Talk:Human anatomy

Definition suggestions

I think "medical gross anatomy" should be added in the definition of human anatomy. The name Gross is used so often to refer to Human anatomy that I think it is worth being redundant. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 15:36, 17 February 2007 (CST)

I added a section called "Approaches to Anatomy", where "gross anatomy" is mentioned. I hope you'll agree that the study of human anatomy involves far more than just gross anatomy, which is really a subtopic. It could be argued that the section on the systems of the human body is a subtopic of gross anatomy however, since these systems can all be studied macroscopically, microscopically, and for their pathology, etc., I put it on the main page. David Hume 14:18, 18 February 2007 (CST)

Tom - Perhaps you might like to write the article gross anatomy. David Hume 14:39, 19 February 2007 (CST)

I'll try to recruit someone who can. I only have time to monitor really, add a sentence here or there, and make comments / suggestions on both articles and CZ improvements. Too busy for the next 3 years. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 16:32, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Movement

Along with orientation, I think of anatomical movements - essential for understanding of muscular skeletal anatomy. Should we include a link to the basic anatomical movements from this article? I think yes. Do you think they should be included in this article? I think no, but I like long articles, so I wouldn't mind seeing it added. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 18:39, 17 February 2007 (CST)

As Leonardo DiCaprio might say, "I concur." Perhaps you could help me find some good diagrams. Grays Anatomy has a very good one in the latest edition but I can't use that. In fact anatomical positions and terms should also really be on another page. The main page should really be as simple as possible with pointers that lead people on to more details. Perhaps the main focus might be to compare and contrast systematic anatomy with regional anatomy with appropriate links. David Hume 14:43, 19 February 2007 (CST)

I have a test coming up but I recommend the first chapter (I think) in Essential Clinical Anatomy - Moore / Agur. Unfortunately, you won't be able to use those figures. the page right after orientation has the basic movements. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 16:29, 19 February 2007 (CST)

The order of reference books

Netter is by far the most superior atlas written in my mind and I'm going to vote that it gets the number 1 spot. I would argue that Rohen Color atlas is also a superior atlas and I vote it also be considered for a higher rank on the reference book section. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 13:17, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Order them however you like, Tom. Do what you think is best. My suggestion would be to order them by complexity: introductory, intermediate, and comprehensive; alotting stars, perhaps, to indicate quality - though all books listed should be ones widely used at universities and colleges because they are considered the best and worth at least 4/5 stars. David Hume 19:56, 17 February 2007 (CST)

I don't have time to do this now - also, I only have the books I listed, but I can find the rest at the library later. I like your idea of breaking them up by difficulty. We could also break them up by type of book - text, atlas, etc. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 20:01, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Cadaver Shortage

While this is a valid topic, see http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/291/1/122?etoc, I think it really belongs in an article about medical education, rather than anatomy itself. David Hume 00:23, 18 February 2007 (CST)

I don't think people know about it though and we should try to find some way to link to it. Your thoughts-Tom Kelly (Talk) 00:31, 18 February 2007 (CST)

Perhaps a heading "topics in human anatomy" could be added which links to a page "Topics in Human Anatomy", which would function as an index or table of contents to all the sub-topics of human anatomy.

The cadaver shortage problem has an interesting history, as you can see in the above article and easily merits an entire page to itself, but I don't have time myself. - unsigned.

I just think that people may click on Human Anatomy, but not many will click on topics in human anatomy. So, you can call me bias for trying to "advertise" an issue, but I think we should somehow incorporate it in to this article, even if it is 1 link to another article with words specifically saysing there is a shortage in cadavers. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 18:49, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Books

This section is reserved for book suggestions, comments, category, and quality rating. Please try to follow the format as it will make it easier for everyone. If you have any comments about this section itself, please put them at the bottom of this section under "Discussion". Thanks, David Hume 14:35, 18 February 2007 (CST)

Guideline for categories (introductory/intermediate/comprehensive:

• text/i - mostly text with illustrations
• text/p - mostly text with photographs
• text/ip - mostly text with both illustrations and photographs
• atlas/i - mostly drawings with some text
• atlas/p - mostly photographs with some text
• interactive/t - mostly text with blank spaces for answers to quizzes, etc.
• interactive/i - mostly illustrations with either blank spaces for quizzes or opportunities to color the illustrations

Guideline for ratings:

• 1 not recommended
• 2 does not quite deserve to be listed on the page
• 3 acceptable, presents all the facts adequately
• 4 superior, has features that improve comprehension and understanding
• 5 totally mind blowing, presents features with such amazing clarity that your vision and understanding are vastly enhanced.

NB. You may not comment on a book if you are in any way associated with the authors, publishers, or distributors of that book.

  1. Gray's Anatomy – Henry Gray et al.

• • Comments:
    • a) David Hume 13:42, 18 February 2007 (CST)
      • There are two major versions of this book:
        • The cheap out of copyright version
          • rating: 3/5 (because it's out of date)
        • The latest expensive revised edition (39th ed.)
          • category: comprehensive - text/ip
          • rating: 5/5
            • it is the standard against which others must be measured.
            • I only wish the illustrations and photographs were better

  2. The Anatomy Coloring Book – Wynn Kapit / Lawrence M. Elson

• • Comments:
    • a) David Hume 20:09, 18 February 2007 (CST)
      • category: intermediate - interactive/i
      • rating: 4/5
      • a good book as long as you don't just color in mindlessly
      • also good for any child with enough eye to hand coordination to color within the lines

  3. McMinn's Colour Atlas of Human Anatomy – P.H. Abrahams R.T. Hutchings S.C. Marks Jr

• • Comments:
    • a) David Hume 20:09, 18 February 2007 (CST)
      • category: comprehensive - atlas/p
      • rating: 5/5
        • incredible photographs

  4. Netter - Atlas of Human Anatomy

• • Comments:
    • a) David Hume 20:09, 18 February 2007 (CST)
      • category: comprehensive - atlas/i
      • rating: 5/5
        • an amazing body of work

  5. Color Atlas of Anatomy - Rohen / Yokochi / Lütjen-Drecoll

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  6. Imaging Atlas of Human Anatomy - Jamie Weir / Peter H Abrahams

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  7. Essential Clinical Anatomy - Moore / Agur

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  8. Atlas of Clinical Gross Anatomy - Kenneth Moses / John Banks / Pedro Nava / Darrell Petersen 

• • Comments:
    • a) David Hume 13:42, 18 February 2007 (CST)
      • Winner of the prestigious 2005 R.R. Hawkins Award for the Outstanding Professional, Reference or Scholarly Work
        • The Atlas of Clinical Gross Anatomy by Kenneth Moses, MD, John C. Banks, PhD, Pedro B. Nava, PhD, and Darrell Petersen, provides a clear three-dimensional understanding of anatomical structures by creating a unique photographic image collection of human gross anatomy. The book was felt to be an outstanding exemplar of its genre, innovative and compelling in terms of production, and a masterpiece of utility for students and professionals alike.
      • Ref: http://web.ebscohost.com/ehost/pdf?vid=5&hid=108&sid=5ffef24f-fa3f-486b-bac7-12fb7033b46a%40sessionmgr103

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