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=== Welcome ===
== Resigning Biology Editorship ==
 
I signed up for CZ and requested to be a Chemistry Editor, based on my PhD in Chemistry. After looking over my publications, Larry Sanger approved me to be a Biology Editor as well. Given the mood of the current Editorial Council, a council on which I once sat, and their new standards, I feel it only appropriate to resign this editorship. I do so not to make a public statement of any kind, but because I am unsure that my education, research interests and publications would necessarily qualify me under the current standards. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 19:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
{{awelcome}}
 
You can find some more information about our collaboration groups if you follow this link [[CZ:Workgroups]].You can always ask me on my talk page or others about how to proceed or any other question you might have.
 
''Kind Regards'',
[[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;<span style="background:black">&nbsp;<font color="red"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font>&nbsp;</span> 15:12, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 
{{ewelcome}} --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 20:58, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 
 
 
==ToApprove==
 
Congratulations on your first Approval!  I did change the date for you and approved the extra edits as you stated on my talk page.  When you want to find the latest version, follow these steps: 1)click on the history tab, 2)click on 'compare selected version...' button, 3)click on the 'Revision as of [date]' above the previous diff, 4)click on 'newer revision' under the article title, 5)copy the address from the address bar..  and you got it!  It is a long way around.  If you ever find a better way, do let me know!  [[User:D. Matt Innis|Matt Innis]] [[User talk:D. Matt Innis|(Talk)]] 18:57, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
== Virus template ==
 
I think there already is a model for this that has been made; for proteins I think.  We should be able to copy that and just change the verbage.  --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:44, 16 October 2007 (CDT)
:Wait, do you want an infobox? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:45, 16 October 2007 (CDT)
::Ok, I'm caught up.  You want an infobox.  I can make this easily *but* I '''must know what criteria you want to be displayed'''.  I had no input with the chemistry infobox I made and thus it is severely lacking in detail.  --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:46, 16 October 2007 (CDT)
 
== Isotopes ==
 
Can do easily.  How do you want it formatted? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 12:51, 18 October 2007 (CDT)
 
 
== small addition to NMR ==
 
see if you like this addition - else delete it. [[User:Robert Tito|Robert Tito]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;<span style="background:grey">&nbsp;<font color="yellow"><b>[[User talk:Robert Tito|Talk]]</b></font>&nbsp;</span>
 
 
 
 
== Sppedy Delete - How to ==
 
David, at any time to request a deletion, you can simply add <nowiki>{{speedydelete|Insert some reason here}}</nowiki> to the article/image space. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 17:34, 7 December 2007 (CST)
 
==Subpagination thanks==
Thanks for your work subpaginating articles, David! --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 18:38, 23 December 2007 (CST)
 
== Redirects - How to ==
It's easy.  Say you have an article called "Big Easy" and you want a redirect from "The Big Easy". Just go to the Search box at the top left of the screen. Type in "The Big Easy". You'll get a message saying that it doesn't exist and asking if you want to create it. Click to create a new article. You'll now have a blank edit page. Scroll down to the bottom of the screen to Special Characters. Click on the link that says #REDIRECX [[]]. That should put it up on the edit page. Then type "Big Easy" in between the bracket.  Save. That will make the redirect.
 
== allotrope ==
 
Hi David, we both wrote something about allotrope/allotropy. Maybe it is better that we merge the two articles and put a redirect?--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 08:19, 29 December 2007 (CST)
 
==Steroid==
See query at [[Steroid]]. - [[User:Robert Badgett|Robert Badgett]] 23:49, 31 December 2007 (CST)
 
 
== River names ==
David, thanks for your [[User_talk:Igor_Grešovnik#river_names|remark about river names]]. Please give me a note when you have more information regarding naming of river articles. --[[User:Igor Grešovnik|Igor Grešovnik]] 12:39, 4 January 2008 (CST)
 
 
== New NMR guy ==
 
Hi David, I'm also glad that we have a new (physical) chemist on board. The content of his NMR article is OK, but the format needs fixing up. How will we proceed, we simply go ahead and fix it (and explain in the talk page why), or will we ask him to adapt it himself? He signed the article and I'm afraid that if we take his signature away he will misunderstand that. --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 09:51, 12 January 2008 (CST)
 
== test ==
<span style="border: 3px solid #90ade3;">[[User:David E. Volk|<span style="background: #bad1fb; color: #000000;">&nbsp;David E.&nbsp;Volk&nbsp; </span>]]
[[User_talk:David &nbsp;E. &nbsp;Volk|<span style="background: #90ade3; color: #FFFFFF;">&nbsp;talk</span>]]</span>
 
 
== NMR spectroscopy : an attempt to get it approved ==
 
--[[User:Sekhar Talluri|Sekhar Talluri]] 16:39, 16 January 2008 (CST)
 
I edited the metadata page for my article on NMR spectroscopy in an attempt to send it for approval by you and P. Wormer as editors.  However, it appears that somehow I have approved it myself:-)
Please feel free to undo/do/fix whatever is necessary , but do consider it for approval.
Sincerely
 
== Catalogs ==
 
David:  Kindly do not remove the Psychology Catalogs category from the bottom of psych pages.  It is there to provide a structural guideline.
 
