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Welcome, new editor! We're very glad you've joined us. Here are pointers for a quick start. Also, when you get a chance, please read The Editor Role. You can look at Getting Started for other helpful introductory pages. It is essential for you as an editor to join the Citizendium-Editors (broadcast) mailing list in order to stay abreast of editor-related issues, as well as the mailing list(s) that concern your particular interests. It is also important, for project-wide matters, to join the Citizendium-L (broadcast) mailing list. You can test out editing in the sandbox if you'd like. If you need help to get going, the forums is one option. That's also where we discuss policy and proposals. You can ask any constable for help, too. Me, for instance! Just put a note on their "talk" page. Again, welcome and thank you! We appreciate your willingness to share your expertise, and we hope to see your edits on Recent changes soon. Milton Beychok 15:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


John, please note that the bottom of your user page has tags to the effect that you are a User and Editor in the Physics and the Geography Workgroups. As we have already discussed via email, you are free to add addition User tags for any other Workgroups that you desire. Simply go to the Edit page of your User page and add additional tags like those for Physics and Geography.

Please read the above blue bar "Talk Page Etiquette" and sign your comments and/or responses as indicated, namely by simply typing Milton Beychok 15:53, 11 May 2010 (UTC) (4 tildes).

Have fun! Milton Beychok 15:53, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Milton, for getting me off to a good start! John Foster 21:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
John, I noted that you trimmed your User page. It would be nice if you expanded it a bit ... at least what country you are in, your education and what you are interested in. After all, the User page is your introduction to people with whom you will be collaborating.
Just to let you know, if you would prefer a different "look" for the Citizendium pages, there are number of "skins" (i.e., choices on how the pages look). Click on the "Preferences" at the top of this page (or any other page), then click on "skin" and you will find 9 choices, each of which you can preview before making a selection. My favorite is "Monobook". Whatever you select, can always be changed later, if you wish. Milton Beychok 21:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
One more thing, if you would like a private "sandbox" in which to practice writing articles or in which to draft articles, let me know and I will fix you up with one. Milton Beychok 21:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, John, welcome to Citizendium! As Milt says above, we really do require that every Member have at least a 50-word biography on his User page. Thanks! Hayford Peirce 21:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks for your help and guidance. John Foster 02:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again, Milton. Yes, it would be useful to have a private "sandbox" in which to draft articles. John Foster 19:22, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Some ideas for contributions

Hi John, welcome aboard CZ. Milton and Hayford have already given you some hints as to how things work here in general, and I wish to add some more practical suggestions on what possibilities you have to contribute. For a start, I just took some of the keywords from the information you supplied upon registration, and display below the current state of related CZ articles (for icon documentation, see Template:Rpl/Doc):

In order to find articles dealing with similar topics, it's also worth looking at the Related Article subpages of such an article (or the [r]).

Furthermore, in case you are involved in homework assignments, please consider doing so via Eduzendium articles.

Finally, you can help future newcomers by giving your feedback on the above suggestions. To do so, please leave a note on my talk page.

Looking forward to fruitful collaborative editing, --Daniel Mietchen 22:14, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help and guidance. John Foster 02:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Rocky Mountain Institute

Welcome, John!

You'll see I started an article on Rocky Mountain Institute. While there's very little in the article page proper, note the Rocky Mountain Institute/Related Articles page, where I'm playing some shortcuts to get the Board members into our system. Once the name is connected, we can start seeing people's social networks, which at the national organization board level, tends to be informative. We don't have real tools as yet in this area, but, for example, you can trace back a Council on Foreign Relations member to see who she knows... Howard C. Berkowitz 22:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks, Howard, for your help and guidance. John Foster 02:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Very good start by you!!

John, you've made a very good start by initiating two article in your first day at CZ!! It appears obvious to me (but I may be wrong) that you have contributed at Wikipedia at some time. Be that as it may, one of the primary differences between us and Wikipedia is that a CZ article is accompanied by five or more auxiliary "subpages" and the article plus the subpages is called a "cluster".

