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Kind Regards, Robert Tito |  Talk  18:28, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Thanks-from the USA!

As we have said on the CZ:Notice_Board (April 1, 2007), thanks for fixing that article. Everybody appreciates it. Nancy Sculerati 09:15, 2 April 2007 (CDT)

You're welcome! For those coming in late who are as puzzled as I was, you have to read back to March 29th on the notice board, where United States of America was pointed out as an example of an article that didn't have a workgroup. Lesson for everyone: watch the notice board! You, too, can be a winner! Petréa Mitchell 21:52, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

John Logie Baird

Deaar Petréa Mitchell: Please change your erroneous tags on the article John Logie Baird. There have been substantial changes, and considerable thought has gone into the current and future iterations of this article. I am not a fan of these tags, but if they must be placed, at least let them be accurate, lest an important step forward end up being deleted or misrecognized. I would change them myself, but don't have a grasp of (or really an interest in) figuring out how to use them, but if you could change the tag to reflect the substantial changes, I'd be grateful. Russell Potter

That kind of talk can only lead to tutorials. Continued your talk page... Petréa Mitchell 20:50, 4 April 2007 (CDT)
Petréa -- thanks so much -- I think I am getting the hang of it! Russell Potter

Untagging articles

Hi Petréa,

Just a quick note -- I noticed this with a couple of articles I've worked on, and it might be the case with some others you're untagging as "Live" -- please have a look at the article's history page, as in some cases a fair amount of work has been done, although not instantly detectable by a quick visual glance at the CZ and WP versions. In other cases, even though it appears that the article has been ported directly from WP, you might need to double-check, as in at least one instance I know of (The Frozen Deep) there are articles which *started* on CZ, and were then ported to WP, so that the WP looks the same because it was copied from the CZ, not vice-versa. Thanks!! Russell Potter 13:23, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

I am in fact doing this, and have added the CZ Live tag to a couple articles today on the basis of comments in the history. If there is nothing to give me direction in the history or on the talk pages, I will guess that it started on Wikipedia. Checking differences, between the pages, the guideline at The Big Cleanup is three significant changes from the WP article to make it live. I may be using a more conservative definition of "significant" than you. I'm not going to put up a big fight over the "Live" tag going back on-- if the articles are being worked on actively enough for someone to notice changes this quickly, then they'll probably be "Live" by everyone's definition soon enough. Petréa Mitchell 13:34, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
Hi Petréa -- hey, you're doing important maintenance here, and sometimes seeing an entry that I'd worked on before get tagged makes me realize I ought to get back and do some more work on it :-)
But the article that moved me to write, Minik Wallace, did have several edits that would, I think, be considered substantial: first it was moved to CZ, then tagged as live, then I made a major edit with eight new phrases and nine new sentences at various points, and then a minor edit, then a copyedit with some rewording, then added a new phrase in the first paragraph, then four more relatively minor edits (one of which added a wikilink, one of which added an alternative spelling of the subject's name). Maybe it was the fact that one of the saves I made contained so many changes, but scattered about in different parts of the entry, that made it seem less substantial.
I just think it's important to be cautious when one sees an entry that has had some attention from a CZ author or editor before one just untags it. The article checklist can signal when more work is needed (and will flag anyone who has the entry on their watchlist), without the risk of having the most recent version of an article lost in a cleanup. Russell Potter 14:46, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

Disambiguation pages

Hi Petréa, I've been meaning to tell you "thanks" for all your work on the Big Cleanup. It's been great to see the proportion of checklisted articles go up, and you have a lot to do with that.

I noticed that you placed a checklist on Talk:Georgia (disambiguation). We shouldn't put checklists on disambiguation pages at all; they're not articles. (I'm open to debate on this point, I admit it isn't obvious.) --Larry Sanger 16:10, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

I'd be happy to not put checklists on them-- it's really hard to figure out what workgroup they should be filed under. Petréa Mitchell 21:41, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

You an animal with the BCU project!!

good job! wow! (BCU=Big Clean Up)-Tom Kelly (Talk) 13:12, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Thanks! Being stuck at home with the lingering remnants of a nasty cold turns out to have its upside. Petréa Mitchell 13:15, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
Hi Petréa. I noticed you are very busy with the big clean up - and thank you, it is very appreciated. As you go along, do me a favor and keep these criteria in mind and tag things as appropriate for deletion with {{bsd}}. Thanks! ----Stephen Ewen 13:27, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
Do you mean {{speedydelete}}? {{bsd}} just seems to cause the message "Template: bsd"...
I'm trying to be very conservative about marking things for deletion. Most of the articles I see that aren't live do have some changes, so I try to be as generous as possible in assuming that someone is working on the article, and it could become live at any moment. Especially after the scolding above. :-/ Petréa Mitchell 13:39, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
Marking them {{speedydelete}} does not mean they will be deleted. It means a constable will come along and determine if it really should be done. Stephen Ewen 18:06, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
I know that, but the amount of ire in my direction for tagging a page with that when whoever has been sporadically working on it feels it should not qualify seems like it wouldn't change much whether it was actually deleted or not. Petréa Mitchell 11:26, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for cleanup


I noticed you did a clean-up of the initial hero entry that I put in based on the Wikipedia article. Thanks for the work! Blessings, - Eric

You're welcome! Petréa Mitchell 14:14, 12 May 2007 (CDT)

Someone made an incorrect copy of Wikipedia

I had to re-do your clean-up work, because someone made an incorrect copy of Wikipedia (i.e. without citations). See talk:HinduismAndries 06:38, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Did we get a decision on "self-promotion"...?

