Email me if you think the ideas might be worth considering: stephen.ewen AT gmail.com


I'd rather see accepted concepts and terms (minimal citizenship revenue (roughly translated from french) is an accepted concept/term belonging to a whole group of concepts that can put flesh to the bone of this (skeletal ;-) ) article!
[[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 07:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:Still here. :) We roll on a 'consensus' model now with a simpler [[CZ:Policies|policy list]] that reduces everything else to guidance. Why not come back? [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 17:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


Please let me know the timeframe for the development/standardization of this article that I should have in mind. If this should be dealt with very quickly, I might be unable to assist in the process.
== Planning/advisory panel ==


[[User:Pierre-Alain Gouanvic|Pierre-Alain Gouanvic]] 13:39, 13 January 2008 (CST)
Hi Stephen, We're putting together a non-public Google group where some of us can brainstorm about how this wiki might develop in the future.  I was hoping you'd be willing to join the group and advise.  If you are, please email manager A T citizendium.org so that we can add or invite you to the group (CZ-Advisory Panel).[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 02:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


:Okay, thanks PierreHopefully the prod will do the trick soon. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 19:04, 13 January 2008 (CST)
== You are missed! ==
Stephen, I saw you dropped by and wanted to say hello.  You are missed!  We're slowly building a core group of writers againI'm still hoping to get the software upgraded and the non-profit status worked out. Would love to see you back in the wiki.  [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 15:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


==Copyright==
:Hi Pat! [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] ([[User talk:Stephen Ewen|talk]])
Stephen, the complexities of copyright befuddle me. In light of Larry's recent fiat, does this mean I can or can't upload [http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluebus/1351393170/ this image] from Flickr? Cheers. --[[User:Russ McGinn|Russ McGinn]] 08:24, 16 January 2008 (CST)
:The license seems to be creative commons, non-commercial, no derivatives. --[[User:Russ McGinn|Russ McGinn]] 08:38, 16 January 2008 (CST)


::Yes, version 2.0You'll find that option at the "from flickr" option at [[CZ:Upload-Wizard]]. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 09:44, 16 January 2008 (CST)
::Hi back at you.  Hope this finds you thriving. How are you faring this 2nd COVID winter?  All well hereIt's a good time to stay home and write peacefully in CZ. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 23:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
:::Ah! great, the mists are receding....Cheers. --[[User:Russ McGinn|Russ McGinn]] 11:22, 16 January 2008 (CST)

Latest revision as of 03:52, 8 March 2024

*Category:Help requests

Hourglass drawing.svg Where Steve lives it is approximately: 14:05

Thanks

Thanks muchly Steve, nice to pop my head 'round the door! John Stephenson 21:15, 13 February 2008 (CST)

Follow-up

Thanks Stephen. I really appreciate your effort. I'll get started on the uploading tomorrow and start adding more to the article subpages as well. The sound files idea sounds excellent. Meg Ireland 03:11, 15 February 2008 (CST)

Please delete an image I uploaded

Stephen, I uploaded earlier today Image:Perkins Triangle Distillation Setup.png. The I found that the image had a flaw as well is being mis-named (it should be Perkin ... not Perkins). So I uploaded this corrected, re-named version Image:Perkin Triangle Distillation Setup.png.

I drew both of the above versions myself and licensed both of them as PD-new. They are similar (but far from being exactly the same) to the image we tried to upload from Commons but could not, because the Wikipedian who drew it declined to give his real name.

Could you please delete Image:Perkins Triangle Distillation Setup.png, which is the flawed and misnamed version? Thanks in advance. - Milton Beychok 02:03, 16 February 2008 (CST)

Done. I've had in the back of my mind to create a really nice 3-D image of that, but am not sure I will find the time but hope to. If you have a really large version of that image, send it to me by email so I don't have to strain as much should I find time to give it a go. You are a pretty amazin' fellow, by the way.  :-) Stephen Ewen 02:11, 16 February 2008 (CST)
Stephen, thanks for being so prompt. That image is 311 x 471px and if my 85-year old eyes can see it easily, your eyes should have no problem. In any event, the image as it now stands is perfectly adequate. Thanks again, - Milton Beychok 12:36, 16 February 2008 (CST)

Symbols image

Hey Stephen. There was a discussion about this on Wikipedia. Apparently the symbols are considered public domain because the symbols have existed for some considerable centuries before they were reused by members of Led Zeppelin. The exact authorship is unknown. Meg Ireland 16:48, 17 February 2008 (CST)

Well, look at it from two angles. Angle one: let's assume the individual symbols are PD. However, in that combination, a derivative work of PD materials, they may be trademarked, just as is the combination of symbols that make up "Led Zeppelin" (each letter of that name is PD, no?). Angle two, let's assume the individual characters are not copyrightable. That still does not mean the combination, the derivative work, is not copyrightable.
Anyone can take public domain materials and create a derivative work from them, and that work is copyrightable if it has sufficient originality. The severable PD items would remain PD, but not the creative derivative work that uses them. Which is the case here? Beats me! And I don't think its worth researching and asking Atlantic. Hence, I don't think it wise to assert it as "public domain".
I added some more clarifications in the notes section of the image.
Stephen Ewen 19:12, 17 February 2008 (CST)

Would appreciate your comments

Stephen, if you have the time or the inclination, please take a look at the list of articles created on my user page. Am I overdoing it? Or does CZ think "the more, the merrier"? I would appreciate any comments you care to offer. - Milton Beychok 00:16, 18 February 2008 (CST)

Have a ball, Milton. Crystal ksmiletris.png Stephen Ewen 00:20, 18 February 2008 (CST)

Time cover

I see that Prof. Jensen has put a Time cover into the 2008 Presidential article with a justification that reads: "fair use Category Five: Book, periodical, and disc covers, and promotional posters, comic strips, editorial cartoons, and closely similar". (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/2008_United_States_presidential_election) I wasn't aware that CZ had authorized this sort of usage. I'm all for it, of course, as I have a bunch of Time covers that I would like to use in some of the articles I've worked on. As I recall, some time ago you nixed my use of a Time cover until we tried to get authorization from Time mag. They sent us an email saying we could use it for $1000 or some such. You resent an explanation and, I think, we never got a reply. So, what is your take on the present use? Hayford Peirce 10:20, 18 February 2008 (CST)

Jumping the gun, is he? See CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive_fair_use_policy. Stephen Ewen 13:04, 18 February 2008 (CST)
I dunno. You tell *me* -- I've got a bunch of Time covers just waiting to be used.... Hayford Peirce 13:10, 18 February 2008 (CST)
If it were me, I'd go get after him for jumping the gun. Stephen Ewen 13:18, 18 February 2008 (CST)
I'm just an innocent bystander seeking elucidation.... Hayford Peirce 13:25, 18 February 2008 (CST)
Stephen, I too would appreciate knowing whether I may use magazine and/or book cover images in articles, without seeking authorization from publisher. Also: If I request permission for a scientific journal article or book illustration, can I offer that it cannot be re-used by others but will only be used for the article specified. And if so, how do I protect the illustration from re-use in an otherwise CC-by-sa article? --Anthony.Sebastian 14:06, 18 February 2008 (CST)
See CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive_fair_use_policy. On the other matter, check out CZ:Upload-Wizard, the section "From a copyright holder who has given me written permission to use his or her work". Maybe test it out by uploading Testing - 1, 2, 3,4.jpg. Things get really well labeled to avoid CC-by-sa confusion there.  :-) Stephen Ewen 14:34, 18 February 2008 (CST)