Secondly, (re: Tao Te Ching) it is fprmatting convention to bold only the topic of an article, not variations on spelling, etc.
 
 
Thanks...  --[[User:Michael J. Formica|Michael J. Formica]] 18:36, 21 January 2008 (CST)
 
==Drug pages==
see [[Chemistry style guide]] for guidance now [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 12:38, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== Chem info box ==
 
"A box used to contain MW, formula, KEGG, CAS, etc is still under development."
 
What kind of information do you think should be contained in the box, and how should it be formatted?  One thing that bothers me about WPs infoboxes (and I don't know if you feel the same, but please respond) is that they go entirely overboard on numerical inclusions.  How can the information in an infobox be used to relay a fundamental principal about a particular chemical, given x amount of properities? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 12:02, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 
:: Robert, here are my thoughts on Chem_infobox:
First, I think the structures should not be in the box, because large chemicals need big drawing to be readable.
Also, the IUPAC names of some compounds are 2-3 sentences long, so I would keep those out also.  In my opinion, I would like to keep the box simple and contain the following:
 
* Name of Chemical
* Molecular Formula
* Molecular Mass
* Hazards
* CAS #
* (optional) Link to an MSDS form, plenty of sites to choose from (this might instead be on the external links page)
 
BTW, I have programmed in several languages and would like learn how to make templates someday.  Could you email me a copy of some code to that?  [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 13:37, 22 February 2008 (CST)
:What should the representation of the molecular formula be like?  Should it exist in text form, or by some graphic?  Is the mass a single number or derived from a forumla?  What kinds of hazards should be displayed?  What is CAS?  Besides the link from MSDS, is there any information from the MSDS that should be included? 
 
:Also, what is the overall theme that should be described: how to utilize a chemical compound, or how to safeguard against it, or the dangers of it? 
 
:Designing a template is pretty easy as long as you know how to create tables in HTML.  The wiki-code uses certain markup which represents the same as table data, rows, columns, and their syntaxes.  Basically, almost any html can be employed when creating a template (including DIVs and stylesheets to an extent).  However, there are some ways to script your results, including variables and quantification statements such as "if" "exist" and others.  I'll dig up the mediawiki help page for you... it's not complicated. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:52, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 
Details:
 
* <b>Chemical formulas</b> will look like this C<sub>6</sub>H<sub>12</sub>O<sub>2</sub>
 
* <b>Molecular Mass</b>, a single number derived from the formula, will look like this:  236.23 g/mol
 
* <b>CAS #</b> is the Chemical Abstract Service reference number for a chemical
 
* <b>Hazards</b> can just be a text box saying things like: "Explosive, [[Corrosive]], Liver [[Toxin]], known [[Carcinogen]], [[Radioactive]]".
 
* <b>MSDS</b> = "Material Safety Data Sheet" that must be shipped whenever a chemical is purchased.  It contains a full gruesome detail of all hazards, melting points, molecular mass, and other details for the reader who wants to know everything. There is not a single MSDS for each chemical.  That is, for a given chemical, you can usually find many different versions, like one from Aldrich, one from DuPont, etc.
 
* <b>Theme</b> The theme of chemistry articles, like all CZ, should be about the uses of the chemical first, ie why is it important.  Note that I added the "Common Uses" to the list above, just before hazards.  I had forgotten this on the list.  WP uses the 4-diamonds in a diamond type of drawing for hazards, but only experienced chemists know what this means.  For the general audience I think simple text is the way to go with hazards.  However, hazards should be after common uses IMHO. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 
== [[Azole]] ==
 
Congratulations on approval!  [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 11:08, 26 February 2008 (CST)
 
== Approval of [[Phosphorus]] ==
 
David, I have scanned the article and made a few cosmetic copy edits. Much of the subject matter is way above my knowledge of chemistry, but I am very impressed with the depth of detail that you and Paul Wormer have provided.
 
