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--Matt Innis (Talk) 15:30, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Ed, welcome--I notice that you have already added two articles, Communism and global warming. Ouch. Maybe you could start with something less controversial, and not so hard to write neutrally? --Larry Sanger 23:45, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Sure, how about unit testing of computer software? --Ed Poor 23:46, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
Grand, how controversial could it be? I don't even know what it means.  ;-) --Larry Sanger 00:05, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
Oh Goody! Unit Testing! Jason Potkanski 00:33, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

Wow, that was fast work on Unit testing! Do me a favor and please place the CZ:The Article Checklist on the discussion page. There are instructions with it. As you start articles, place one of these on the top of the discussion page. That way your workgoup will be able to monitor progress and help to get the articles Approved. You also might want to make a quick review of CZ:Policy Outline while your at it. Thanks! --Matt Innis (Talk) 12:09, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

Don't quit now, you're almost done. Just a little more feeling:) --Matt Innis (Talk) 13:27, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

Thank you! I added the workgroup to the bottom of the page for you. This is a little different than wikipedia in that we don't use categories the same way. You'll figure it out in no time I am sure. Happy editing! --Matt Innis (Talk) 14:07, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

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--Stephen Ewen 01:26, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

welcome back!

Ed, It's great that you may be able to author some in Computers. We desperately need more active authors! Please check out CZ:Core_Articles/Applied_Arts_and_Sciences#Computers_-_Stage_4 (these are suggestions for important articles that someone needs to start) or feel free to grab onto any started article and do what you can with it.Pat Palmer 15:26, 22 January 2008 (CST)

Yeah, sorry I've been away so long. I've learned that it's not easy to contribute to multiple encyclopedia projects at once. I spent much of the time from April 2005 helping the New World Encyclopedia get started. Then a couple of years ago I started helping Conservapedia. Please guide me to the places where I am needed. :
I know a thing or two about programming computers: development methodology is a hobby of mine, plus I know some details of Java and PHP. It would be really nice to make a practical guide to HTML, CSS and JavaScript; not a tutorial per se, but a reference guide for when you know it can do something but you forget the exact syntax or function. --Ed Poor 15:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Ed

Please check out a new article on Ocean heat content. I wrote the first draft but it needs work. I am trying to get some images for it. Take care. Ron Cram 16:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


I see on your user page you've added:

If you see me writing too positively (or negatively) about any of the above, please give me a WARNING first. Don't just ban me. I really am a reasonable person, and quite willing to undo my mistakes and "go along to get along".

Consider yourself warned. HaHa, just kidding!! Got ya!

On a serious note, though, it is not necessary to try to provoke emotions here in an effort to get changes that you want in an article. I enjoy a good dry sense of humor as much as anyone, but make sure it doesn't cross the line of becoming an insult to someone who has worked hard on the article that you are commenting on, okay. Otherwise, it's nice to have you back! D. Matt Innis 16:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)/constable


Hi Ed, please make sure that when you're putting new comments on discussion pages that you place them in the proper order and with the requisite indenting -- the one you just put on the Conser. page is a little off. This is for your benefit as well as for other viewers -- if you put it in the wrong place, it may not be seen by the people you're intending it for. Thanks! Hayford Peirce 16:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I was sloppy. Would you do me the favor of moving my comment to the right spot? (Or it least put a {Hey Ed} mark in the right place, and I'll move it myself.) Thanks. --Ed Poor 16:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Unification Church edits

Ed, could you please edit Religion/Catalogs. I've added a section in there on the Unification Church, and it'd be great if you could fix it up. If you want to edit here on Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church, please do go ahead. Recently, the editorial hierarchy, authors and the Constables on the Citizendium have worked hard on homeopathy, a controversial article. I think we're improving on how we are managing controversy. On religious topics, I hope that I can be there as a check for neutrality (I disbelieve in all gods pretty equally!). --Tom Morris 00:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I hope to return the favor, because I disbelieve in homeopathic theory. As an engineer, I am skeptical of anything that cannot be tested. Hence, my first contribution was to unit testing. I intend to follow Larry's example on neutral writing. I believe a reader can find out much, much more about a topic when the writers take extra pains to be neutral. The best way to slam dunk expose a totally stupid idea is to treat it with kid gloves, limo service, and plenty of bowing and scraping. "You can dress him up but you can't take him anywhere." If it really has no legs to stand on, readers will see this even more readily this way, then if you simply explain why the idea is wrong (and the mainstream is right).
A desirable side effect of this is that, in the rare cases where I as an author mistakenly think that one side is obviously and clearly right (but oops! I've picked the wrong side), then (a) I won't be embarassed, because if I wrote neutrally no one will know which side I was endorsing and (b) the article will work just as well for an unbiased reader, who will immediately see that the other side is obviously and clearly right. --Ed Poor 18:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

nav popups

Ed, did you find that you could get the nav popups to work here? D. Matt Innis 02:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I even got a rounded-edges skin to go with it! :-) 18:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, great! I was not able to get mine to work last year and gave up! I wouldn't have tried had I not seen you try... Thanks! Life just improved tenfold ;-) D. Matt Innis 01:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Level of activity

Sorry, but I've been very inactive lately. Perhaps now I'll be able to drop in more often.

Please tell me what is important and/or urgent for me to work on. Anyone can assign work to me! :-) --Ed Poor 23:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

unit cohesion

Don't forget to clean it up or you risk it getting deleted over here as well ;-) Thanks, D. Matt Innis 13:05, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Are you comfortable setting up the cluster/metadata, or shall I help? My immediate concern on content is making DADT the only major subhead, as there are many other factors, especially historically, involved in unit cohesion. Factors that make for a cohesive unit are not the same for all countries and cultures. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I'd say go for it, Howard.  ;) D. Matt Innis 02:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
OK, Matt. I set it up, cleaned up one reference, and made some talk page references. In the interest of possible future approval, I'm not immediately making substantive changes. Howard C. Berkowitz 03:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to do. I may have spread myself too thin. I just want the Internet to have at least one good, short Unit cohesion article. We can't argue about whether something affects it, if we don't know what it is, how it develops, and so on. --Ed Poor 20:37, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
The EC recently decided not to import articles from outside sources, so it needs some immediate attention. Howard will work with you if you ask nicely! D. Matt Innis 22:01, 26 April 2011 (CDT)
If he doesn't actually edit the article, he could actually approve it and lock it up for you.. D. Matt Innis 22:02, 26 April 2011 (CDT)