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Thank you for the welcome message. I hope to get caught up reading the various help pages soon and begin contributing. --Michael Geldorp 12:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)

A few tips

Hi, nice article on Alpheratz. A few tips: i) Don't add workgrounp, etc categories manually - they are added automatically based on data in the metadata. ii) You couldn't have known this, but we are in the process of renaming many of the constellation articles for disambiguation purposes. If you look at Constellations, in the source of the table, you'll see the new (permanent) names. While Andromeda etc do work at the moment (via redirects), they may not continue to do so as we get disambiguation here on CZ sorted out. Thanks! J. Noel Chiappa 10:02, 27 May 2008 (CDT)

Thanks for the tips. As far as the constellation pagenames go, I was actually wondering why Andromeda (constellation) redirected to Andromeda and not vice versa. I will make sure to keep an eye on this in future. On a somewhat related note (concerning redirects etc.) could you please have a look at my question here. Thanks, --Michael Geldorp 10:13, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
That's because eventually the article's going to be moved from Andromeda to Andromeda (constellation), and the redirect is to keep everything working while we do the update incrementally; e.g. constellations has already been modified to point to the new name.
I'll go look at the {{NGC 224]] thing now. J. Noel Chiappa 10:30, 27 May 2008 (CDT)

Country vs. Government nomenclature

You may or may not be following the discussion, right now on the talk page at United States Department of Defense, of working out a number of naming conventions.

I happen to agree with you about "United States of America" versus "United States", although at least one individual has been arguing against that. Where you made that change, did you notice "United States government"?

That has several ramifications on which I'd welcome comments, probably on the page where most of the discussion is located at the moment. It's important, I think, to distinguish between a country (geographic, demographic, etc.) and the people that are in charge of the country. The latter is an awkward phrasing, because "government" and "administration" have opposite meanings in various countries, referring variously to the civil service or the political leadership.

Thinking about usage, I lean in the direction of disambiguation in the direction of things like "United States Government" (see Department of Defense as a disambiguation example), because in common usage, even internationally, "USG" (U.S. Government) is widely used on official documents. Just from a CZ usability standpoint, there has to be a way that someone can try to go to a page that is explicitly or implicitly United States of America, and, perhaps through redirects or disambiguation, get to where they need to be. Howard C. Berkowitz 11:25, 31 May 2008 (CDT)

I have not been following the discussion but I will definitely have a look at it and will chip in if needed. I would not use United States for the country without the "of America" part but in things like the government it might be tolerable. United States of America government doesn't work as well as United States government. I would hesitate to use U.S. in any title however.--Michael Geldorp 11:25, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

Royalty names

Hi, we still don't have a definite, fixed scheme for these. Please don't move any (unless a new article provides a definitive clash) until we figure out what's what. J. Noel Chiappa 14:06, 31 May 2008 (CDT)

I did the move before I was aware of the discussion as I saw Victoria and looked up Elizabeth for guidance and moved it according to that format. Now that I know there is discussion about this I won't touch any of them. I gave my opinion on the E II talk page but other than that it is not an issue as far as I am concerned. --Michael Geldorp 16:28, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

Swapping pages

Hey, I was being nosy and saw your question on how to replace two pages with each other. There may be an easier way, but this is probably the easiest. You could move the first page to the sandbox (at CZ:Sandbox), and then move the second one to where the first one was. Then move the first one (at the sandbox) to where it belongs. I'll do it for you if you want, but I wanted to make sure that

a) it does, in fact, need to be moved and

b) you know see how it happened

John Dvorak 10:41, 12 June 2008 (CDT)

Thanks John, I'm just popping in for a minute and got to run so if you could do it for me I'd appreciate it immensely :-) otherwise I'll do it tomorrow.--Michael Geldorp 18:29, 12 June 2008 (CDT)

Before we do anything, let's make sure we know exactly what the problem is! Are you saying that the content at NGC 6994 belongs at NGC 6694 (i.e. NGC 6994 is M 73 in Aquarius, and NGC 6694 is M 26 in Scutum - other astronomy sites seem to confirm that)? That means we have to move A to B, and B to A. Not do-able without the help of an admin (because to move a page over a redirect pointing elsewhere is impossible, you have to delete the redir first), I think, but let me try it. J. Noel Chiappa 08:11, 13 June 2008 (CDT)

Yup, needs a constable. Let me see who's around. J. Noel Chiappa 08:15, 13 June 2008 (CDT)

Ok, I won't (can't) do anything then! Thanks for the heads up on that Noel. The problem is fairly simple really, just the execution of the fix is not. The text currently in 6994 should be in 6694 and vice versa. Looks like the original author mixed up those numbers. Thanks for looking into this. --Michael Geldorp 08:34, 13 June 2008 (CDT)
Sure, glad to help. Sorry it took a while - had to tap a constable on the shoulder to get the way cleared.
Oh, BTW, it's 'Noel', not "Joel" - a number of people get confused by that "J. Noel", sigh... J. Noel Chiappa 13:00, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
Oops, sorry 'bout that. --Michael Geldorp 12:33, 17 June 2008 (CDT)