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 Definition The largest and southernmost country in the United Kingdom, and location of the largest city and seat of government, London; population about 51,000,000. [d] [e]
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Wikipedia infobox:

{{Infobox Country or territory |native_name = England |conventional_long_name = |common_name = England |image_flag = Flag of England.svg |image_coat = England COA.svg |symbol_type = Royal Coat of Arms |national_motto = {{lang|fr|''[[Dieu et mon droit]]''}}{{spaces|2}}<small>([[French language|French]])<br/>"God and my right"</small> |national_anthem = [[God Save the Queen]] |image_map = Europe location ENG.png |patron_saint = [[Saint George|St. George]] |map_caption = {{map_caption |region=[[Europe]] |subregion=the [[United Kingdom]]}} |capital = [[London]] (''[[de facto]]'') |latd=51| latm=30.4167 |latNS=N |longd=0 |longm=7.65 |longEW=W |largest_city = capital |official_languages = [[English language|English]] (''[[de facto]]'') |ethnic_groups = |sovereignty_type = Unified |sovereignty_note = |established_event1 = by [[Athelstan]] |established_date1 = 967 AD |area_rank = |area_magnitude = 1 E10 |area = 130,395 |areami² = 50,346 |percent_water = |population_estimate = 50,710,000<sup>1</sup> |population_estimate_rank = |population_estimate_year = 2007 |population_census = 49,138,831 |population_census_year = 2001 |population_density = 388.7 |population_densitymi² = 976 |population_density_rank = |GDP_PPP = [[US$]]1.8 trillion |GDP_PPP_rank = n/a |GDP_PPP_year = 2006 |GDP_PPP_per_capita = [[US$]]35,300 |GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = n/a |GDP_nominal = |GDP_nominal_rank = |GDP_nominal_year = |GDP_nominal_per_capita = |GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = |HDI = {{decrease}} 0.940 |HDI_rank = |HDI_year = 2006 |HDI_category = <font color="#009900">high</font> |currency = [[Pound sterling]] |currency_code = GBP |time_zone = GMT |utc_offset = 0 |time_zone_DST = BST |DST_note = |utc_offset_DST = +1 |cctld = [[.uk]]<sup>2</sup> |calling_code = 44 |footnote1 = From the Office for National Statistics - [http://www.gad.gov.uk/Publications/docs/National_population_projections_2004_based_report.pdf National population projections] |footnote2 = Also [[.eu]], as part of the [[European Union]]. [[ISO 3166-1]] is [[Great Britain|GB]], but [[.gb]] is unused. }}

Nomenclature

I've added a Cantonese translation of 'England' to this section; however, it doesn't include tones and I'm not sure the romanisation is right. Anyone in the know, please check! John Stephenson 04:09, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Is a list of names for England in other languages that important? I wouldn't really like to see such a list appears on the pages for France or Italy. Richard Nevell 22:22, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Small changes

I made a few small changes: dropped some red links, dropped a couple unnecessary footnotes, clarified legal and political influence on states of former Empire, and mentioned some of those states (the United States, Canada, India and South Africa, adopted English Law and variations of the parliamentary system that has operated for 1000 years, as well as commitments to individual rights that were first established by the Magna Charta of 1215.) Richard Jensen 18:09, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

I think the new information about England building an Empire would be a better description of Britain, even though England is by far the biggest part of the country. John Stephenson 23:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
yes but it's a subtle point since England was so dominant in UK, not just in terms of population but economic and political power. In terms of law, government and religion, the colonies followed England and not Scotland, for example (not a single country ever adopted Scottish law for example or established the Presbyterian religion).Richard Jensen 00:14, 14 October 2007 (CDT)

Reformatting changes

This article was ported from Wikipedia and still contained the imported "See also" and "External links" sections which are Wikipedisms. I moved the links in those two sections to the "Related Articles" and "External Links" subpages.

I also reformatted all of the links in "Related Articles" subpage to be inter-consistent in style and to eliminate the TOC box that was automatically caused to be created there before my reformatting.

Is the Wiki markup coding from the Wikipedia infobox (at the top of this page) really needed? It is virtually incomprehensible as is. Would it be okay if I stored it as an archive of this Talk paget?? Milton Beychok 04:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Milton Beychok 04:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Flag image

The .png image of the English flag doesn't appear when viewing the page in Firefox (or Chrome, for that matter. What's up? -Derek Hodges 00:57, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Education

This seemed to have got very confused, apparently by a mixture of Americanism, propaganda and projecting the present system back into the past.

"Private school" is not a correct synonym for "independent school". A private school is a private business run for private profit; a public school is a non-profit-making establishment. "Independent school" is the correct term for both.

The term "fee-paying" is misleading. All public schools have free places.

What would be meant by a "state school" before the 1870 act? As the Church of England was the established church, I suppose one might classify the schools it actually ran as state schools. But then King's, Canterbury, would count as a state school till the Reformation.

I've done a provisional rewrite, but it probably needs more looking at. Peter Jackson 08:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and the state schools set up under the 1870 act were initially fee-paying, I think. Peter Jackson 08:51, 29 July 2014 (UTC)