The only serious criticism I have is that the article has only one reference. In my opinion, an article of that length and detail should have at least 8-12 references. I think that providing the needed references should be relatively easy for you and Paul.
 
Once the references have been provided, I would be pleased to start the approval process. I think that what I must do in the "required for ToApprove template" section of the MetaData template is:
 
* article url= Provide the article url
* now= Provide the time (CST) and date
* ToA editor= Provide my name
* date= Provide the date that is 6 days after the now=date
 
Is that correct? If not, please let me know. Regards, - [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 12:17, 26 February 2008 (CST)
 
== d-orbitals ==
 
Good afternoon David, blushing I make a confession: my knowledge of bonding in phosphorus was outdated. Prompted by Milton I checked some literature and found that the idea of bonding by ''d''-orbitals is outdated. I should have known this because I know Kutzelnigg (who discovered this) quite well and have  heard him speak zillions of times. But I was never much interested in second row atoms and didn't pay attention. I added a paragraph, and let the old part still intact, maybe it looks silly now, have a look and give your honest opinion. --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 08:52, 27 February 2008 (CST)
:David, I see that you left both explanations of difference in bonding between nitrogen and phosphorus intact. Don't you think that the old-fashioned explanation, based on ''d''-orbitals, should go?--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 02:31, 28 February 2008 (CST)
 
 
== That's Life! ==
 
David, see my rply: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthony.Sebastian#That.27s_Life.21 --[[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 14:43, 29 February 2008 (CST)
 
 
== NMR ==
 
Hi David, [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Talk:NMR_active_elements#Approval_process this article] needs your attention.  Thanks, [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 19:34, 29 February 2008 (CST).
 
==Approval of [[Phosphorus]] article==
 
David, I believe that last week we agreed that I would start the Approval process for the [[Phosphorus]] article after you finished reviewing the article yourself. Please let me know whether you did in fact finish your review and I will then proceed. Thanks, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 12:54, 3 March 2008 (CST)
 
::I have started the Approval process of [[Phosphorus]] as of a few minutes ago. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 13:39, 3 March 2008 (CST)
 
 
==DrugBank template==
See use of new [[Template:DrugBank|DrugBank template]] in development at [[acetaminophen]]. - [[User:Robert Badgett|Robert Badgett]] 07:48, 5 March 2008 (CST)
 
==Your proposal to create workgroup style guides==
 
Hello. No driver is listed in the proposal record for "Create workgroup style guides" which you started. Every proposal must have a driver, a champion who is filling in the details of the proposal and driving it along. Do consider becoming the driver yourself; don't be worried that this is hard as I will help you at every step if necessary. If you find a driver, please make sure that the proposal record on [[CZ:Proposals/New]] is updated. If no driver can be found within three days, then the proposal becomes inactive. Your newly-appointed Proposals Manager, [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 09:43, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:David, I want to work with you on this proposal. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 11:44, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 
== This is the day that [[Phosphorus]] is supposed to be approved. ==
 
David: What else needs to be done, if anything, to finish the approval process? No one other than myself has yet signed the nomination on the Metadata template, although I thought you said that you and Paul Wormer could do so. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 10:58, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:David, I note that you and Paul have now signed the nomination. Is there anything else that I have to do? I must leave in the next hour for the rest of the day and would like to know before I leave. Thanks, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 12:18, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:: Milton, you have nothing further to do.  A constable with taken of the rest. Thanks.  [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 12:29, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== Links to categories ==
 
You can have a link to Category:Articles to Approve, without adding the page the link is in (e.g. your user page) to the category with this: "<nowiki>[[:Category:Articles to Approve]]</nowiki>", which produces this: [[:Category:Articles to Approve]]. (Note the leading ''':'''.) Hope that's useful... [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 11:33, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:: Thank you very much Noel. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 11:38, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== [[Life]] ver 1.2 Approved! ==
 
Congratulations! Thanks for your help, --[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 22:19, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== [[Phosphorus]] Approved! ==
 
Two in a row! I think chemistry could be on a roll ;-) --[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 22:51, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== EZarticle-closed-auto ==
 