Re Life/Draft

Stephen, thanks for tidying up the images in Life/Draft. Gareth Leng happy with my responses to his long list of critiques and prepared to approve replacing Life with the draft version (see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Talk:Life/Draft#Thanks_Anthony). I've asked Chris Day to set up the draft version for approval if he agrees with Gareth. If so, will you look in and consider adding your approval. Thanks. --Anthony.Sebastian 13:55, 18 February 2008 (CST)

I can look in and add my encouragement as an author. :-) Stephen Ewen 13:57, 18 February 2008 (CST)

CZ:Recipe

Please have a look at: CZ:Proposals/Ad_hoc (CZ:Proposals/How_should_we_classify_and_index_recipes?) and please give your comments. Today is supposed to be the last day before it goes to the next step. However, there hasn't been any discussions on it. What do I do next? Supten Sarbadhikari 02:43, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Supten, you might use discretion and increase the period for length of discussion. At the time that proposal was initially made, no one really knew how to work the system, least of all the proposer. A lot still aren't sure. :-) Stephen Ewen 02:48, 19 February 2008 (CST)
Second. Definitely. That's only fair. That was one of the very first proposals, and I for one still don't have my head completely around this. Aleta Curry 14:44, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Hobbies

"My hobbies are...", or, "I enjoy da-da-da and ta-ta-ta as hobbies..." or "As a hobby, I do this." ;) --Robert W King 15:10, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Driving manual

Steve, why don't you propose (and drive) another proposal on Driving proposals? :-) Supten Sarbadhikari 01:06, 20 February 2008 (CST)

Can you make a proposal for that first? :-) Stephen Ewen 03:59, 20 February 2008 (CST)

Deleting an article and renaming another

Stephen: The following too technical for me.

I wish to delete http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:How_to_submit_articles_in_word_processor_format.

And I wish to rename http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Email_us_an_article_in_word_processor_format using the proper naming convention for CZ: type articles.

Will you do those for me. Those involved have no disagreement. Thanks in advance.

I may have to change the link on Main Page after renaming http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Email_us_an_article_in_word_processor_format. --Anthony.Sebastian 19:34, 20 February 2008 (CST)

Well, we can't please 'em all

Think maybe this fellow is having a bad day? Aleta Curry 04:10, 22 February 2008 (CST)

Problem with Daniel Mietchen entry on Editors list

Hi Stephen, User:Daniel Mietchen is incorrectly listed on the page of Editors under the "U" category and I can't seem to edit that particular page. He tried to email the editors but was rejected when his name was not found. Is this something you can fix and correspond with Daniel regarding the fix afterwards? Many thanks. David E. Volk

You can see the fix here - not sure how to ever automate that. Stephen Ewen 13:11, 22 February 2008 (CST)

Thanks Stephen! David E. Volk 13:47, 22 February 2008 (CST)

BTW, one can always search for someone's last name. Stephen Ewen 14:43, 22 February 2008 (CST)

I had no problem finding him on the list, but apparently the moderator of the Editor email list did. :) David E. Volk

Buck Owens

Can you check out this article - Draft:Buck Owens. I have no idea what's going on there. --Todd Coles 22:25, 23 February 2008 (CST)

It was a strange, fannish article, with many strange features that we didn't know what to do with (the original author disappeared) and we moved it into the discussion area to wait while we waited to see if anything else would happen to it. Hayford Peirce 23:13, 23 February 2008 (CST)
Sounds like a reasonable move. Stephen Ewen 23:14, 23 February 2008 (CST)

Did I do this one right?

The process for uploading such images seems to have become awfully complicated... Image:Bessemer_process_1889.gif --Joe Quick 13:03, 25 February 2008 (CST)

That's because that category of image lacks a section at the Upload Wizard, where its very easy. :-) Stephen Ewen 13:33, 25 February 2008 (CST)
Well, the upload wizard and associated process actually made the whole process much harder because it doesn't address such cases. Will it be an option there sometime in the future? I hope so.
Anyway, thanks for touching things up. Did you read the permission email? They asked for the credit line to read a very specific way. Are you sure we shouldn't follow their instructions? --Joe Quick 14:25, 26 February 2008 (CST)

Seems like they confused a credit line with a full citation; the latter is at the image page and can be cited int he article. And yes, plans are for a section for that upload type. It will have the same level of automation as this (you might try an dummy upload with it using Image:Testing_-_1,_2,_3,4.jpg to check it out). Stephen Ewen 15:10, 26 February 2008 (CST)

Talk links in signatures

Well, I was going to ask you how to do this, but I see from a posting further up the page that this has been disabled. Sigh. Why, if you don't mind my asking - was it because people were getting excessively 'cute' with their signatures? I find that talk link very useful (as do many), so is there any chance that someday the software could be mod'd to allow just that option (as a checkbox, like "Raw signatures) - "Add link to talk page in signature", or something like that? J. Noel Chiappa 16:24, 25 February 2008 (CST)

I was going to do something fancy too; guess the kibosh is on it. --Robert W King 16:25, 25 February 2008 (CST)
Sounds like a neat idea.... Feature requests can be addressed to bugs@citizendium.org and to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. Stephen Ewen 16:28, 25 February 2008 (CST)

Approval nomination process?

Hi, could you do me a favour and take a really quick look at CZ_Talk:Approval_Process#Updated nomination instructions - hopefully correctly! (and maybeCZ:Approval_Process too) and tell me if I have correctly worked out (and documented) how the Approval nomination process works now? What was there before didn't seem to match what I was seeing out in the Wiki, so I Was Bold and went ahead and updated the instructions (thinking that if they were wrong, they'd be confusing as all getout to less technical editors). Thanks! J. Noel Chiappa 19:05, 25 February 2008 (CST)

CZ:RBI

Could you restore that? It's a guideline that was under construction. I guess I should've said something. THX! --Greg Pass 20:08, 25 February 2008 (CST)

I can give you the text, but CZ:Proposals is where you would craft such a page, or else in userspace. You might wish to get a good handle on the current system before doing something like that, however. For example, Citizendium does not have Wikipedia-styled "guideline" pages like that, has a rules against shortcut acronyms as was posted there, the constabulary already has clear blocking and vandalism procedures, and the latter has been so negligible as to be not worth mentioning. Stephen Ewen 20:17, 25 February 2008 (CST)


Eduzendium

Hi Stephen, I haven't been participating much as of late due to the demands on new faculty. However, I am going to have my microbiology class participate in eduzendium. [CZ:Biol_201:_General_Microbiology]. I tried contacting various constables about facilitating the registration of my students, but received no reply. Most of the students (~55) will be registering in the next two weeks. I just want to make sure the registration process goes smoothly and that they are registered in a timely manner in order to finish the assignment by the end of april. These students will be registering with emails ending in @qc.cuny.edu I was hoping to touch base with you about this.--John J. Dennehy 15:44, 27 February 2008 (CST)

Great, John, I will let all constables know. Also, for your students' articles, do you wish them to be editable by anyone or only to the assigned student? There ought be some notice atop the article in the case of the former. Stephen Ewen 17:35, 27 February 2008 (CST)
good point. Only student should edit at least until the assignment is over. I'll add a notice to the template. BTW I will be suggesting this template: Biggius microbia --John J. Dennehy 19:25, 27 February 2008 (CST)

Re nominating Life/Draft for approval

Stephen, the approval process (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Approval_Process) allows that three "involved" editors of an article can together nominate a draft version to replace an approved version, without an "uninvolved" editor:

The editorial procedures remain the same as for the original approval. Either one uninvolved editor or three involved editors can call for an article to be approved. They do this by returning to the XYZ/metadata page and fill out the To-Approve section of the template again.

