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 Definition U.S. Secretary of State (2009-2013); Senator for New York (2001-2009); U.S. presidential candidate for the Democratic Party, 2016 (contender, 2008); former First Lady (born 1947). [d] [e]

"Most" Controversial?

Senator Clinton has made a good many controversial votes. I'm not sure how one can be qualified as the "most" controversial. Will Nesbitt 08:08, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

It's "Most" because that's the one her critics emphasize time and again, far more than any other vote.Richard Jensen 07:16, 22 July 2007 (CDT)
Actually, her base emphasizes it. Her critics generally support this vote. Perhaps that does make it the "most" controversial, but that's still a large enough claim to require a reference. Will Nesbitt 09:11, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

election status not appropriate?

I would like to remove all the status information about the current election, since we are not a news organization. Reports of attacks and rhetoric during the current campaign seem particularly unhelpful to me in this context. Can this article stick mainly to a reporting of facts about her life, deliberately omitting activities ongoing during this campaign? Even if we cite references for those, we are essentially getting into the business or providing analysis of ongoing, active events--not a role I see as appropriate for the Citizendium. If no one objects, I will remove large portions of the opening pertaining to who attached whom for what during the current election.Pat Palmer 15:09, 16 January 2008 (CST)

Basically, I think it all needs to be removed except the first paragraph, which should just end with a statement that "Hillary is currently running for president of the United States" or something. Then, it would be helpful to add stuff about her upbringind and education, stuff that can be documented and does not constitute analysis or commentary on current events.Pat Palmer 15:20, 16 January 2008 (CST)
I agree that we don't need a "blow-by-blow" daily update of her political activities during the campaign, but if significant things happen to occur DURING the campaign then they are entirely appropriate; obviously the fact that she is on the camapaign trail running for president is reasonable in itself.
Also, the political analsys and commentary really should go also; I'll avoid the man in the gorilla suit obviously. --Robert W King 15:29, 16 January 2008 (CST)
No this is a matter for the Politics worksgroup to decide. Take it up there.Richard Jensen 16:54, 16 January 2008 (CST)
Good point, Richard. I have just posted to the forum about these issues (thank you for reminding me to do so). Cheers.Pat Palmer 20:34, 16 January 2008 (CST)

campaign reporting

I have consolidated the analysis of the presidential campaign tactics used so far in the section called "presidential campaign". I have also replaced what I considered to be "spin" words (i.e., implying either positive or negative traits) with less hot button words.Pat Palmer 19:58, 16 January 2008 (CST)

I notice that the "presidential campaign" section is almost an exact duplicate of the section by the same name on the Hillary Clinton article. Therefore, it makes sense, if this analysis must be in Citizendium at all, to move it all out to a separate article called something like "presidential primary (2008)". anybody want to tackle that?Pat Palmer 20:20, 16 January 2008 (CST)


Early Life section

I added an early life section to be more balanced with the Obama article. Most of the content for it came from the early chapters of the Bernstein book; I tried to check each fact (though I did not include specific references) and tried be be neutral in tone. I removed the following because I found I had duplicated it: "She was born October 26, 1947, in Chicago in a middle class family; her father Hugh Rodham operated a small business. He was born into a coal mining family in Pennsylvania, graduated from Penn State University, and was known as a martinet. She grew up in Park Ridge, an upscale suburb of Chicago. Hillary Rodham, an active United Methodist, attended Wellesley College, an elite woman's college near Boston." This part is fine; I wasn't sure whether to keep it or what I wrote.Pat Palmer 11:12, 24 February 2008 (CST)

Senate section

This section really needs to be fleshed out. I think she accomplished quite a lot during her years in the senate. I did reword the Iraq invasion sentence, because technically speaking, it was not a vote for "invasion" but rather, authorizing the president to invade "if necessary". Some believe this is an important distinction. Does someone have time to outline other things she did during her years in the senate?Pat Palmer 11:20, 24 February 2008 (CST)