User talk:Larry Sanger

Archive, project start through Jan. 2007
Archive, Jan.-Feb. 2007

Constabulary blocking procedure

Currently, one point reads:

Uploading of copyrighted material.

I believe this should read "Unauthorized uploading of copyrighted material" or something to that effect.

For example, if I take a photograph, I am the copyright owner of the photo (automatic since 1976). If I then upload the photo to CZ and license it cc-by-sa (as an example), I am still the copyright owner. The licensing does not transfer or surrender the copyright. The license provides usage rights under the terms of the license. I retain the copyright. In fact, almost all material which is uploaded to CZ is copyrighted. James F. Perry 09:51, 16 February 2007 (CST)

Right you are. --Larry Sanger 09:52, 16 February 2007 (CST)

A comment here was deleted by The Constabulary on grounds of making complaints about fellow Citizens. If you have a complaint about the behavior of another Citizen, e-mail constables@citizendium.org. It is contrary to Citizendium policy to air your complaints on the wiki. See also CZ:Professionalism.

David, I have sent your complaint to constables@citizendium.org.

OK

I only created those cats that already had members - as I thought the red links looked unprofessional. I wont do anymore, sorry Iva 14:01, 17 February 2007 (CST)

It's not unprofessional to have work to do.  ;-) --Larry Sanger 14:02, 17 February 2007 (CST)

The Big SD

Larry, I added to the page

NOTE 4: don't delete recently created placeholder articles (usually just a title), created to "de-orphan" an article.

Please remove if I am mistaken.

Stephen Ewen 19:13, 17 February 2007 (CST)

No, sounds right to me. --Larry Sanger 19:20, 17 February 2007 (CST)

While I was disconnected (flu!) the article Age (geology) was deleted. Can we recover it? It was few rows indeed, but all original (there is not such article in WP).

Deletion was partly my fault, because I created the article with the comment "made article live". I suppose it now sounds like "just put the live tag", but at that time there was the rule of making articles live only after substantial editing.

If recovery is impossible, I'll rewrite it, as short as it was, it shouldn't be much difficult.

Please reply at my talk page. Ciao, --Nereo Preto 07:56, 21 February 2007 (CST)

1911 Brittanica material

I see in the del log you have encountered a few of these by Ori, too. I have been leaving them alone (e.g., Edmond François Valentin About) when not imported from WP (and hence mixed with WP stuff), even though they were not being actively transformed. Stephen Ewen 22:36, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Template Root

That's what I was afraid of, besides, manually adding new templates would get old after a while. --Paul Derry 16:45, 18 February 2007 (CST)

Sir Michael Hardie Boys

Those categories are in relation to what Sir Michael is. There are other people from New Zealand who are jurists and judges, but there are very few people today that are retired Governors-General of New Zealand. He's the only guy I know who has served as a Judge of the Kiribati Court of Appeal. I know the man personally, as I served under him whenever he needed me (on a part-time basis) from when I was 20 until 3 months after my 24th birthday. - (Aidan Work 19:50, 18 February 2007 (CST))

Well done. But none of this bears on the question whether we should be creating large numbers of arbitrary, contextless categories (i.e., social tagging). I don't think so. --Larry Sanger 19:52, 18 February 2007 (CST)

If we remove CZ Live Tag

If we remove CZ Live tag like proposed here: "The result will be a more honest representation of what we’ve done. Also, if we do a good job with this deletion, we can then remove “CZ Live” tags from our active articles, because all articles that are in our database will be CZ Live!"

Then how will we see a list of all of the articles on CZ? -Tom Kelly (Talk) 00:01, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Just look at "Special:allpages" or that's what I had in mind. I'm not sure, though, because as I've gone through a lot of the articles I've seen that many of these are redirection pages, or whatever. Hand-maintaining a list of "Live articles" might turn out to be a pretty good idea... --Larry Sanger 07:39, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Careful with the Js

Roger that. I've found a couple, too. If there looks like there has been any recent activity, I take off the SD tag and leave a note to let the editors decide. Is there a criteria for keeping that you especially want me to watch for (i.e. snakes)? Matt Innis (Talk) 06:40, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Thanks. Just the ones that are listed under "Important Notes" (and elsewhere on that page maybe). --Larry Sanger 07:37, 19 February 2007 (CST)

I see the ones you caught. I think I would have caught the Jewish one and thank goodness on Justice somebody else got there after you. Matt Innis (Talk) 08:51, 19 February 2007 (CST)

just a heads up

You might want to see this conversation.[1] Matt Innis (Talk) 12:29, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Sandbox move

Thanks, when I went here:

http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/Citizendium_Pilot:How_to_get_started_with_the_Citizendium_pilot

the section "How to start a new page!" said click on "sandbox", which I did to take me here:

http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/Citizendium_Pilot:Sandbox

However it contained an article there about qigong, which I thought someone might be working on and I didn't want to mess them up.