Gareth has indicated he's prepared to approve. If you agree, I'll see if I can figure out how to set the 'to approve' banner with our three usernames.

I'll check back here for your reesponse. --Anthony.Sebastian 17:48, 27 February 2008 (CST)

Remember, I'm not an editor but a constable. I can only encourage as an author. Stephen Ewen 18:23, 27 February 2008 (CST)

Recipes again

Please have a look at CZ:Proposals/Recipes_Subpage_and_Accompanying_Usage_Policy#Next_steps.3F. Supten Sarbadhikari 23:34, 27 February 2008 (CST)

Bonita de Klerk

My student User:Bonita de Klerk says she doesn't have a password yet so can't log in. Is that possible after two weeks? I needed access to her account to upload part of a jointly authored article that was done by her and me - Palau so that the system will give her authorship (by the way an interesting point is that when uploading an original article if two authors have contributed to it the only way I can see to ensure this is noted is by splitting the article and letting each one upload part). Is there any other way you can think of? This is obviously in anticipation that some of us glory mongering credit focused academics can convince Larry to allow credit and citation :-)

Thanks in advance!

Lee R. Berger 06:34, 29 February 2008 (CST)

P.S. there are a few problems with the anthro author page - bonita's name is there twice and we seem to have an abundance of people with the surname "user" ;-)

Lee R. Berger 06:39, 29 February 2008 (CST)

Oh Recipes!

Please have a look at CZ:Proposals/Recipes_Subpage_and_Accompanying_Usage_Policy#Concrete_Steps_Ahead and kindly do the needful. Supten Sarbadhikari 22:24, 2 March 2008 (CST)

Your fair-use proposal

Hello. The proposal record for "Non-comprehensive fair use policy", for which you are listed as driver, says that the next step (community input) was due to be completed 23 February. Could you please update the proposal record on CZ:Proposals/Executive, changing your self-imposed deadline and perhaps the next step? If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask me. Your newly-appointed Proposals Manager, Jitse Niesen 16:24, 3 March 2008 (CST)

Led Zeppelin

Stephen, I just want to thank you for voting for Led Zeppelin in the Draft of the Week. I never expected anyone to vote for it but I do appreciate it :) Thanks! Meg Ireland 17:03, 4 March 2008 (CST)

Authorship and Citation

Hi Stephen,

Will you take a look at this [1]

Lee R. Berger 01:55, 5 March 2008 (CST)

Nah. There has to be an authoritative decision about authorship for it to have, well, authority and thus meaning. We won't know if there will really be ownership issues unless the idea is tested under a scheme traditionally noting authorship. We should not be afraid to run that sort of pilot, I think. I suspect that knol will push CZ to this in the longer run, particularly if the authoring students - the resume-builders themselves - are given choice of where they write. This issue may ultimately boil down to a choice between having contributions chiefly from those for whom attribution is important or those for whom it is not. In any regards, given the real names policy and the practical need to credibly publish to advance careers (coupled with the limited time people have to write), I personally don't see this issue as going away. I myself worry that being cited as "an entry [ Stravenue ] on a user-generated online encyclopedia, Citizendium",[2] will not lend the project to the sort of trustworthiness that will come from, say in this case, naming a geography editor from the Univ of Arizona first and then, again say in this case, Hayford Peirce. Stephen Ewen 02:14, 5 March 2008 (CST)
Naw, it was actually my cat, Leonetta (see portrait at [3]), who did the Stravenue article. She's very good with a computer keyboard but diffident and self-effacing and wanted me to take the credit for her work. I don't know how this will effect my on-going quest for a PhD. at Harvard, however.... Hayford Peirce 09:14, 5 March 2008 (CST)
Meow. Stephen Ewen 13:47, 6 March 2008 (CST)

CZ:Upload-Wizard

I have to say, this looks pretty spiffy. Nice job on that :) Aaron Schulz 10:31, 5 March 2008 (CST)

Thanks! Robert King has helped some. Stephen Ewen 10:10, 6 March 2008 (CST)
I'm actually thinking of changing the format again; possibly with larger icons and smaller text. Maybe we need more, or custom icons? Right now it still looks very "thrown together" or "web 1.0" if you will. --Robert W King 10:16, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Stephen do you think you can find icons that represent the abstractions of

  • "I (as in myself)" - perhaps a silouette pointing to himself, or something like that
  • "Someone else" - maybe a silouette pointing to something else
  • "Reuse with few or no restrictions" - not sure on this one
  • "Professional work" - not sure either.

I'm working on an improved "icon-friendly" version of the upload wizard. --Robert W King 12:35, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Lookin' good! One idea for the ...wish people to reuse my work with few or no restrictions and ...wish to upload a work of professional quality or rarity is to create a graphic for the one saying "Free!" and another saying "Less Free". I'll have to think about ideas for the others.... Stephen Ewen 13:45, 6 March 2008 (CST)
Check it out now. All I gotta do now is add more icons, put the borders right, and figure out that imagemap deal, unless you already know how to execute it? --Robert W King 14:37, 6 March 2008 (CST)
I like it! The borders and centering needs to be made consistent, though. Also, it might be even more clear if each major section has a viewable border. Stephen Ewen 15:24, 6 March 2008 (CST)
I'm not sure how to change the color of that middle line; haven't figured that out yet. Also, what do you mean by centering? None of the text is centered. (Fixed). And when you mean each major section, do you mean the left-right, or each icon? --Robert W King 15:27, 6 March 2008 (CST)
Imagemap isn't working when I try to use [{{fullurl:Special:Upload|uselang=pd-old}}] --Robert W King 17:53, 6 March 2008 (CST)
I mean each icon/text unit when I say major section. This icon could be adapted by changing what appears in the textbox for the two types of self-released uploads. I'm not sure how to deal with Imagemap, perhaps just use the raw URL? Stephen Ewen 17:57, 6 March 2008 (CST)
Using the raw url doesn't work either!!

