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Butler Article: Approval sought

Hi Dr Lohmann! I see you've recently become active.

I've been asked to have butler nominated for approval. I assume it's in sociology, so I need a soc editor. Would you be kind enough to have a look?

Thank you.

Aleta Curry 21:53, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Welcome and congratulations on a generally excellent entry. I'm new as an editor too, and I'll have to work my way through the approval process, so please bear with me. Meanwhile, I note one apparent omission among your roster of fictional butlers that P.G. Wodehouse fans will find particularly grating. Bertie Wooster's man Jeeves doesn't appear to be there. (I see a reference to Move Over Jeeves, but not to the original. Wodehouse fans would seriously challenge your statement, for example, that Alfred, Critchton and are better known than the redoubtable Jeeves, who serves in many respects as the model for many of the movie butlers you list.

Unless I've missed something, this is an oversight you will definitely want to correct.

Also, (and this is much more along the lines of an optional suggestion): Do you think there might be a place for a brief "And The Butler Did it" exploration of the place of butlers, and more generally household staff, in mystery fiction? (This might be a possible signed article by a regular reviewer of mystery novels at one of the major newspapers, for example.)

Meanwhile, I'll get started on figuring out the approval process.

Roger Lohmann 06:25, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

Thank you so much! I have high hopes for this grand experiment, and hope it is successful. I have a distinct disadvantage, not being a technocrat--I keep reminding the boys not to speak so much computer-ese!

Your suggestions are marvelous. Please note that I most certainly did NOT forget the redoubtable Jeeves! It's just that Jeeves is a valet, not a butler. However, I'm sure lots of authors will be trying to add him in. Do you think that I should refer to this in the article?

"The Butler Did It!" Yes, certainly, sounds like a plan.

I also intend to write valet, housekeeper...all the "traditional" servants, in fact.

Would great house also come under your purview? I assume it would. Sorry for my ignorance, but my few sociology courses were generally in sociology and film--crossover courses. When I went to school there was no film department, so my film minor comprised courses in different departments: literature and film, philosophy and film, etc. I'm afraid I don't really know what's sociology and what's social anthropology.

Thanks again for your help.

Aleta Curry 17:20, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

Hi Roger. Would you consider changing the approval date for Butler until say, the 20th? I'd like to tighten that article up more.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 05:22, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

Theodor Lohmann

Hi Roger. I've started reading through the Lohmann article, creating templates and subpages, and adding CZ-links as I go along. There is one passage that reads: He belonged to the ?????? faction of the Evangelical Evangelisch-Lutheran regional church in Hanover and was involved in the assistance of youth and old people and vocational training. Which faction is meant here? I couldn't find it in the German WP or the BBKL.  Arne Eickenberg  talk 09:12, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Great! I thought subpages might be a good idea, but wasn't sure if this was the sort of article that lended itself to such treatment. The faction comment was one of the passages I was most concerned about. The other is the Robert Bosse quote and T.L.'s response. There seems to be a good bit of vernacular speech there, and I'm not at all sure if I captured the sense of what they were saying.

Also, in checking the editorial history in the German Wikipedia entry, it appears that most of that article was done by a single author, whom I cited. I don't know if that is appropriate or not. Advice is welcome.

Roger Lohmann 11:44, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

a) I edited the quote and response to account for the vernacularity. b) Can you point me to the German name of the protestant faction? I seemed to have missed that one. c) added image. d) We don't need to cite the original WP author because we don't know his/her real name. (see also my remark on the article's talk page.) The WP article seems to be mainly based on the BBKL entry, so you should either cite the BBKL author or (which would be better) further edit the article, include more sources etc.  Arne Eickenberg  talk 12:48, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

I've gone about as far as I can go with this one. It doesn't appear that we know much more in English and the translations have been A bit of editorial cleaning up, and some attention to the sub-pages and it should be finished as a Version 1.1.

Roger Lohmann 21:52, 2 September 2007 (CDT)