So I experimented to try to create my own personal sandbox for doing my drafts. I searched for sandbox and found nothing.

Thanks again for solving my problem.

Perhaps, when someone joins a personal sandbox might be automatically created for them and a link provided on the welcoming email or information provided in the "How to start a new page" section on how to get to it.David Hume 20:25, 19 February 2007 (CST)

I've just noticed how you did this, i.e. by adding sandbox to my user page. Can anyone besides me mess it up? If they can, I don't think that's a good thing. I could work entirely off line but then I would not have the right formatting, unless there's a way to download this wiki format and do it that way - is there? David Hume 20:39, 19 February 2007 (CST)

It's highly unlikely that anyone will edit your copy if it's in your userspace and more over on a page called "sandbox". Do press the "watch" tab and any changes will pop out in Recent Changes, or just monitor the page history. --Larry Sanger 22:48, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Thanks for the welcome

Glad to be back! Nancy Sculerati MD 14:24, 20 February 2007 (CST)

Confused about something

Hi Larry,

When I look at the diffs for the talk page for this article, I see your comment: [Diffs of Locality of Reference Talk Page]

But when I just look at the talk page for this article, your comments (still in the head revision) are invisible: Talk:Locality_of_reference

Is this a bug, or am I using this wrong? --Nick Johnson

It's a known bug. Sometimes the server presents the old cached version of a page instead of the correct newer version. Don't know why...wish they'd fix it. --Larry Sanger 16:25, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Sources category

Why does my article Action T4 appear with the category "Articles needing sources" at the bottom? I didn't put it there, I can't delete it, and it's not true, since the article is exhaustively sourced. Adam Carr 03:15, 22 February 2007 (CST)

I can answer that. It shows up because, when you imported it from WP yesterday, the {{Fact}} tag was and continues to be in the text of the article. The {{Fact}} tag displays as small superscripted text saying [needs cite]. BTW, if any of us intend to convert Wikipedia articles to Citizendium articles, we do best to import them just one at a time and not until we are ready to work on them. Stephen Ewen 05:13, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Thanks. Adam Carr 07:05, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Besides, any such self-referential templates need to be either deleted or moved to the talk page. --Larry Sanger 07:49, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Proper names

Larry, please see my reply at Cosmetic Surgery. Can we just figure out a way to pipe things so that capital letters do not become such an issue? Nancy Nancy Sculerati MD 09:14, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Broken Link

Hi Larry,

This link on your website is broken:

"Wikipedia subset proposal" (wikipedia-l, Oct. 2002)

More importantly, the rest are all working and provided enjoyable reading material and elucidation.

I am writing to you here rather than emailing, since I don't have an emailer which understands non-spammable addresses as you have listed on your website (i.e. I am lazy). :-)

Take care,

Larry

lmcelhiney 09:41, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Here's a direct link:

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2002-October/006387.html

Apparently, the URLs got changed...

--Larry

Bug in system, or database temporarily down?

My userpage reads

The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "(fixme, bug)".

This is usually caused by following an outdated diff or history link to a page that has been deleted.

If this is not the case, you may have found a bug in the software. Please report this to an administrator, making note of the URL.

I'm especially concerned about this one Red blood cells -- it reads

Red blood cells

There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.

I edited this page earlier and added images. The page was there.

Sharon_Mooney

I was doing databse work within the window you did your edits. The missing pages should now reappear.

-Jtp, Sysadmin

Philosophy WG

I re-posted your Jan 10 letter on Philosophy WG to the discussion page of same. Hey, you said be bold. Part of it seemed outdated following the BSD. No hard feelings if you just revert! James F. Perry 10:06, 24 February 2007 (CST)

Very strange

Why is it that when I view my complete watchlist, I see a number of redlinks to "articles" I have never edited or seen, such as: "‎Larry Sanger smokes a large, juicy wikicock (Talk)" and "‎National Socialist German Workers Party ON WHEELSS!!! (Talk)" Adam Carr 06:50, 25 February 2007 (CST)

Move vandals. We seem to have inherited WOW from Wikipedia. Just tick the box next to them to delete from your list. Neville English | Talk 07:34, 25 February 2007 (CST)

How can "vandals" make articles I have never edited or even looked at appear on my watchlist? This is a bug, not just vandalism. Adam Carr 07:37, 25 February 2007 (CST)

The vandals use(d) the 'Move page' function. (I think that I read that only editors and above can move pages now, as a response to this problem.) When that happens, the newly created page gets added to your watch list, along with the original article. When the constables set things back the way they were originally, and delete the offending newly created article it gets left on your watch list, and you have to delete it manually. This happens on Wikipedia as well. If you consider it a bug that deleted pages get left on watch lists, then the appropriate thing to do is to report it on source forge so that the MediaWiki developers consider it, and if they think it appropriate they will build it into a new release of the wiki source code. Neville English | Talk 08:06, 25 February 2007 (CST)