This might be adapted for the own release upload type. For one you make the green bright, for the less free you make the yellow bright. If need be, images of the icons with the text can be made and imagemap used that way. Stephen Ewen 18:02, 6 March 2008 (CST)

see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ImageMap#Special_chars_in_external_url and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11504 They say fixed, but I claim either we have an outdated version of imagemap or it's B.S. --Robert W King 18:33, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Do the URL's work if you substitute unicode? See this. Stephen Ewen 18:47, 6 March 2008 (CST)

I tried %26 which is & but it wouldn't take it. You give it a shot, maybe I'm trying something wrong.--Robert W King 18:54, 6 March 2008 (CST)
Sounds like you've done everything right and have just run up against that bug. We should probably pester bugs to apply this patch. That'll fix it. Stephen Ewen 20:01, 6 March 2008 (CST)
See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Ampersand_.28.26.29_problem Stephen Ewen 20:25, 6 March 2008 (CST)
Who do we yell at? --Robert W King 21:15, 6 March 2008 (CST)
Our own bugs people to apply that patch/update to the ImageMap extension. Stephen Ewen 22:04, 6 March 2008 (CST)
I emailed the bugs people, and CC'd you on it. I wonder if I should have cc'd Larry also. --Robert W King 11:13, 7 March 2008 (CST)
Meanwhile, could {{Plainlink}} serve as a workaround? Stephen Ewen 01:06, 8 March 2008 (CST)
{{Plainlink}} just provides a link in curly braces, doesn't it? I'm not sure how you would apply it? --Robert W King 07:44, 8 March 2008 (CST)

On the plus side

My long-wished timeline template is shaping up! --Robert W King 16:05, 9 March 2008 (CDT)

You need to look at it in Firefox. let me know if you need a screenshot of the display issue I am seeing. Stephen Ewen 17:35, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
Are you seeing the stem just in the wrong place? If that's all, then I'm not as worried as I was seconds ago before I looked.. --Robert W King 17:36, 9 March 2008 (CDT)

File:Stem-in-wrong-place-inFf-test-image.jpg

I can fix that, but hungry first. --Robert W King 17:45, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
I think I done fix 'er upped! --Robert W King 19:12, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
Indeed! Looks good in IE, too. Stephen Ewen 19:21, 9 March 2008 (CDT)

FYI: feedback proposal

It just occurred to me that I should point you to [| feedback proposal] in case you haven't noticed it and want to fill in why you think feedback should be on approved articles only. Warren Schudy 00:52, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

Credit for adapted diagrams--question

Hi Stephen, in my book you're one of the go-to guys on images and citations but I'm not sure if you check the forums anymore.

If I wanted to create a diagram or illustration in Illustrator that was an adaptation of a well-known diagram (for example, Maslow's hierarchy of needs--basically a needs pyramid), how would I go about citing the original image? My work would be a derivative, but clearly I did not come up with the concept of the hierarchy of needs myself. Would an 'adapted from (reference)' suffice?

Thanks, appreciate your help. Louise Valmoria 02:49, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

Just cite the original work and note your creation is a derivative, as you note. However, this is already available and can be imported without problem, if specifically the Maslow thing is what your are after. Stephen Ewen 04:03, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
Thanks for the advice, and also for your assistance with finding an available Maslow diagram. I am intending to fill out the rest of the motivation article with diagrams explaining the processes and the Maslow diagram is probably the easiest to find, but it does save quite a bit of time knowing that there is already something out there. Some of the other processes are newer or lesser known, so I also needed to know how to go about citing the correct theory originators should I need to make new diagrams. Much appreciated! Louise Valmoria 01:36, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Your fair-use proposal, again

Hi Steve. May I please remind you of my earlier message, dated 3 March, on your proposal "Non-comprehensive fair use policy". As far as I can see, you haven't yet updated the proposal record on CZ:Proposals/Executive, nor have I seen any sign of activity on the proposal page. If nothing happens within a week, I'll have to assume that you are no longer interested in the proposal and thus remove you as its driver, which will render the proposal inactive. That would be a pity given the amount of work that you've put into it. Cheers, Jitse Niesen 09:47, 10 March 2008 (CDT) (Proposals Manager)

DNA/RNA

I'm not sure either, but there is such a thing as RNA! That's as much as I know. --Robert W King 16:14, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

Also, change your clock to reflect DST. I forgot to do mine also. --Robert W King 16:15, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

What would you gentlemen like to know about RNA or DNA? David E. Volk 16:20, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

With regard to a revert at Intelligent design. In the context of that paragraph DNA is definitely correct, however, in the context of first life RNA may well be correct. Intelligent design tends to use modern definitions of life, hence they invoke the impossability of a cell appearing from nowhere. But first life does not have to be cellular. This is the basis of the RNA world hypothesis and probably the reason for the edit you reverted. Chris Day (talk) 16:41, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

FYI: I added an new image to the RNA page showing the primary difference between RNA and DNA. I see now this whole conversation started with a similar switch of words, to the correct one I might add. David E. Volk 16:57, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

I have an undergrad handle on DNA/RNA and have read about the RNA hypothesis in the past (I think its pretty interesting, like most of these things) and have studied the Out of Africa theory (which I find pretty convincing), er, Out of Africa Theory (hint-hint) in some depth. My reversion to DNA seemed correct because of what was stated in the immediately surrounding context. I'll let ya'll hammer it out, though. :-) Stephen Ewen 20:05, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

The simplest organisms don't have DNA. Either the sentence has to be changed by removing the word "simplest" or the word has to be RNA instead of DNA. While the step from organisms with RNA to organisms with also have DNA is certainly interesting and probably challenged by ID-people I think the intent of the sentence is: The genetic information of the simplest (or first) organisms was too complex, to have evolved at random. Those organisms didn't store their genetic information in DNA according to the established scientific worldview that is challenged by intelligent design. Christian Kleineidam 17:21, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

With respect to science there is definitely a consensus that RNA pre-existed DNA, however, whether the first cell existed before DNA is not known as far as I'm aware. The ID article appears to be talking about cells and probably bacteria-like cells. Do ID creationists acknowledge a pre-DNA world? The article cited can be seen here and the minimal set of genes they talk about is definitely for a DNA cell. Chris Day (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

i moved this discussion to Talk:Intelligent_design, it seems more relevant there. Chris Day (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Upload wizard mediawiki pages

I can't edit those because they're locked. That task is all yours :) --Robert W King 20:30, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

The talk pages aren't. :-) Stephen Ewen 20:34, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
Also, we can make it so what is there is transposed from the Template namespace. Which pages you after? All of 'em? Stephen Ewen 20:35, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
E.g., {{Uploadtext-ownwork}} . Stephen Ewen 20:41, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
Um, what? I don't understand? Also, there are only 3 left to do, the copyright-expired (pdold), reusable (reusable), and print source. --Robert W King 20:52, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
Well I understand that but how is that put into context of the upload wizard? --Robert W King 21:10, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
Which specific MediaWiki namespace pages do you want access to? Stephen Ewen 21:17, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
Well technically I don't need access to any of them but there are three mediawiki namespace pages that need revisioning; those are the ones listed on the upload-wizard/sandbox page. --Robert W King 21:19, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

ROFL... See http://www.flickr.com/photos/librarygeek/2074653299/ for an idea for "You authored this...." Stephen Ewen 23:56, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Oops

Yeah; as you can see, I figured it out pretty quickly, though. Sigh, I've been using "jnc" as my username since '77 or so, so it's totally hardwired in my brain now! (And the similarity of CZ to Wikipedia doesn't help, either...) I was slightly cross when Larry said we had to use full names for accounts here! I was always very proud of carrying on the old ITS hacker tradition of using my initials for my account. Oh well. J. Noel Chiappa 21:13, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

LOL, I understand. Stephen Ewen 21:16, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
Once I was at a convention with some guys I knew, and someone cracked a joke. Instead of just laughing, I did a pseudo-laugh while saying "L O L" (like el oh el). It was the most embarassing moment of my life. --Robert W King 21:17, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
LOL...someone else once told me they did the same thing. It could catch on.... Stephen Ewen 21:19, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Count Rumford

Steve, can I use this: http://www.artunframed.com/images/gainsb/rumford1.jpg --Paul Wormer 19:35, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