...with respect to organizations one is involved with? It seems to me you asked a question with respect to writing about a sci-fi convention, and I piggy-backed on it.

I have no idea where the original discussion was or if we've received an answer. (this is my biggest web/wiki type problem--where the heck *was* that?!

If you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, my dear Ms Mitchell, just ignore me and I'll go away.... Aleta Curry 23:08, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Would constables consider the article merely an act of self-promotion (see CZ:Article Deletion Policy)? If not, you are safe in that regard. ---Stephen Ewen 00:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Aye, there's the rub: the Deletion Policy refers one to the policy on self-promotion for further info, and vice versa. However, I found the original query, (totally by accident) atCZ Talk:Topic Informant Workgroup, together with an answer from a higher-up, so I'm a happy camper for now. Aleta Curry 16:46, 2 June 2007 (CDT)


Chase down Hayford ;) for the disambig page breaking (but you didn't hear that from me!) --Robert W King 15:53, 7 October 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I saw that in my watchlist, but I figured a suggestion in the editing comment might make an incrementally larger difference by reaching a wider audience. I'm glad to see at least someone read it. :-) Petréa Mitchell 16:17, 7 October 2007 (CDT)


Your recent uploads are great photo's. They will make their associated articles much better. Chris Day (talk) 21:54, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

Thank you! I'm trying to get them associated with some articles right now. Petréa Mitchell 11:51, 14 October 2007 (CDT)
I noticed the sqaush article just got updated. These picture make a huge difference to the quality of the article. I'm inspired to write a bit a bout squash shape genetics or would that be a bit too geeky for the article :). With respect to the approval page. That is a central location for each article that is used to document the approval events. For an example see Biology/Approval. The logic for going this route is that we wanted to have the approval decisions more transparent and not hidden away in the talk page history. Chris Day (talk) 12:14, 14 October 2007 (CDT)
Ah, thanks for explaining that. I think a few words explaining the genetics behind the huge variation in squash would not be amiss. I didn't know until yesterday that you could get *blue* squash... Petréa Mitchell 13:10, 14 October 2007 (CDT)
I have to concur that you have an amazing collection of produce photos (and I'm hoping for more than just edibles!) --Robert W King 22:36, 24 October 2007 (CDT)


Excellent use of the gallery subpage option too. I'm going to enjoy watching your progress here. :) Chris Day (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2007 (CDT)


Hi Petrea,

Just saw your lovely start on turnip.

I have asked some questions at the talk page, due to two separate sets of CZ discussions, one having to do with English language variants, and one having to do with species naming.

I'm asking the biologists to be across it because otherwise we're going to have inconsistency in namespaces.

Just FYI.

Aleta Curry 22:46, 14 October 2007 (CDT)


I think the baseball cap and the "flappy" hat are great ;). I'm going to use them both once I find out the name of the "flappy" hat. --Robert W King 09:13, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

It's called a "Ushanka" which apparently in russian translates to almost literally "flappy ears hat". --Robert W King 09:17, 30 October 2007 (CDT)


Hi Petrea--don't forget the party! Aleta Curry 16:11, 6 November 2007 (CST)

Don't forget the December party!

Hi Petrea--Your friendly neighbourhood Mistress of Ceremonies here, reminding you about the December write-a-thon! Please drop by and add yourself to the list of partiers--or non party-goers--as the case may be. You can leave a comment, question or excuse there, too--or talk to me Aleta Curry 01:59, 5 December 2007 (CST)


Hi Petréa, I noticed (just idly checking Joe Quick's work) that you wrote a bunch of articles about food--well done--but you marked them as status = 2 when it should be status = 3. Stubs are 3, articles over, say, 150 words are 2. (You could look up the exact word count.) --Larry Sanger 23:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)

I'm sure when I first got here I read some documentation that said stubs were 50 words or less. CZ:The Article Checklist now says 100. Is that wrong? Petréa Mitchell 17:45, 23 December 2007 (CST)

Party! You're invited!

Hi Petria! Yes, it’s Party Day, and here’s your friendly reminder that the FEBRUARY PARTY is on, and we’d love to see you there! Come join in the general fun. Aleta Curry 15:43, 6 February 2008 (CST)

Write a thon dispensation

Yo! It is I, Aleta, again! Another month, another write-a thon.
I know Wednesdays are a bad day for you, sooo....Write on Tuesday. Write on Thursday. Write whenever.
Aleta Curry 18:16, 31 March 2008 (CDT)