User talk:Shanya Almafeta

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Users will not be able to specify which license they wish to license their contributions under. If you cannot agree to this, please let us know, and we'll deactivate your account.

Best, Larry Sanger 21:03, 24 January 2007 (CST)

As of right now, it's not clear what license, if any, submissions to this site are licensed under, as the site is currently contradicting itself. I just wanted to make it clear that my comments were not GFDL, as I am morally opposed to that license.
I just wanted to create the account as a placeholder, and I'm just hoping for the best, that the license selected will be one that doesn't go against my ethics. If this does not turn out to be true, I'll ask for my account to be deleted then. Shanya Almafeta 21:17, 24 January 2007 (CST)

Comment from mr. Mike Johnson


How we will license our content is an area under discussion- and we'd love work with our stakeholders on this. Feel free to post on the forums about this topic. But on the wiki itself, things become horrifically messy very quickly if we allow different users posting under their own license- trying to juggle multiple conflicting content licenses would very quickly kill the utility of a wiki. So as Larry said, our policy is that users will not be able to specify which license they wish to license their contributions under.

We'd love to have you as a contributor as you seem quite smart and motivated. But your asserted copyright on submissions conflicts with our policy (which is quite necessary). We may choose a license that's to your liking; we may not. In the meantime, would you please either remove your claim of copyright or ask us to deactivate your account?

Best wishes, --Mike Johnson 09:01, 25 January 2007 (CST)

My copyright claim is not going to be an issue, as it will not prevent my submissions from also falling under some other license -- once the site is consistenly using a single license, that is. I'm joining the discussion on the forums, so there will not be a problem.  :) Shanya Almafeta 09:51, 25 January 2007 (CST)
Shanya- that sounds great re: the forums. :) I think it'd be very helpful if you could spell out some alternatives to the GFDL and what they would mean practically. To revisit your copyright claim, though, I'm uneasy about letting two statements stand while we figure things out-- All my submissions on Citizendium are © 2007, Shanya Almafeta. and They are not released under the GFDL. For the sake of legal simplicity and following Citizendium policy, could you remove those statements? You may certainly assert a licensing preference on your user page, but not a licensing policy that differs from Citizendium's own. Thanks much- --Mike Johnson 13:36, 25 January 2007 (CST)
Fair enough.  :) Shanya Almafeta 16:29, 25 January 2007 (CST)
Shanya- just a quick note that, although it may seem like nothing much is happening on the license front, we expect to clear a hurdle in the next week or so. It's not a decision that we want to rush into. --Mike Johnson 12:43, 10 February 2007 (CST)


Thanks for the offer, but, nah, not really. I'm fixing it as we speak. I still think we should refork the entire template namespace from Wikipedia, instead of doing stuff like this by hand.—Nat Krause 12:22, 26 January 2007 (CST)

It would have been simpler to redo the 'PROD' template entirely -- for example, removing the need for secondary templates, or creating a new template somewhere where its name suggested its function. (Template:SuggestedForDeletion, perhaps?) Shanya Almafeta 12:37, 26 January 2007 (CST)
Well, actually, that's part of the problem. Some of the template interactions on Wikipedia are sufficiently complicated that I don't feel comfortable removing secondary templates without fear of making the whole thing not work. So, short of starting over from scratch, I thought it would be simpler just to bring in all the secondary templates, and I thought that would be easier than starting over from scratch.—Nat Krause 13:01, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Ooh, the only way I can agree with forking the template namespace is if we then proceed to delete most of the administrative templates, and many others. Many (maybe most) templates are worse than useless, clutter up articles, or are mere navel-gazing distractions. See this page, please. --Larry Sanger 12:29, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Hmmm, okay. I quite agree that templates on Wikipedia are sometimes used in ways that are distracting and counterproductive. I am certainly no fan of the userboxen, although it doesn't seem like a problem to import them, because they won't actually be in use anywhere and constables can go through and delete them at their leisure. As far as templates in articles are concerned, I have no strong feelings about how to improve the situation, so I will wait for guidance from Citizendium on how to deal with them. Off the top of my head, I have no idea what proportion of templates would have to be deleted as a result.—Nat Krause 12:35, 26 January 2007 (CST)
The guidance right now is: delete with prejudice.  :-) Same goes with lists of interwiki links and categories. We are not Wikipedia. --Larry Sanger 16:51, 28 January 2007 (CST)

Reply from my page about romanisation

Hello Shanya, I thought to copy and paste my reply to your question on romanistion here.

First off, I'd be using UK spelling as that is what is used over here in Singapore. I am a purist where romanisation is concerned - it's either you use all Pinyin or all Wade-Giles. That is for Mandarin; Cantonese however is a different matter. As a native Cantonese I absolutely refuse to accept the accepted systems of romanisations such as Yale or Jyutping. Instead I romanise by ear and I think I do a fairly decent job as I am also an amateur translator. I think for Mandarin, we should set the standard of romanisation as Pinyin unless the Wade-Giles is still very much in use i.e. Chungking Express. Chungking would be Chongqing in Pinyin. For, I'm not sure CZ is ready for the Yim KM system yet!!