I can't say "yes" because it's hosted in Britain so there may be an extremely remote issue (photos of PD works can have protections) with you uploading it from the Netherlands. But not with me from the U.S. :-) I'll upload it for you tonight. Stephen Ewen 20:15, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
It so happens that I'm in California right now, but if you do it, it is fine by me. Thank you--Paul Wormer 20:21, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
  • Steven, I would like to use a piece of a table of a book (a translation from the French into English) from 1790. I found the table here:

http://www.chem.yale.edu/~chem125/125/history99/2Pre1800/Lavoisier/Nomenclature/Lavoisier_on_Elements.html

and here (Google/Dover):

http://books.google.nl/books?id=yS_m3PrVbpgC&pg=RA1-PA175&vq=Table+of+simple+substances&source=gbs_search_r&cad=0_2&sig=HtEP0n7R9A8eL8QWjtUZrPFLyMA#PRA1-PA175,M1

The 1790 book was reprinted in facsimile by Dover in 1965. I could also use the original French version:

http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mainzv/exhibit/lavoisier.htm

What do you think copyright-wise? --Paul Wormer 15:03, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

That's Public Domain. Have at it. :-) Stephen Ewen 16:55, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

Spreadsheet

Did you have a chance to look at the spreadsheet? I'm thinking that we could put only the cases where there is no doubt that it is expired on the copyright-expired upload wizard template ( I think I highlighted them with blue ). Maybe keeping it in a table form would work. We could also make a flowchart with just those specific cases. --Robert W King 09:48, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

I'll look at it tonight.... I'm off to get new glasses. Stephen Ewen 12:04, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

Your fair-use proposal, the sequel

Please have another look at it. You put down 15 March as target date for writing the summary, which has now passed. For your convenience, the proposal page is at CZ:Proposals/Non-comprehensive fair use policy and the proposal record it at CZ:Proposals/Executive. -- The Proposals Manager, Jitse Niesen 16:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

Wrong licence on image?

Hi Stephen. Please see Image:Blaas.jpg. The author released it as public domain, which I entered when using the upload wizard, but on that page its appearing as copyrighted to the author. How can I change that? Regards, Anton Sweeney 18:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

That's an issue that requires coding to fix...it's on my list of stuff to do. :-) Stephen Ewen 19:27, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
No worries - the image displays the correct tag anyway when used in an article. Anton Sweeney 17:44, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

Table

Created here:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Robert_W_King/Sandbox#PD_table

On the actual upload page, it should probably say something like

"The following matrix represents the only works that are currently "Public Domain" ." --Robert W King 12:20, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

Please clarify

Stephen, I just uploaded the photoImage:Christchurch Trickling Filters.jpg for use in an article I plan to write. As you can see on the permissions subpage where I provided the complete chain of emails exchanged with the City of Christchurch in New Zealand that ended with granting CZ permission to use that photo, I asked them for permission under a Creative Commons license and they granted permission.

However, when I uploaded the photo, the drop-down licensing options only included copyright options ... there were no Creative Commons options. So I selected a copyright option which is more restrictive than a CC license.

But why are there no Creative Commons options? Please explain. - Milton Beychok 00:35, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

According to the correspondence, they did not release it under a Creative Commons license but only gave permission. That's fine, and you documented the photo perfectly.  :-) Stephen Ewen 02:21, 25 March 2008 (CDT)

Credit Proposal

You wrote: "I'll drive if: 1) the 3 author rule is removed and replaced with nothing; 2) the result is a citation, but also includes the verbiage welcoming other contribs below it. Stephen Ewen 21:12, 29 March 2008 (CDT) "

The second proposal already has these I think. Even if it doesn't, go ahead and make those changes and drive! If someone strenuously objects, they can make proposal #3 or negotiate with you. -Warren Schudy 11:00, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

Second the motion! What did you think of my suggested new wording for what the template inserts (basically adding a pre-cooked citation, as you desired). J. Noel Chiappa 13:02, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

I need one of those callout boxes so help! as the Beatles said

I'm addressing this to Steve, Rob, or whoever reads this and can help.

In response to a suggestion for the Rottweiler article, I'd like to see THIS SECTION and the two whelping photographs put into one of those boxes some of the articles have.

My reason is that the information is not integral to the narrative but is nevertheless useful and interesting, and I also like the tone in which it's written. For more, see David's comments on the TALK PAGE.

I can't do the markup myself, that sort of thing makes me ill, so help, someone, pretty please?

Aleta Curry 23:01, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

Chris came to the rescue. Grateful thanks.Aleta Curry 04:28, 1 April 2008 (CDT)

A joy....

....to use your upload wizard. Such a great tool. Thanks. Chris Day 03:02, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

Images of book covers

Stephen: Can we show images of book covers now? If so, can we crop and show only selected segment of cover? --Anthony.Sebastian 17:06, 4 April 2008 (CDT)

I would argue “fair use” for CZ authors/editors to reproduce book cover images in these cases:

  • One uses a scanned image of a book cover one owns, scan produced by the owner, owner specifies no reuse by others except when used in Citizendium articles, that specification always shown with the image, the image always a thumbnail;
  • One uses a captured screen image of a book cover on a publisher’s website, shows it as a thumbnail, and specifies the publisher’s name and the website URL containing the image;
  • One uses a captured screen image of a book cover on a booksellers website, so long as the bookseller remains non-identifiable/non-linkable from the image, shows it as a thumbnail, and specifies no reuse by others except when used in Citizendium articles, that specification always shown with the image. --Anthony.Sebastian 18:28, 4 April 2008 (CDT)
It would of course be fair use, in my view. Stephen Ewen 00:56, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

Dear Stephen,

I am a little worried about my article's images, I was following the image wizard and copying the information from the public domain about the image, the name I used to credit the image was listed as the image's: "author" I thought those were their real names... I'm really new to this stuff so I appreciate the advice. Thanks,

Corinne

You'r own work?

Hey Stephen,

Sorry, I was wondering what to do if it's your own work (that's not in a Creative Commons)? For example my image for my bio is a picture I took, or if I draw a orbital motion and then take a picture and upload it to my computer. How do you credit your own work? Thanks again!

Corinne

Michael Faraday

Dear Stephen, you are good in finding portraits. Could you find a portrait of Michael Faraday? --Paul Wormer 19:16, 8 April 2008 (CDT)

Well, I love the one currently in the article. Very nice. Stephen Ewen 22:05, 9 April 2008 (CDT)
When I asked you this, Richard Jensen had not yet added that picture and also I didn't know that he intended to add one. Sorry for bothering you for nothing.--Paul Wormer 20:29, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
well actually I was given the idea by Paul's request here. Richard Jensen 21:35, 10 April 2008 (CDT)

Stephen could I use this photo ? --Paul Wormer 12:35, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

Fair Use

Do I upload photos from this site as fair use or something else? I'm not sure what the disclaimer requires of me/us. http://academic.reed.edu/uxmal/copyright.html --Joe Quick 11:01, 9 April 2008 (CDT)

Dunno, don't recall. I myself would not hesitate to use any photos there, however. Stephen Ewen 22:05, 9 April 2008 (CDT)

'Tombstone' page?

I assume Onslow Beach/Tester2 is now no longer needed, and should be deleted? J. Noel Chiappa 15:51, 11 April 2008 (CDT)

PS: Time to archive your Talk: page... :-) J. Noel Chiappa 15:51, 11 April 2008 (CDT)

Eduzendium

I'm having trouble getting help getting a student registered. His name is alvaro cardona <dariuscardona@yahoo.com> and he says he submitted a registration request but never heard back. --John J. Dennehy 14:19, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

Drop of 'title' Question

Hi Stephen, when I registered, I assumed that I need to include my title - since in Germany, the moment you receive your doctorate, it is an official part of your name that you can't usually miss (it is even entered into your passport). You can, of course, drop my title in my name - could you please assist me how to manage that? All the best for now, Raphael. ...said Raphael D Thöne, Ph.D. (talk) 06:20, 15 April 2008 (Please sign your talk page posts by simply adding four tildes, ~~~~.)

