User talk:Henry A. Padleckas/Archive 1

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Welcome!! Welcome!! Welcome!!

Hi, Henry ... I 've been waiting a long time for another Chemical Engineer to become active on CZ. There are others who have joined but are not very active .. .as I hope you will be. I responded to you on my talk page and I want to repeat what I said there: we could sure use your WP articles on "Vapor-liquid equilibrium" and "Chemical plant" and I would be most happy to help you get them into the format of CZ articles. It would also be your chance to rid them of incorrect revisions that some WP people may have made in them.

I will add your name as a member of our Chemical Engineering subgroup. All of our articles are designated as being in one or more Workgroups (similar to WP's categories) and one or more Subgroups if relevant.

Once you have your bearings here, its a very good idea to join the Forums (see the left-hand vertical panel) and to read them at least once a day to keep up with what is going on here ... and offer your comments as well.

Also, if you visit my user page at User:Milton Beychok you will find links in the upper section to my Image Galleries 1, 2 and 3 ... which has copies of about 130 images I have uploaded. You may find some of them useful in articles you may write. I drew many of them and the others have been uploaded from Wikimedia Commons, Flickr and other places. Just so you know, if you upload images into CZ from Commons or Flickr, you must obtain the real name of whoever created those images and, of course, they must have the appropriate licensing. Pseudonyms are not good enough. Milton Beychok 22:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Milt, thank you for the welcome. :-) Of the articles I've [mostly] written or started for Wikipedia, "Chemical plant" is my favorite one. Your galleries of images are very impressive too. I noticed that you redid the multi-component tall distillation tower diagram I originally made for Wikipedia's "Continuous distillation" article. I had similarly expanded my diagram to include the condensate pumps and what-not and saved it on a flash drive, which I unfortunately cannot find. :-( I want want to fix up the VLE article a bit before I transfer it here. Henry A. Padleckas 22:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

One other thing I forgot to mention above. It is a good idea to create a personal sandbox or two. In that way, when you port an article here from WP, you can work on it in your sandbox until you think it is ready to move into the CZ article namespace. You can also ask me or anyone else to review it in your sandbox before you move it into the namespace. Some of us at CZ frown upon porting articles from Wiki into the namespace unless they have been thoroughly reviewed/revised/re-formatted/etc. Milton Beychok 06:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I think I'll do that with "Chemical plant". This "policy" of discouraging stubs is unfortunate for CZ because it does not allow articles to be created as stubs, then grow by true wiki style as was often (but not always) the case in Wikipedia. It was one of the things that allowed Wikipedia to grow so rapidly in its earlier days. Henry A. Padleckas 14:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Henry, I didn't mean to give the impression that we discourage stubs. We have lots of them. Its just articles ported from Wikipedia that some of us feel should be thoroughly gone over before moving into the namespace. In fact, when you begin adding a new article here , you will find that a "Metadata template" must be created and you must specify a "status" for the article. The "status" ranges from 4 (an external article such as articles ported from WP), 3 (a stub of just a few sentences or a paragraph or two), 2 (a developing article) and 1 (a developed article ... ready to be nominated for approval by Editors). For example, after you have worked over your WP port of "Chemical plant" and move it into the namespace, I would suggest that you rate it as a "status" 2 on the Metadata template. As another example, the "Steam" article that I recently created was ranked as a "status" 2. Then perhaps some weeks later, after people have had a chance to offer comments or make some revisions, you might go back and bump it up to "status" 1 if you truly believe that it is then ready for that status.

There are other things about creating a CZ article such as creating the subpages "Related Articles", "Bibliography", and "External Links" which should be done and populated before an article is bumped to "status" 1. CZ articles don't have a "See also" section at the bottom ... instead, links to other related CZ articles are put into the "Related Articles" subpage. Links to articles on the Web are put into the "External Links" subpage (rather than at the bottom of the article as at WP).

When you are ready to move an article out of your sandbox into the namespace and need help, let me know. If I'm not available, you could contact these users: Paul Wormer, Daniel Mietchen, or Howard C. Berkowitz. If you ever screw things up completely (and I did that often when I first came here), contact our "Constables" like D. Matt Innis or Hayford Pierce who have certain sysop rights and can straighten things out for you. The five people I've named are all very helpful as are many others. Milton Beychok 17:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome from here too, Henry! --Daniel Mietchen 08:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

See my response to your question about Nuclear power

I responded to your question at some length. In essence, no I don't plan to write a separate article about nuclear power plants.

By the way, I like your edits to Water. Milton Beychok 09:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick question

Henry, have you joined the Forums yet? If not, you are missing a good part of the Citizendium experience. Regards, Milton Beychok 23:20, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I have not yet joined the Forums. I will take a look at them sometime. Henry A. Padleckas 00:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I guess I joined the Citizendium Forums. It's past my bed time now. Henry A. Padleckas 08:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

About your sandbox and its talk page

Henry, there is no need to ask for deletion of your sandbox and its talk page. Just delete whatever is in them now that you've moved your article into the article namespace ... and then they are ready to use again. That is what I have done dozens of times now.

Also, I have 3 sandboxes so that I can work on more than one article at a time. Milton Beychok 07:35, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Red links are good and serve a useful function

Henry, if you want to mention or discuss tank farms in Chemical plant, then do so and link "tank farm". A red link is good because it alerts everyone as to what articles are still needed. CZ simply does not yet have all of the "infrastructure" articles that WP has and red links are very helpful ... especially in the Related Articles subpage as well as in the main article text. Milton Beychok 07:44, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Hurry back Henry!

It's been great having you here! Are those other things really THAT important?! hehe.. :D. Matt Innis 13:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)