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If you are from Wikipedia originally, you may want to check out this article:

John Calhoun article

Argh I thought that category was for "people" in general. I'll remove it. Thanks! --Eric M Gearhart 12:03, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Also can this be added to CZ:Live? It was written from scratch, correct? --Eric M Gearhart 12:06, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
"I did paraphrase several facts and sentences from different places, including Wikipedia and the sources I listed"
As long as you cite sources, and preferably don't cite Wikipeida, cite the source Wikipedia used, you're good. See my MOS Technology article for an example... you can quote entire sentences, just make sure your References section is good. There's a definition of CZ:Live over at [[Category:CZ_Live]]. I'll add CZ:Live to the John Calhoun article if you haven't already --Eric M Gearhart 12:21, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

In my experience, this person is usually referred to as "John C. Calhoun," altho I don't know how he was known in his own time. So may I suggest you either change the article's title to that or put in a redirect under that name? -- k. kay 22:32, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

Yes, I know one way to move a page, and I think I can explain it to you, but if this isn't clear, ask me again or ask someone else, okay? Go to the 'edit' page for 'John Calhoun' and copy the whole thing, as is. Then replace it with a redirect, which will look like this: #REDIRECT [[John C. Calhoun]]
Preview it and then 'save' it, and that will create the new page 'John C. Calhoun.' Go to its 'edit' page and paste the whole article you took from 'John Calhoun.' Preview it and then save it, and then move its discussion page, too. This doesn't move the 'history' of the page, but that's still there, on the old page with the redirect now.
From my experience at Wikipedia, I think the way you know which form of someone's name to use is to Google all of them, that is, 'John Calhoun' and 'John C. Calhoun' (and maybe 'John Caldwell Calhoun') and go with the one with the most hits.
I was never an employee at the ACLU, but I did several projects for them as a volunteer lawyer. Please do help them out if you ever get the chance, because they do something for us all that nobody else does. -- k. kay 02:14, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
A better way is to get a Constable to move the page which preserves the history log. I will do that for you, after giving you time to reply to this note David Tribe 16:40, 13 April 2007 (CDT) Constable

Thanks for your note

Ill respond David Tribe 00:54, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Moving again J C C

Redid it , not perfectly, as I didn't notice you also moving the talk but there was no history to the talk anyway. All fine now..

Note only Constables should do moves. Tell your collaborators this. Call constables any time by email.

David Tribe 19:38, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

Law Workgroup entries

I see that you put the treaties in alphabetical order, and you might want to re-think that: We've been putting historical things in chronological order, and one reason is that how you name something affects the alpha order but not the chrono order -- think 'Napoleonic Code' versus 'Code of Napoleon' or 'U.S. Constitution' versus 'Constitution of the U.S.A.' Either way, you should probably put something on that article's 'talk' page raising this issue and explaining why you're resolving it how you're resolving it so we can all follow the same system. -- k. kay 03:38, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

Checklisting new articles

I think you can do it yourself, using the info at CZ:The Article Checklist, or you can ask a constable to do it. If you just wait for it to happen by itself, there's no telling when (or if) it will, because this project is still too new to generalize. Also, I think there are still some pages or forums where you can list articles for people to edit, but to trawl for somebody interested in doing it now, just post something with the request in the parentheses, so anybody looking at 'recent changes' will see it. -- k. kay 18:37, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

5"/38 caliber gun

This article is NOT identical to the Wikipedia article. Please do not say that it is. I wrote most of the Wikipedia article, and brought it over under this exception to CZ:Introduction to CZ for Wikipedians.

Exception: If you are the primary author or manager of an article or class of articles (e.g., about vipers or astrophysics) and you intend to continue your work on and maintenance of the article(s) here. In such a case, place a note to that effect at the top of the article talk page(s); otherwise, your imports are apt to be deleted.

In bringing the article to CZ, I deleted much of most of the WP material that I had not written myself.

Please explain why this should not be a live article. Louis F. Sander 21:18, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

You are forgiven. ;-) Louis F. Sander 10:07, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

Bill Gates

I don't actually know why Bill Gates was deleted. It almost certainly for trivial reasons. There are special ways of dealing with living people via Informant topic and maybe that wasn't being done. Maybe it was vandalised and had graffiti in the history logs. Maybe it was unaltered Wikipedia text. I wouldnt waste much time on it, except finding out the correct procedure for doing pages on living people. David Tribe 22:18, 17 April 2007 (CDT) Re checking deletion log dont have all the answers. See what I can do. Why not first find out about the Informant topics. Did you write it? Can I suggest you ask Constable Steve Ewen as he is more expert on this aspect than I am? David Tribe 23:07, 17 April 2007 (CDT)


Thanks for adding the illustrations--great job! Suggestion: on Wiki too many illiustrations are very dark and you can't see detail. Solution: use your photoeditor to increase the brightness. Richard Jensen 11:41, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

nice work! Richard Jensen 15:41, 2 June 2007 (CDT) (this comment was moved from my user page)


you're doing a great job on illustrations. Proposal: I have a lot of editorial cartoons for 19-20c US history (copyright expired) -maybe I can send them to you for insertion in articles? Richard Jensen 17:16, 1 May 2007 (CDT)


Re: what you said on my talk page: don't worry about it; I was a bit ratty too having just got to the end of a long day. I think the idea is we have to have a fight in the parking lot rather than on-wiki. :-) John Stephenson 20:28, 7 May 2007 (CDT)


Nice job on John F Kennedy! Richard Jensen 21:59, 14 May 2007 (CDT)

Addams School Chicago

Thanks for your note. I understand your concern. This needs careful and respectful decision making, and I think its an editorial decision first rather than constabulary. It would be very good for you to identify the appropriate editorial workgroup and flag it for their attention in a neutral way. Constable 20:05, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

I suggest leave a note at an editors page in the right workgroup. Im not certain which one is best. I think the text can be corrected by a few small clever changes. Editors will do this well , i think. David Tribe 02:19, 20 May 2007 (CDT)


What happened is what is supposed to happen - the wp article was edited and edited until- I believe- it no longer needs the wp box checked. I'll g through the histories, but Alexander Stos has compared articles with a p-rogram he invented, and he lets us know if there is a mistake- meaning there are still dentical lines. Of course, sometimes there are identical libnes, like - in an article on Abraham Lincoln the Gettysburgh address might be quoted in both, but that kind of thing does not mean-obviously, that there is plagerism or that -in our case,the wp box needs checking. Anyway- I will look into it and I promise to make absolutely sure the right thing is done, especially before we get to approval. Thanks, Nancy Nancy Sculerati 18:47, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Alexander says "wp free" - see my talk page. Nancy Sculerati 09:23, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Design Patterns

I assume you meant well, but flagging this article as "being from Wikipedia" is incorrect. I had removed the "from Wikipedia" because 1) I authored it there, and 2) I made substantial changes since bringing it over. I am removing the flag again. Please do not restore it. Finally, I had explained all this already in Talk:Design Patterns Pat Palmer 21:36, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

John Franklin

There is indeed just a bit of WP stuff left in the Franklin entry -- it hadn't been tagged as such because I brought it over to CZ last November, long before the WP tag system was started! At some point soon I think it can be de-tagged (I wrote about 25% of the WP version, and am slowly eroding away the remaining WP content. Do be careful in re-tagging; many items are just "on the edge" as is this one. Russell Potter 22:00, 24 May 2007 (CDT)


I replied on my talk page. Please, should I say Yi or Wu? I, by the way, am Nancy. Nancy Sculerati 21:43, 26 May 2007 (CDT)