New user name

Stephen, take a look here. Thanks, D. Matt Innis 07:50, 15 April 2008 (CDT)

Another one for the name changer. D. Matt Innis 16:36, 26 September 2008 (CDT)

Please see my questions on the Forum

Stephen:

When you have the time, please look at the questions I asked here in the Images section of the forums. No rush, but I would like whatever answers you can give. Thanks in advance, Milton Beychok 11:13, 18 April 2008 (CDT)

Your help please...

If I am not mistaken you are an image expert.

Could you please explain the notes on Image:Peterborough Lift Lock, partway through cycle.jpg?

Did I upload an image that can't be used here?

The 150kb guideline, is that merely for the convenience of readers, who might have a slow connection? In which case it was okay that the first version I uploaded was 400K? Or is the concern over the capacity of the image server?

Thanks! George Swan 16:12, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

It's fine, and just ignore the size limit. Stephen Ewen 11:59, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

Hilarious

I know this is WP related, but you have got to check out this exchange. This is the funniest bit:

Clay Shirky is NOT a recognized authority on Citizendium. QuackGuru (talk) 21:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC) 
:Even if he is not that's not an issue here. -- Taku (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC) 
::This issue issue here. Per WP:EL#AVOID, the blog is not a recognized authority. QuackGuru (talk) 23:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC) 
:::Like I said, WP:EL#AVOID is merely a guideline. -- Taku (talk) 05:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 
::::WP:EL#AVOID is a guideline we should comply with. QuackGuru (talk) 06:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 
:::::And I have already responded to this. Please, I'm getting tired of repeating myself. -- Taku (talk) 06:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 
::::::Policy or the guideline is applicable to this case. We should comply with Wikipedia policy and not ignore it. QuackGuru (talk) 09:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 
:::::::Which policy? -- Taku (talk) 21:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 
::::::::WP:EL#AVOID QuackGuru (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 
:::::::::But it's not a policy :) -- Taku (talk) 22:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 
::::::::::We should comply with this guideline. QuackGuru (talk) 22:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC) 

It's so just "spinning-the-wheels" but I love it. --Robert W King 13:08, 24 April 2008 (CDT)

ROFL. Crystal ksmiletris.png Stephen Ewen 23:21, 24 April 2008 (CDT)

Also...

I'm working on something and would like to know if you want to assist. The section is under CZ_Talk:Workgroup_Weeks "What else"; let me know if you're interested. Also, we need to finish the upload wizard! --Robert W King 09:29, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

strings extension

There has been some talk of trying to push to get the strings package added to CZ...any idea how something like that might happen?--David Yamakuchi 20:17, 3 May 2008 (CDT)

Email tools@citizendium.org Stephen Ewen 14:01, 4 May 2008 (CDT)

Changes

Just asking, when I was not at CZ for months, are there any significant changes in policy and content here? Regards. Yi Zhe Wu 12:22, 17 May 2008 (CDT)

Move lock

Hi - no hurry, but can you lift the move lock on the morphology article. We want to move it for disambiguation purposes. Thanks. John Stephenson 02:46, 15 June 2008 (CDT)

Done! Stephen Ewen 15:21, 15 June 2008 (CDT)

Wikipedia

Hi Steve,
It looks like there have been some fairly extensive edits to improve the Tecún Umán article over at Wikipedia. They have obviously been using our article to do this, because they are now citing many of the sources that I had considerable trouble getting my hands on when I was first composing our article. I think there may also be some copyright violations (have a look at recent edits). I'm glad that someone is paying attention but the copyright issues are obviously not acceptable. How do we go about fixing that?
Thanks much,
--Joe Quick 17:01, 18 June 2008 (CDT)

Let me look.... Stephen Ewen 18:12, 18 June 2008 (CDT)
Thanks, Steve. I know you've had contact with people over there who responded to similar situations very professionally before. See, specifically, the section on historical evidence. Where the text mirrors our article exactly but does not give credit. --Joe Quick 10:49, 23 June 2008 (CDT)
See here. Let me know if you want to do anything more. It would be fully justifiable, for example, to simply revert to the point where the rip off began. Stephen Ewen 14:04, 23 June 2008 (CDT)
Thanks again. I don't need any personal credit, so I changed the citation to simply read "Citizendium contributors". I removed references to our article where the information in question is common knowledge and our article probably didn't tell the author anything new and also changed a few references to cite other sources for the benefit of the reader. I guess we'll just have to wait and see whether any of this stuff sticks... --Joe Quick 12:48, 24 June 2008 (CDT)
This is great. I'd be unhappy if after all of our hard work Wikipedia says "today we copied all of their approved articles, & then we 'flagged' them so we're basically as good as Citizendium if not better (& we think we are too)" (Chunbum Park 13:34, 24 June 2008 (CDT))

Way to go!

Steve, that was great about the email from Trinity Church. That says something for sure. D. Matt Innis 07:35, 23 June 2008 (CDT)

Crystal ksmiletris.png Stephen Ewen 18:39, 23 June 2008 (CDT)

video copyright

Hi Stephen, First, very impressed with the e-mail matt mentions above. Second I just put a video onto the Biology/Video subpage as an experiment. One problem is that an older version that i had booked marked appears to have been removed due to copyright infringement. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxSLw1LMvgk What do we need to do to get access to this video? I assume we can't link to anything on youtube. If they give us permission would we host it? Third, note that the video subpage curretnly say these are CZ hosted, yet we are actually linking to youtube, so far. Should we change that header to something more generic? Or is our long term goal to host everything here? Chris Day 01:44, 26 June 2008 (CDT)

Is an image obtained from a U.S. patent published online considered Public Domain?

Stephen, I found an image (that I want to use for a CZ article) in a patent published online (U.S. Patent 6915662) at this url. I have re-drawn it completely to enhance it and to change the measurement units from USA units to metric units ... but it is still basically the same as in the patent.

Would my drawing be considered Public Domain? And how should I word the credit line? Should I credit it to the U.S. Patent Office, or to the specific patent number, or the names of the inventors?

Thanks in advance, Milton Beychok 16:57, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

An image obtained from a U.S. patent published online would be Public Domain only if the image is the intellectual creation of the U.S. gov. You know when this is the case if it is the intellectual creation of a U.S. gov employee in the course of their official duties. Stephen Ewen 01:14, 6 July 2008 (CDT)
By the way, for what its worth, for images that merely depict factual info of something that has passed into common use, I'd personally not be concerned one bit about just using it here under fair use. There's nothing creative about the image, it's just facts. That said, it's so small I can't read it without squinting, and even then its blurry and not at all pleasurable to view, and I have a high quality monitor. Stephen Ewen 01:23, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

See

Talk:LeStudio1.com --Robert W King 12:09, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

Thx. Userfied. Stephen Ewen 14:09, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

Many excellent free photos at www.morguefile.com

Stephen:

There are a great many excellent photos available for free use at www.morguefile.com. Their terms of use license agreement is available at License agreement

Are you familiar with them? I have written them an email asking specically if we are free to use any of their photos on CZ. I will email you a copy of their response when I get it.