*Why did you conclude that [[Bankruptcy]] is closed to outside participation? I don't see anything on the [[CZ:Finance3101_101_TempleUniversity_Spring2008 | course page]] to suggest that.
*What's the difference between [[:Category:Eduzendium Workgroup]] and [[:Category:Eduzendium articles]]? Why have both?
[[User:Warren Schudy|Warren Schudy]] 22:08, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
:I created the [[:Category:Eduzendium articles]] just as a way to keep them separate from policy and course pages. It does not have to be that way. I just thought it might be more convenient. I might add that they were originally in [[:Category:Eduzendium]]. The workgroup category would definitely be more appropriate, I didn't know that existed. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 22:10, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:: I am just trying to clear the unchecklisted articles page.  First there was EZarticle, then EZarticle-closed-auto, and before that some of them had what appeared to be hand-written warnings not to edit.  We need whoever is in charge of EZ to tell the people what to put on their pages, and then we wouldn't need to do it.  It seems EZarticle-closed-auto provides the best warning flag, so I have been putting that on the pages that I seem to think needs it.
:: As for the page in question, I thought all EZ pages were closed so that only the students work on it.  I might be mistaken.  [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 08:03, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== Help with approval nomination for [[Chemical engineering]] ==
 
David, I'm looking for someone to nominate the [[Chemical engineering]] article for approval. Can you help me? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 23:08, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
 
: Milton, I have made suggestions for improvement before approval, on the talk page.  Please reply when you have fixed these small errors.  [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 10:04, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
 
::David, I agree with all of your comments on the Talk page of the [[Chemical engineering]] article and I have made the appropriate changes. Thanks for your help. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 10:58, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:::Thanks for starting the process, David. Could you perhaps ask Paul Wormer to second the nomination? Or someone else? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 15:09, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== Disambiguation ==
 
I was going to suggest we have a disambiguation template (a la Wikipedia) which both did a standard notice, and put the page in a category); sigh, that's on my (lengthy) to-do list. You wanna deal with it? :-) [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 14:34, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
 
: I haven't made any templates yet, but if I attempt one, it will be the chem_info template that needs to be made, something like the elem_infobox template, except for chemicals. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 14:37, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:: Oh, they're not too hard (at least, the simpler ones), and help is a click away. Anyway, it turns out that {{tl|disambig}} already exists; we just need to get people to stick it on the bottom of all disambig pages. [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 16:07, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
:: PS: Might have been best not to checklist that duplicate Neanderthal article, in case the one gets turned into just a redir. Oh well, water, bridges... [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 16:07, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
 
So, should we used category disambig or the template disambig, or both?
 
As for the neanderthal stuff, I assume the professor(s) will give priority to whoever signed up first. They can still do the work, get the grade, and we can merge them later perhaps?  I just wanted to make the students aware, and I notified the EZ coordinator as well. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 16:11, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
 
: Ah, {{tl|disambig}} adds pages to the category [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template:Disambig&action=edit automatically]. I guess it's OK to use just the category, as long as at least one gets used. I'll ask people what they think when I have time... [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 22:25, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== WP articles ==
 
You are right, I'm re-writing them all from scratch, as I haven't had the time to edit them. I won't be able to edit them for a while though, as my schedule is tight. I apologise for the trouble. Btw, silly question, is it proper to reply to a comment in one's own talk page or the other way around? I've never really used talk pages as all my editing in wikipedia used to be anonymous. [[User:Minhaj Ahmed Khan Lodi|Minhaj Ahmed Khan Lodi]] 10:42, 15 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== talk page ==
 
Thanks for your suggestion! [[User:Minhaj Ahmed Khan Lodi|Minhaj Ahmed Khan Lodi]] 13:23, 15 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== Need your advice ==
 
David, I would like to add some internal CZ links into the [[Chemical
engineering article]]. For example, links on: fossil fuel power palnt, nuclear power plant, petrochemical, etc. If I do so, can you then update the approval version? Or will you need to extend the closing date? I will not do anything until I hear back from you. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 13:22, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:David, thanks for your explanation on my Talk page. I have now added quite a few CZ links, and you can change the version url whenever you have the time. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 16:38, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== Your proposal "Medical Disclaimers" ==
 
Hello. The proposal record for "[[CZ:Proposals/Medical Disclaimers|Medical Disclaimers]]", for which you are listed as driver, says that the current step (1 week discussion amongst health science workgroup) was due to be completed 16 March. Could you please update the proposal record on [[CZ:Proposals/Editorial Council]], changing your self-imposed deadline and perhaps the next step? If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask me. -- The Proposals Manager, [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] 17:02, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
 
==AE==
You might be right, it might be worth having it as the default and then people can change it.  I can take it off the to do list if every article is listed becuase of that one empty field. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 09:09, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
 