All of the cluster pages must have as their topmost line this template: {{subpages}}. That holds true for the main article page and five default subpages, namely the "Talk subpage", the "Definition" subpage, the "Related Articles" subpage (meaning related CZ articles that takes the place of Wikipedia's "See also" list), the "Bibliography" subpage, and the "External Links" subpage. The Definition subpage must also include the transclusion tags around subpages template, thus: <noinclude>{{Subpages}}</noinclude>. The reasons for these points will become clear after you've been here a while. The Talk and definition subpages must be created when you create a new article. The other subpages can wait until you have the time or someone else creates them.

There is also a Metadata template that must be filled out when a new article is created. That is very important! You will be prompted to fill it in whenever you start a new article. Just click where prompted to do so and then fill in these items:

  • pagename = Renewable energy (for example)
  • abc = Renewable energy ... or Energy, renewable (if you would like it alphabetized in that manner in article lists)
  • Variant = AE for American English or AU for Australian English or BE for British English
  • cat check = yes or no (do you want someone to check your selection of categories?
  • Status = External (import from WP without any revisions or improvements, lowest status) or 3 (a stub) or 2 (a developing article or 1 (a developed article ready to be nominated for being an Approved article)
  • cat1= Select an appropriate Workgroup category, such as Engineering
  • cat2= Select another appropriate category
  • cat3= Select another appropriate category (Three categories are maximum)

The click on "Save".

That completes my short course on how to create a new article cluster. Note that Howard Berkowitz added subpages and the Metadata template for Amory Lovins and I did the same for Renewable energy, for which I selected Engineering and Physics as categories. If you want to change those or add another, access the Metatdata template from the link in the blue subpage banner at the top of the Talk page. It would be a good idea for you to look at the Edit screens of the Metadata templates created by Howard and by me to see if you agree with our choices.

I know this is a big mouthful, but I hope it is helpful. Don't worry about making mistakes, we all did when we were new to CZ. Milton Beychok 00:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help and guidance. John Foster 02:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Created a sandbox for you as requested

John, the link to your sandbox is on your user page, upper left. You can have more than one, if you so desire. Milton Beychok 19:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I just briefly scanned the article you ported from WP into your sandbox. Since I have more familiarity with what articles exist in CZ than you do at this time, I would be happy to go through the article and do a thorough job of wiki linking ... if you wish me to do so.
Here is a link to a site that does a Google search of CZ:Google sear4ch of CZ. I use it often (with various key words) for finding CZ articles for wiki links and for use in "Related Articles" subpages. Milton Beychok 22:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Milton, for your kind offer. Yes, I would be most grateful if you could bring in your expertise please. I'm thinking two articles could come from the material that I imported, and the first of these would be Renewable energy development in sandbox2 so perhaps you would care to start there. Thanks again... John Foster 23:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
John, I will try to find time tomorrow to work on the article in your sandbox2. We have another very active CZ participant from Australia, and her name is Aleta Curry. You might want to get in touch with her. Regards, Milton Beychok 07:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Review and edits of Renewable energy development

I have completed about a 90% complete review (and resulting edits) of your article Renewable energy development, much content of which seems to have been ported from WP. I will summarize my review/edits on the article's Talk page either later tonight or tomorrow. Regards, Milton Beychok 00:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks, Milton, for the effort you have put in. Much appreciated. There is now also a Renewable energy commercialization article ready to be reviewed if you have time. regards, John Foster 03:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Please read the Talk page of Renewable energy development where I have entered my review comments and other guidance you will find to be useful (I hope). Other than those comments and guidance notes, I don't think that you need my help any longer. Regards, Milton Beychok 18:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Milton, I was just starting to get into the routine of swapping some Talk page notes with you, and getting into the collaboration, but you have backed off. Please accept my apologies if I have have somehow offended. John Foster 21:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
John, please don't feel that I backed off. I honestly think that you have done so remarkably well in just 3-4 days at learning the ropes here, that you don't need my help any longer. I will from time to time continue to review any of your articles where I believe that I have some expertise such as your articles about energy technologies. You absolutely have not offended me in any way. If you have some special problems with anything, please feel free to contact me. Best regards, Milton Beychok 22:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining that. I guess I have worked fairly quickly over the past few days to get some content up. But honestly I've done most of what I wanted to do at this stage, so will be more relaxed about contributing now. regards, John Foster 22:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've just had a full and frank discussion with Milt on the e-mail, and I think we agree that I shouldn't get too relaxed about things here on CZ. So I will be contributing some more articles soon and hope that others may help in smoothing out any rough edges... John Foster 00:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)