I would appreciate your comments concerning their terms of use license agreement. It would be a great resource if we can use their photos. Regards, -Milton Beychok 14:11, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

Be careful! I have tried to go to that site three times now, twice with IE and once with Firefox, and all three times it takes me to:
and a warning from Micro Trend PC-Cillin pops up and tells me that this is a "dangerous" phishing site.... Hayford Peirce 14:59, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
The link is incorrect. Milt typed "www.morgue.file.com" as the destination for the link when he meant "www.morguefile.com" --Joe Quick 16:28, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
Thanks, Joe. I have fixed my mistake now and the link now works correctly. What do you think of that site? Milton Beychok 17:07, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
The terms look fine to me. Many of the photographers ask to be notified when their works are used but, of course, that is only fair. Just check the darker tan strip above the photo for any special requests by the person who originally submitted the file. --Joe Quick 17:24, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
Stephen, I just uploaded Industrial air pollution source.jpg which I obtained from the www.morguefile.com website. All the author of the photo asked was to be notified by email about the upload and that he be included in the credit line ... and he said even that wasn't mandatory. I will send him an email and will include him in the credit line.
When I uploaded the drawing, I used the option offered in the Upload-Wizard that was entitled: Some other internet source that features re-usable media and I also selected {{Test-template}} as the licensing option. Everything went well and the image was uploaded. However, there seems to be no way to create a credit line when using that option from the Upload-Wizard. I have tried everything I could think of but have been unable to create a credit line for the uploaded photo. Can you help get that done? I would like it to read: "© Kenn Kiser". I would like to get this done as soon as you can, so that I can send Ken Kiser the notification email he asked for. Thanks a bunch, Milton Beychok 22:27, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
I'll tidy up over the weekend. You did the right thing. Stephen Ewen 23:01, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

There are some great photos there that I'd very much like to use. The files are generally large however, and I guess will generally need to be included at lower resolution - if so, how should they be credited? Gareth Leng 03:49, 9 July 2008 (CDT)

Attribute to author; link to location of photo. Stephen Ewen 22:51, 11 July 2008 (CDT)

Morguefile template

I made {{Morguefile}} and it can be selected from Special:Upload but not from the Wizard yet. Stephen Ewen 22:51, 11 July 2008 (CDT)

could you delete a page?

Hello Mr. Ewen,

could you delete this page please? Thank you very much. (Chunbum Park 10:08, 17 July 2008 (CDT))

Hi Chunbum. Done. Crystal ksmiletris.png Stephen Ewen 00:58, 18 July 2008 (CDT)
Gratias tibi ago. (Chunbum Park 08:35, 18 July 2008 (CDT))

Can you re-name an image for me, please?

Stephen, could you re-name Image:Relative Volatility vsT&P.png to Image:Relative Volatilty vs T&P.png? I goofed and did not put a space between "vs" and "T&P". Thanks mucho in advance, Milton Beychok 00:58, 18 July 2008 (CDT)

Just re-upload it with the name you want and place {{speedydelete|Duplicate image}} on the wrongly named one. Stephen Ewen 14:41, 19 July 2008 (CDT)

helix: GOOD!

Stephen, I love the DNA helix animation! Thanks for uploading that.Pat Palmer 08:31, 18 July 2008 (CDT)

Thanks! That thing was quite the challenge to make.... Stephen Ewen 14:40, 19 July 2008 (CDT)

Category Help requests

Stephen, I asked you a question under "category help requests", but because I'm not sure that is the right place and will reach you, I mention it here. --Paul Wormer 10:00, 21 July 2008 (CDT)

I'll look into getting one this weekend... Stephen Ewen 18:01, 22 July 2008 (CDT)

User rename

Hi Stephen, here's one for your magic touch [4]

Done. Stephen Ewen 21:17, 9 August 2008 (CDT)

Image use

Stephen, can I use this picture? D. Matt Innis 21:46, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

Yep. --Joe Quick 22:01, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
Thanks Joe! Keep an eye on me to make sure I do it right... it's been awhile! D. Matt Innis 22:15, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
Wow, that was so much easier than a year ago! Way to go guys... D. Matt Innis 22:47, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

Images in Neanderthal: permissions?

Stephen: Re the images in Neanderthal: does CZ have permission to reproduce them? Not clear to me that proper permission obtained. Anthony.Sebastian 19:48, 8 August 2008 (CDT)

Photo from www.freefoto.com

Stephen:

There is a very good picture of a gas flare that I would very much like to use at here

Their rules for using a free photo can be read at here and my interpretation is that CZ would be free to use the photo. If you agree, after reading the rules, would you be so kind as upload it into CZ as [[Image:Gas Flare.jpg]] so that I can use it?

If you disagree, please let me know. Thanks very much, Milton Beychok 17:11, 10 August 2008 (CDT)

Yep, just credit both the source and the author by name (upload at Special:Upload choose and at step 5 select attribution under "Other high free"). And it'd be great to crop out their overkill water mark! Stephen Ewen 20:45, 10 August 2008 (CDT)

question...

Say, did you ever finish that tool to aid uploads? Thanks! George Swan 19:13, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

No, wanna help? :-) Stephen Ewen 22:05, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

Would you please read the forum thread about the Global warming article?

Stephen, as one of our Constables, would you please read this thread here on the forums about the neutrality of the Global warming external article ported here from Wikipedia? Do you think some action should or should not be taken? I will await your response in that thread on the forums.Thanks in advance. Milton Beychok 15:04, 13 August 2008 (CDT)

The content is for the relevant editors to work out, Constables deal with behavior only. Cheers, Stephen Ewen 21:49, 19 August 2008 (CDT)


McIntosh apples

Hi, Stephen. Thanks for having a look at the article on apples. Small thing, really, but the spelling is "McIntosh" for the apple, so the header is wrong, not the spelling in the article. Is that something you can fix? Sorry to be a pain in the nethers, but hey, someone has to do it! PS: Is there some way I have to put the date and time after my user link at the end of this, or is that automated? Newbie alert! Newbie alert! ;-) David H. Barrett

Rename User

Hi Stephen, This user needs a rename from User:Raul Saias Lopez Aedo to User:Raul Isaias Lopez Aedo. Thanks, D. Matt Innis 10:14, 30 September 2008 (CDT)

Need info about photos on Flickr

Stephen, how does one determine whether or not a photo found on Flickr may or may not be used in CZ? I haven't been able to figure that out. Milton Beychok 15:09, 4 October 2008 (CDT)

Image copyright question

Stephen, am I right in thinking that copyright expires after 75 years (specifically in Ireland and the UK)? Reason I'm asking is that there are plenty of old photos available online I'd like to use, on Irish figures and history, but I'm not sure if I can grab them or not. Thanks, Anton Sweeney 15:47, 5 October 2008 (CDT)

CV

Hello. I have written my bio to be editor again, but I dont know if you have my CV or not, so let me know if you need it or if I sent it to you before. Thanks in advance, Jesus Prieto-Lloret

Please look at [[Image:Periodictable V2.jpg]]

Stephen, please look at this image ... it refers to the copyright holder as "GPDL" which doesn't make sense to me and it has no credit line at all. Is that kosher? Could you legitimize the copyright holder, the licensing choice and the credit line? Thanks, Milton Beychok 03:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

One-time pad

I notice an ancient comment from you, User_talk:Sandy_Harris#one-time_pad. Does One-time_pad as it now is make sense to you? Sandy Harris

Hello!