==Chembox==
Have you seen the following? [[Template:Chem_Infobox]], Robert King adapted it for CZ.  You might find it a good starting point? [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 14:48, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:: Chris, we renamed that one Elem_Infobox, because it only fits chemical elements, not molecules.  We need another infobox, formatted differently, for molecules. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 14:50, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
:::OK just checking to see if you had seen it.  I now note you edited it today. by the way, is there anyway to fix the right margin?  On my browser it is bleeding off the right edge. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] [[User talk:Chris Day|(talk)]] 14:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::What happened? --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 15:58, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== Testing Roberts chem infobox new ==
{{Chem infobox
|align=right
|image=[[Image:Itraconazole structure.jpg|center|350px|thumb|{{#ifexist:Template:Itraconazole structure.jpg/credit|{{Itraconazole structure.jpg/credit}}<br/>|}}Itraconazole, a triazole-based antifungal agent.]]
|width=350px
|molname=itraconazole
|synonyms=  itraconazol, itraconazolum
|molformula= C<sub>35</sub>H<sub>38</sub>C<sub>l2</sub>N<sub>8</sub>O<sub>4</sub>
|molmass= 705.6334
|uses=antifungal drug
|properties=triazole compound, big, aromatic, oxazole, imidazole
|hazards=see drug interactions
|iupac= see chemistry section
|casnumber=84625-61-6
}}
 
Should we change  "Mass" to "Mass (g/mol)" in the table, so the user doesn't need to type the units all the time? That is the standard unit for molecular mass. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 16:36, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
 
== You da man Robert ==
Robert, I think it looks very nice.  We will probably want to show the name in bold lettering.  Do we do that when setting the variable (name = '''itraconazole'''), or can the template make it always be bold?  Should we make the IUPAC name an if exist variable, or use my example of "see chemistry section"?.  [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 16:01, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
:I can make it bold.  The problem with the IUPAC name is it has all these <code>[</code>s in it, which jacks up the formatting, but I think I can fix it. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:04, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
 
:: Regarding the IUPAC name, I wouldn't mind listing it in the text when it is a very long name.  I think we had agreed earlier that this is about the right amount of information for the box, leaving out boiling points and other such non-sense.  Now I have about 100 articles to add the template to!  I think I will wait for a few days so we can consider any other desired changes before I make that plunge.  Thanks for you effort, and do consider making it an example on the How To page.  I think template is a great example for beginners. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 16:09, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
:::Give it a whirl for a while, let me know if anything needs fixing or adjusting. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:32, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::It's in there.  Automatically puts g/mol. --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 16:41, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
 
::OK, I am going to step away from it for about a day, then look with fresh eyes for areas to improve.  If you don't mind, I may play with the whole coloring scheme.  Great job. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 16:50, 20 March 2008 (CDT)


== Will [[Chemical engineering]] be automatically approved today? ==
== New Chemistry  editor, [[User:Joel M. Williams‎|Joel M. Williams]] ==


David, today is March 21st. Will the article be automatically approved today or does something yet have to be done? [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 12:14, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
Hi, David:


We have a new Chemistry editor. Perhaps you may wish to post a welcome message on his Talk page. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 02:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


[[Chemical Engineering]] approved! - Sorry for the delay - holiday and all ;-) --[[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 15:45, 23 March 2008 (CDT)
David,
Your opening quote is still true several hundred years later as I can attest!! My observation is that most scientists are the most rigid folks imaginable; spouting the party lines rather than thinking - PhD's being proof that they know the party lines. Has to do with peer-pressure and the desire to maintain one's job. Thus, few are reluctant to challenge the status quo! Frankly, the folks who should be most able to evaluate matters and come up with new approaches are the retired.Unfortunately, most are too tired or just no longer give a crap! [[User:Joel M. Williams|Joel M. Williams]] 20:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)




== Workgroup link??? ==
==Thanks==
You can get to them from the main page. Click on the icons at top right. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 15:26, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
Thanks for the nudge on adiponutrin - it had flown below ny radar, but I've added a para.[[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] 10:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


:Thanks Chris, I do know other ways to the workgroups.  It really was a sarcastic-whining remark, because everytime I get used to where things are some of them disappear, and then we need to rewrite things like the [[CZ:How To]] page directing people how to find editors in their workgroups. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 16:12, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
== [[Liquefied natural gas]] ==
I guessed it was sarcasm.  I agree the left border is like a yoyo.  I like its current form as "what links here" is not way down at the bottom.  But no doubt it will be down there again soon. :) [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 16:15, 26 March 2008 (CDT)


== Re Rottweiler ==
David, I would appreciate any comments/edits/discussion you may offer on the new article [[Liquefied natural gas]] (LNG). [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


In a dreadful hurry, I'm afraid.  Answered at my talk page.  Thanks! [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 16:24, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
== About [[Hydrogen sulphide]] ==


