User talk:Edna Spennato

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Tasks: start a new article • add basic, wanted or requested articles • add definitions • add metadata • edit new pages

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--Matt Innis (Talk) 20:07, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the welcome¸ Matt! In fact I have just completed my first contribution to Citizendium and really enjoyed writing it

(see http://locke.citizendium.org:8080/wiki/Gilad_Atzmon )

I am wondering if I have filled out the CV live tags template properly here

http://locke.citizendium.org:8080/wiki/Talk:Gilad_Atzmon

and would also like to find out how to submit the article to the approval process¸ as I believe it is more or less close to completion. Your help will be appreciated. Edna Spennato 08:27, 2 April 2007 (CDT)

Image upload

Hi Edna. Thanks for your work here on Citizendium, which I suspect will be very interesting given your profession. Just a note about http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:Gilad.jpg which you recently uploaded. What do you mean by "Copyright free"? Who took the photo? Do you have documentation of having received permission that you can post as a subpage to the image? All of this information must be very clear as regards images. Please advise so we can work things out. - Stephen Ewen 01:35, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Hi Stephen! Thanks for your note. The photographer for that pic is Robert Burns. However, I would like to remove that photograph and have just uploaded a better photograph which was taken by the photographer, Eamonn Mccabe, and is the property of Gilad Atzmon (i.e. he bought the copyright from the photographer). I have been compiling some info about Atzmon into an encyclopedic piece for Citizendium. So I contacted him about the copyright and received his response this morning, which confirms Atzmon is the copyright owner and gives permission to use it. If you would like him to send an e-mail directly to you confirming that, please e-mail him at at the e-mail address I sent to you privately. Thanks Steven. Edna Spennato

Hi Edna, thanks for your note. Given what you said, what you need to do to upload the picture and any such like it for use in articles is follow the directions here http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=User_talk:Gary_Giamboi&diff=prev&oldid=100061183 while tailoring them for an image rather than text. Once you create the permissions page let me know so I can lock it. Also, you need to note in the article's image text box the copyright and permissions status. Best, Stephen Ewen 17:54, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Hi Stephen

I’m not too sue how to create a permission page for the pic. Also¸ what is meant by “A document image bearing the person's signature who is able to release the copyright would be best.” What qualifies as his signature? Would his e-mail be enough? Does he have to write it and sign it by hand¸ then scan it in? Looking forward to hearing back¸ and sorry for all the questions.

Thanks Edna SpennatoEdna

I have done what needed to be done except upload the proof, which I obviously do not have. See my additions to the image box at Gilad_Atzmon, and at the image's upload page. I also wrote directions for in the future: See Help:Images#Using_copyrighted_images_by_permission. Best, Stephen Ewen 00:12, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Thanks so much for your help Steven. I have done it and I hope it's all in order. Just one question regarding Wiki content. If you have a look at the wikipedia article on Gilad Atzmon at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Atzmon , you will see that it is very limited in terms of information about his music, writing etc. There are one or two sentences at the beginning of the Citizendium article on him which are similar, but not exactly the same as the Wiki introduction - apart from those first couple of sentences, the information is totally different and original in the Citizendium article. Could you let me know if the similarities in the first couple of sentences warrent ticking the wiki box or not. I wasn't sure about this so I haven't done it.

Edna Spennato

My pleasure. Please re-visit the pages to see ideal formatting and content articulation. View the edit tab to see how it was done. Pass it along! BTW, the onus is on the uploader to prove permission, and not on constables, so I removed that info. Historical note: this is the first image uploaded to CZ that is copyrighted by permission and is responsible for forcing us to quickly hash out a policy therefor. As for the Intro, I'd encourage you to craft a compelling introductory narrative, not in Wikipedia style. For example, compare CZ's biology or anthropology Intros with WPs. That is the style we are aiming for. See CZ:We aren't Wikipedia, point #10. `:-) Best, Stephen Ewen 03:59, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Steven thanks for the good advice. I had not realised the full extent of the difference between the stodgy old Wikipedia and the dynamic new Citizendium, and I must admit I compiled the info in as an “encyclopaedic” a style as I was able. In fact, it is very nice to be able to write a slightly more interesting and readable introduction to this article, and I am going to put my thinking cap on and do that in the next day or two.

I would like to find out how an article become approved…does the writer have to apply for the approval process to begin¸ or is it something that happens in time with all articles posted at Citizendium?

One more question, do you have any idea when the slow coach Google will catch on and start featuring Citizendium articles when subjects are searched? I see it’s still just Wiki, which comes up at the top, and nothing at all about Citizendium. Edna Spennato 16:24, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Steven - I have followed your advice...and changed the intro. There was a very relevant angle which just begged to be used in the intro, and it "wrote itself", as they say. Hope it is not too over the top for an online encyclopedia. Tell me what you think. It might need toning down. BTW there is not even one tiny bit from Wikipedia in here (I am pleased to say!) Edna Spennato 12:28, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Yea, that goes too far. See CZ:Neutrality_Policy. You'll get it just right. ;-) Stephen Ewen 02:40, 2 April 2007 (CDT)

I've changed the intro again Steven! I think it is much more neutral now... Edna Spennato 07:59, 2 April 2007 (CDT)