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What about review of CZ:Approval standards? If the/a purpose of the new approvals system is to encourage contributions by giving people something to aim at, that aim needs to be made as clear as possible. Peter Jackson (talk) 15:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, obviously *that* makes sense! Hayford Peirce (talk) 23:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Names

In response to Hayford's question on the committee page, I've found CZ:Naming conventions, but it doesn't say much. Peter Jackson (talk) 10:37, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Peter. I remember now looking at this page years ago. It does have a lot of useful info, but, as you say, it doesn't really address the question that I raised on the committee page. Maybe we Editors should discuss it and then, possibly, come to a decision about it. Hayford Peirce (talk) 16:08, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Removing articles from the calls list

See this edit. You can take articles off the calls-for-approval list by changing the approvals template. This produces a category of failures. If you look here you can see the different template options. John Stephenson (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

... and from citability

"I suggest we remove this article as a citable version" When the old approved page system was replaced with citability, we were told citable pages were supposed to be permanent. All you should be doing is adding some sort of template, not removing. Peter Jackson (talk) 10:30, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

As a comparative newcomer, I don't think I've seen anything about "permanent". In the blurb about Citable Articles we are encouraged to carry on improving the Main Article so as to get a better version. I don't see any point in leaving disapproved citable versions, not even as a Dreadful Warning of what can go wrong. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 21:08, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

As I understand it, the idea was that people could cite a citable page. There might be links from somewhere. You'd be killing those links instead of adding a warning. Peter Jackson (talk) 11:48, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

For the record, the page in question is archived at [1]. People who come across a dead link might go there. Peter Jackson (talk) 11:34, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Cowdray House

Reply to Anthony Sebastian:

I'm glad the approval process has started to move. On the subject of references, some of those in the Wikipedia article such as the National Heritage List for England are good quality, but the websites in particular are short on detail and not as informative as those currently used in Citizendium's article. The CZ references consist of a well researched guidebook published by the Cowdray Heritage Trust and an academic study from the Castle Studies Group Journal. As for the organisation, I'd be interested to hear your feedback on how it could be improved. Richard Nevell (talk) 00:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

References

Above, "the author needs to tell us where he got his data from" &c. It would be nice to have some clarification on the need for references:

1. when are they needed?
2. should they be in the article, or just made available to the Committee?

Peter Jackson (talk) 15:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

I would think good practice would be including references when information has been adapted from external sources. As for availability I think having them visible to everyone should be the default to help transparency. I don't see much benefit in making them only available to the committee. Richard Nevell (talk) 18:42, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by that. Presumably the Committee isn't going to approve original research, so all information will have been "adapted from external sources".

On the other point, I was asking this because our traditional policy has been to have only minimal referencing. Maybe the Committee are changing this. Peter Jackson (talk) 09:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

(See [[2]].) Peter Jackson (talk) 09:35, 20 February 2018 (UTC)