==That template==
David, if you have the time, I would appreciate it if you reviewed [[Hydrogen sulphide]]. It could use some more content. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Try and start a new cluster with a metadata page and see if it is better now. i added some links to make it easier for you to get the new pages created. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 16:38, 28 March 2008 (CDT)


All I can see is, Sa-Wheeeet! Exactly what I wanted to see. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 17:36, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
== New author you may want to chat with ==


==Health Sciences style guide==
Hi, David -- we have a new author, Samuel Herec, an undergrad at Northeastern who is a musician and is insterested in biomedical devices as well as audio technology. You seem to be just the guy to welcome him. [[User:Bruce M. Tindall|Bruce M. Tindall]] 23:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Are you working on a Health Sciences style guide? [[User:Jitse Niesen|Jitse Niesen]] suggested that the [[CZ:Proposals/Standardizing the naming of biomedical articles.|Standardizing the naming of biomedical articles]] be incorporated into that. - Bob  - [[User:Robert Badgett|Robert Badgett]] 08:26, 31 March 2008 (CDT)


I have not started a Health Sciences style guide, and I am probably not the best person to do so.  It would be best for Robert Badgett to start that guide, and I could add my 2 cents later, particularly added reference to the [[Chemistry style guide]] for articles about drugs. I left him a note on his talk page a few minutes ago about this. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 08:40, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
== Financial Report as of March 15, 2011 ==


== Rottweiler ==
Please read our [[CZ:Donate|Financial Report as of March 15, 2001]] for complete details on our financial history and our current financial situation. If you have any questions, please ask them on [[CZ Talk:Donate]]. - [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi David,
== The missing mini-periodical tables from the element articles. ==


There have been some changes made, per your suggestions. The only thing I haven't addressed is your suggestion re photos (number 2?) which I didn't quite understand. [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 04:42, 1 April 2008 (CDT)
David, as of yesterday morning, all of the element articles had a mini-periodical table in the infoboxes. Shortly, after Dan Nessett upgraded our Mediawiki software yesterday evening, I noticed that all of the mini-periodic tables had disappeared from the infoboxes. I immediately informed him by posting in the "Technical Issues" forum board (see [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,3978.0.html Topic 3978.0] and by sending him an email as well.
:Thanks for the nomination. We'll get those approvals numbers up!  [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 17:06, 1 April 2008 (CDT)


==Docosahexaenoic Acid==
As he has told you, he has found out why this occurred but has not yet figured out how to resolve it ... but I am confident that he will do so in the near future. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 22:12, 27 April 2011 (CDT)
Hello Dr. Volk,
I am currently creating a [[Survival of the Fattest|page]] for a University of Colorado [[Sp08cuboulderanth4110humanevolutionarybiology|Project]].


I want to use a 3D image of Docosahexaenoic acid for my article, and was wondering if you had any images that I could use?
== Finished revising 112 of the chemical element articles ==


Thanks for any help!
Hi,David: I just finished revising all 112 chemical element articles (from [[Hydrogen]] through [[Copernicium]]. They all now use the [[Template:Elem Infobox]] and they are now all editable.
--[[User:Brian R. Head|Brian R. Head]] 11:15, 3 April 2008 (CDT)


Yes it is also called DHA. Thanks for offering to make one, i didn't intend for it to be so time consuming. I thought you may have an image just kicking around on the hard drive, however, I would certainly be very interested in anything you could make or find. Thank you! --[[User:Brian R. Head|Brian R. Head]] 22:01, 4 April 2008 (CDT)
During the course of that work, David Yamakuchi contacted me as to what I was doing ... which I explained and told him why I was doing it. We came to an amicable agreement and he revised some of the templates he had created. You can read our exchange of postings on my Talk page.


Oh and a 2D model will work fine --[[User:Brian R. Head|Brian R. Head]] 22:02, 4 April 2008 (CDT)
David had done a tremendous amount of ingenious work that involved about 5 or 6 subpages for each each element (a total of about 560 to 672 subpages). As I found in going through all of the articles, it is simply not possible to come up with any automatic "one size fits all" method for creating 112 chemical element articles. It required manually editing of each of them. It is a complex system and it took me many hours to get familiar with it.  


Thank you for the picture! It is perfect for the page. Many, many thanks! --[[User:Brian R. Head|Brian R. Head]] 11:42, 8 April 2008 (CDT)
I agree it would be nice to make it much more simple, but I don't know to do it. In any event, they are now all editable and consistent, although most of them (90% or more) are "bare bones" articles that need much more content.