Well, there's a sight for sore eyes! Are you back for awhile? School over? Where the heck have you been!!! D. Matt Innis 21:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Getting a PhD. in copyright law, I hope, hehe! Hayford Peirce 21:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Wherever you've been and whatever you've been doing, welcome back! Your expertise has been sorely missed! Milton Beychok 22:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Restart of proposal system

Hello. Due to a lack of activity and attention on my part, the Proposal System has ground to a halt and discussion on all proposals has stopped. I decided to clean out the system by marking all proposals as inactive and removing their drivers. This also happened to your proposal "Non-comprehensive fair use policy". I would be delighted if you decide that you want to take the proposal up again. You can do this by updating the proposal record, which can now be found at CZ:Proposals/Driverless. Please do not hesitate to ask if anything is unclear. Yours, Jitse Niesen 22:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC) (Proposals Manager)

PD... but not?

Stephen, I wonder if you could have a look at this forum discussion and let me know how something can be in the Public Domain and yet still require attribution, with templates such as {{PD-butclaim}}? Thanks, Caesar Schinas 06:36, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

As I understand it, proprietary rights are an additional layer of legal claims that people have (controversially) asserted over top of copyright. Whereas the original work (e.g., a physical photo) may be in the public domain, and all that that implies, there are financial costs associated with digitizing and hosting such images on the web. So some people add "requests" related to what they assert as proprietary rights, while some such as Corbit go much further and argue that their asserted proprietary rights PLUS their mere watermark on a PD image constitutes a new copyright (not that this would necessarily legally hold water, I am just describing arguments). The idea behind the template is to inform the reader about these claims over an image rather than play lawyer, judge and jury over the matter. My philosophy has been to inform people about what people say about an image as acquired from the source it has been acquired from, and let them make up their own minds. At core, we still use the image image and perhpas avoid ruffling anayone's feathers, and that's what ultimately matters. Stephen Ewen 06:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I see. Perhaps that could be made clearer in the template or its documentation; I'll have a go...
Thanks for the explanation.
Caesar Schinas 06:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, when people who undergo costs associated with digitizing and hosting an image request attribution, it very strongly seems to me a common courtesy and a way to very appropriately honor providers with attribution for such when they request it. Put yourself in their shoes and you'd agree, and my philosophy is to keep image providers happy so they provide more. :-) Stephen Ewen 06:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I absolutely agree with that. Even for completely free works it's nice to credit the provider. I was just wondering what the legal issues were. Caesar Schinas 07:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Just to be clear about my last post, I am asserting it about those who undergo costs associated with digitizing and hosting PD images. I believe that it is a wholly appropriate an honorable thing to meet whatever is their reasonable requests when reusing the image. Because we would not even have it but for them!
For example: Peter Kazowski is a fan of 18th century Polish art. For U.S. $1,500 he buys a long out-of-print book with images of such, and over 1000 hours digitizes the photos of artwork, all PD. He then takes out polish-art.com to display his digitizations. As part of his site, he includes a "Terms of Use", which is an assertion of contract law (if you use my site then you agree to these terms) and proprietary rights ( I own this domain and digitized these images). He also sells large resolution images of his digitization (if you want a big image of a piece, pay me and I'll send it).
A CZ user decides that one of the smaller images at polish-art.com is good for an article on Polish history and includes it. Within the Terms of Use of the site, however, Mr. Kazowski states, "When reusing any images hosted at this site, you agree to attribute polish-art.com and include a link to polish-art.com."
See?
While Mr. Kazowski's requests may be legally questionable, it is moral to accede to his wishes. In such a case, we take the higher road. Mr. Kazowski's requests seem entirely reasonable, so we simply do as he has asked to keep him happy and honor his work, and to motivate similar people to provide images to the world as he has done.
Stephen Ewen 07:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I did understand your first explanation, and I do agree that in a case such as your (very good) example the provider should certainly be credited, even though we're not legally obliged to do so.
I just hadn't originally realised this was the purpose of those templates; I'd thought it was a legal thing. Now I understand.
Thanks for the explanations.
Caesar Schinas 07:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Upload Wizard

Hi Stephen,
What do you think of my initial draft of a new, simplified upload wizard, at User:Caesar_Schinas/Upload?
Oh, and I ought to let you know that I have made quite a few changes to the code behind the existing one, in case you wonder what's going on when you next look at it...
Caesar Schinas 17:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm partial to the icons. They work with the way our brains work with associations and speed functioning significantly, in the same way a compuiter with a graphical and not text-only interface does. Stephen Ewen 23:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Stephen, I've only just noticed your reply. The new wizard has since been completely redesigned - see CZ:Upload - and everyone who has seen it likes it.
I suppose I could add icons to the new wizard fairly easily, and I am not opposed to the concept, but I think that many of the existing icons are pretty much unrelated to the action which they represent. Of course, things like Wikimedia and Flickr have obvious icons, but what do you use as an icon for "I am the copyright holder" - or "I am not the copyright holder", for that matter! We would need to compile a comprehensive set of icons for every option, rather than adding icons to everything just for the sake of it even if those icons were less than relevant.
Anyway, for now, I think the new wizard is complete (tweaks can still be made, of course), and everyone who has looked at it seems to approve.
Unless anyone objects, the new wizard will go live later today or tomorrow morning.
Caesar Schinas 07:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Very nice java work, Ceasar.  :-)

I wonder if you can create a tick box, Is this photo of a human subject? that, if ticked, would insert {{privacyrights}}.

Icons for I am the copyright holder might depict one person; the other, two persons. Icons do speed usage. Imagine if your computer desktop only used text and no icons!

Stephen Ewen 02:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Hi, Stephen. I didn't realize you were back. Welcome! Welcome! Milton Beychok 03:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey! I'm just droppin in because Ceasar asked me a question about the Wizard. Stephen Ewen 03:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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Article 54

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welcome back?!

Stephen, I hope you are able to participate again. You've been missed by me!Pat Palmer 20:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks Quiet

I was just checking in to see how things were going, looking at recent changes and such. I've done this from time-to-time over the past two years plus. It seems like the project has been stuck in sort of a rut for a long time. :-(

I have ideas to breath new life in to the project and would consider donating some time to put feet to them. Email me if you think the ideas might be worth considering: stephen.ewen AT gmail.com

Stephen Ewen 07:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Still here. :) We roll on a 'consensus' model now with a simpler policy list that reduces everything else to guidance. Why not come back? John Stephenson (talk) 17:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Planning/advisory panel

Hi Stephen, We're putting together a non-public Google group where some of us can brainstorm about how this wiki might develop in the future. I was hoping you'd be willing to join the group and advise. If you are, please email manager A T citizendium.org so that we can add or invite you to the group (CZ-Advisory Panel).Pat Palmer (talk) 02:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

You are missed!

Stephen, I saw you dropped by and wanted to say hello. You are missed! We're slowly building a core group of writers again. I'm still hoping to get the software upgraded and the non-profit status worked out. Would love to see you back in the wiki. Pat Palmer (talk) 15:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Pat! Stephen Ewen (talk)
Hi back at you. Hope this finds you thriving. How are you faring this 2nd COVID winter? All well here. It's a good time to stay home and write peacefully in CZ. Pat Palmer (talk) 23:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)