:: Let me know of any others you might need. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 11:49, 8 April 2008 (CDT)
Milt


== System people ==
== Blocked account showing inappropriate categories ==


As far as I can tell, we don't have any! I've left messages on the talk: pages of several people who seemed to be involved with setting things up, and no reply.
This account is no longer a member of the categories CZ Editors | Chemistry Authors | Chemistry Editors | Biochemistry Members | Biology Authors | Physics Authors | Mathematics Authors | Music Authors | Health Sciences Authors but the userpage has been protected preventing Citizens from remedying this situation. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 07:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


I'll add the welcome message to his page manually. [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 15:47, 7 April 2008 (CDT)
:I don't think you're right about that. My understanding is that an Editor stays an Editor unless the EC says so, even if they leave or are banned. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 11:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


: PS: His account was created [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=User:Lando_Leonhardt_Lehmann&action=history a while ago], which is perhaps why his talk: page wasn't automatically created and given the welcome header. [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 16:58, 7 April 2008 (CDT)
::CZ:Editors ''should be a complete list of active CZ editors'', and David is listed [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Category:Chemistry_Editors at the chemistry Workgroup] as being an active Editor, which is of no use to anyone using the Chemistry workgroup to find active Editors as well as being a misrepresentation. Why would it be desirable to list someone who has gone through our formal resignation process as an Editor, active or otherwise? [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 11:34, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


==Just plain "Noel"==
::I think in this case your understanding is mistaken. You would be referring to [http://ec.citizendium.org/wiki/EC:2011-017 this EC motion] where the outcome was clearly stated that only an official resignation from CZ would be enough to have ones categories removed. It could be argued from the poor wording of the Motion that a separate resignation was needed for the EC, but that is not supported by the statements of the people who voted for it, and would in any event be a ridiculous proposition. We already have enough hoops for people to jump through to become ex-Citizens without requiring that resignation letters be made in duplicate.
Just "Noel" is fine. I'm one of those people who uses their middle name... I only put the "J." part in there because I'm known somewhat by my initials, JNC (which were a common way of identifying people in the early 'hacker' - the real ones, not the juvenile cyber-delinquents who appropriated the name for themselves), so I wanted to keep the opening initial there. [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 09:41, 8 April 2008 (CDT)


== Efficiency? ==
::It would appear that EC:2011-017 makes it clear that the categories listed above should be removed immediately. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 08:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


It might be more efficient to only update [[CZ:Unchecklisted Articles‎]] every 3-4 articles? [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 13:05, 12 April 2008 (CDT)
:::"Only an official request for nullification of one's Editorship, to be eventually carried out by the Constabulary, is valid." seems clear enough. On the other hand, it does seem reasonable that David should not be listed as an ''active'' editor. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] 11:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


: To each their own! :-) [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 13:22, 12 April 2008 (CDT)
::::No less unreasonable than having a list of Editors, active or otherwise, that consists partly of non-Citizens who have requested they be removed from the project. As you will know that Motion was initiated because Martin had resigned on the Forum, resigned on his userpage, but was still making flyby Editor "Rulings" when it suited - the Motion was intended to quantify that a formal resignation was required before the resignation was taken seriously. It was never meant to become a list of non-Citizens. I also seriously doubt that the many Citizens who have voluntarily resigned have been informed that they must resign in triplicate. Like I said, I hope your interpretation is incorrect because it would not only be a ridiculous situation but probably illegal under the Charter. [[User:David Finn|David Finn]] 07:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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Resigning Biology Editorship

I signed up for CZ and requested to be a Chemistry Editor, based on my PhD in Chemistry. After looking over my publications, Larry Sanger approved me to be a Biology Editor as well. Given the mood of the current Editorial Council, a council on which I once sat, and their new standards, I feel it only appropriate to resign this editorship. I do so not to make a public statement of any kind, but because I am unsure that my education, research interests and publications would necessarily qualify me under the current standards. David E. Volk 19:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

New Chemistry editor, Joel M. Williams

Hi, David:

We have a new Chemistry editor. Perhaps you may wish to post a welcome message on his Talk page. Regards, Milton Beychok 02:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

David, Your opening quote is still true several hundred years later as I can attest!! My observation is that most scientists are the most rigid folks imaginable; spouting the party lines rather than thinking - PhD's being proof that they know the party lines. Has to do with peer-pressure and the desire to maintain one's job. Thus, few are reluctant to challenge the status quo! Frankly, the folks who should be most able to evaluate matters and come up with new approaches are the retired.Unfortunately, most are too tired or just no longer give a crap! Joel M. Williams 20:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


Thanks

Thanks for the nudge on adiponutrin - it had flown below ny radar, but I've added a para.Gareth Leng 10:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Liquefied natural gas

David, I would appreciate any comments/edits/discussion you may offer on the new article Liquefied natural gas (LNG). Milton Beychok 05:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

About Hydrogen sulphide

David, if you have the time, I would appreciate it if you reviewed Hydrogen sulphide. It could use some more content. Milton Beychok 22:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

New author you may want to chat with

Hi, David -- we have a new author, Samuel Herec, an undergrad at Northeastern who is a musician and is insterested in biomedical devices as well as audio technology. You seem to be just the guy to welcome him. Bruce M. Tindall 23:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Financial Report as of March 15, 2011

Please read our Financial Report as of March 15, 2001 for complete details on our financial history and our current financial situation. If you have any questions, please ask them on CZ Talk:Donate. - Milton Beychok 22:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The missing mini-periodical tables from the element articles.

David, as of yesterday morning, all of the element articles had a mini-periodical table in the infoboxes. Shortly, after Dan Nessett upgraded our Mediawiki software yesterday evening, I noticed that all of the mini-periodic tables had disappeared from the infoboxes. I immediately informed him by posting in the "Technical Issues" forum board (see Topic 3978.0 and by sending him an email as well.

As he has told you, he has found out why this occurred but has not yet figured out how to resolve it ... but I am confident that he will do so in the near future. Milton Beychok 22:12, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Finished revising 112 of the chemical element articles

Hi,David: I just finished revising all 112 chemical element articles (from Hydrogen through Copernicium. They all now use the Template:Elem Infobox and they are now all editable.

During the course of that work, David Yamakuchi contacted me as to what I was doing ... which I explained and told him why I was doing it. We came to an amicable agreement and he revised some of the templates he had created. You can read our exchange of postings on my Talk page.

David had done a tremendous amount of ingenious work that involved about 5 or 6 subpages for each each element (a total of about 560 to 672 subpages). As I found in going through all of the articles, it is simply not possible to come up with any automatic "one size fits all" method for creating 112 chemical element articles. It required manually editing of each of them. It is a complex system and it took me many hours to get familiar with it.

I agree it would be nice to make it much more simple, but I don't know to do it. In any event, they are now all editable and consistent, although most of them (90% or more) are "bare bones" articles that need much more content.

Milt

Blocked account showing inappropriate categories

This account is no longer a member of the categories CZ Editors | Chemistry Authors | Chemistry Editors | Biochemistry Members | Biology Authors | Physics Authors | Mathematics Authors | Music Authors | Health Sciences Authors but the userpage has been protected preventing Citizens from remedying this situation. David Finn 07:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you're right about that. My understanding is that an Editor stays an Editor unless the EC says so, even if they leave or are banned. Peter Jackson 11:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
CZ:Editors should be a complete list of active CZ editors, and David is listed at the chemistry Workgroup as being an active Editor, which is of no use to anyone using the Chemistry workgroup to find active Editors as well as being a misrepresentation. Why would it be desirable to list someone who has gone through our formal resignation process as an Editor, active or otherwise? David Finn 11:34, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I think in this case your understanding is mistaken. You would be referring to this EC motion where the outcome was clearly stated that only an official resignation from CZ would be enough to have ones categories removed. It could be argued from the poor wording of the Motion that a separate resignation was needed for the EC, but that is not supported by the statements of the people who voted for it, and would in any event be a ridiculous proposition. We already have enough hoops for people to jump through to become ex-Citizens without requiring that resignation letters be made in duplicate.
It would appear that EC:2011-017 makes it clear that the categories listed above should be removed immediately. David Finn 08:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
"Only an official request for nullification of one's Editorship, to be eventually carried out by the Constabulary, is valid." seems clear enough. On the other hand, it does seem reasonable that David should not be listed as an active editor. Peter Jackson 11:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
No less unreasonable than having a list of Editors, active or otherwise, that consists partly of non-Citizens who have requested they be removed from the project. As you will know that Motion was initiated because Martin had resigned on the Forum, resigned on his userpage, but was still making flyby Editor "Rulings" when it suited - the Motion was intended to quantify that a formal resignation was required before the resignation was taken seriously. It was never meant to become a list of non-Citizens. I also seriously doubt that the many Citizens who have voluntarily resigned have been informed that they must resign in triplicate. Like I said, I hope your interpretation is incorrect because it would not only be a ridiculous situation but probably illegal under the Charter. David Finn 07:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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