Oh, and you're interested in Confucianism? Would you be intrigued by this concept of Confucian feminism that an intellectual friend of mine proposed? :) Yim Kai-mun 23.50, 30 January 2007 (SGT)

I'd be interested in reading it -- send it along.  :) Shanya Almafeta 11:20, 30 January 2007 (CST)
Righto. But do remember that it is only a concept that he has been playing around with - he a law student to boot. ;) I'll have to find him...assuming I can even roust him from his hidey-hole.Yim Kai-mun 23.10, 31 January 2007 (SGT)
There is a discussion of romanization policy going on in the "Article Policy" forum at,746.0.html that you might be interested in contributing to. Bruce M.Tindall 12:01, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

there are 3 active

when this is over it will be resttored if appropriate Robert Tito 22:00, 30 January 2007 (CST)

done as such Robert Tito 22:38, 30 January 2007 (CST)

I gather from the Main page history log you restored vandalism yesterday. Thanks. Tracking the changes can be confusing and it took me a while to figure out what you were doing. Robert is right in his advice to inform the constables as its difficult to sort out thing when vandals are around. David Tribe 03:59, 31 January 2007 (CST)

dont act too fast

by putting that template in pages you fooled me it was used BY the vandals next time INFORM first, since you are no sysop and I am things g(c)ood have gone wrong. So a request: a small message would suffice. Robert Tito 23:07, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Confucian feminism

Hello Shanya, I've managed to retrieve a brief portion of what my friend, Michael Ho, wrote regarding his thoughts. When I dig up the thread he posted on the China History Forum, I'll send it to you. The following portion was retrieved from this thread, which I think you may find interesting. :) Cheers!

The Yin and Yang principles have been applied to women and men respectively in Chinese tradition, and this is an important part of Confucianism as well. One problem is that some scholars considered Yin to be wholly submissive to Yang. I suggest that, first of all, Yin isn't wholly submissive to Yang: Yin also completes Yang, and in a sense, perhaps corrects Yang. Furthermore, we need not apply Yin solely to women and Yang solely to men, as these principles are applied to constructs far beyond women and men -- they are applied also to officials and kings, Earth and Heaven, etc. My purpose is to correct Confucian sexism from without and within, by combining Confucianism with modern Western feminism and by expanding on Confucianism's own inherent principles. Don't be confused: did not the Christians also try to correct the sexism in traditional Christian society? And so did many other traditions. The reasons Confucianism is overlooked are that 1) the anti-Confucians among the Chinese in the recent era has basically made the judgement that Confucianism is equal to chauvinism and has not desire to reform Confucianism, but instead want to discard it, and 2) since the May 4th movement, Confucianism has lost it's dominance and few scholars bothered with such a reform. Yim Kai-mun 23.18, 31 January 2007 (SGT)

China workgroup

Sure thing, why not? Just that I'm not sure how to go about forming a workgroup. Wiki is all very new to me; I cut my teeth on HTML. lol --Yim Kai-mun 18:39, 31 January 2007 (CST)

For your reference, I've added a Chinese disambiguation page from WP. John Stephenson 02:43, 14 February 2007 (CST)
Shoot. Now we can't put anything there. Shanya Almafeta 15:36, 15 February 2007 (CST)


that's been a while that has been active alive and kicking. I use to do some semi-programming in supercard, and of course hypercard. But then it didn't suffice my need for large amounts of data. fun to see you write about it. Robert Tito 20:55, 31 January 2007 (CST)

If you've used Hypercard, and know things I don't, by all means, please, feel free to add in more about it! I'm mostly posting about it because I read a Wired article about it and remembered all the years of using Hypercard in childhood. Shanya Almafeta 21:00, 31 January 2007 (CST)

speedydelete? NO

do you still want that page deleted? (the gathering) Robert Tito 23:36, 2 February 2007 (CST) (btw, Jeff should be working error free now)

Magic: The Gathering has been deleted...have fun! --Larry Sanger 09:34, 17 February 2007 (CST)


I understand what you wrote, but haven't studied Interlingua. (I'm as Esperantist, though.) "Interlinguistics" is a sort of cultic subspeciality of social linguistics which focuses on (a) communication between different language communities, and (b) planned languages. It's closely related to (and probably dominated by) Esperantology. Bei Dawei

I know about it... I'm an avid conlanger, and have occasionally tackled the universal language problem myself... I was just hoping there might be more than one interlinguist here. ^^; Shanya Almafeta 20:01, 6 February 2007 (CST)


You wrote on Buddhism: "... the Indian nobleman named Siddartha Gautama (often known in the West as 'Buddha,'". I'm not sure why you say that it is technically incorrect. Can you expand on this point?—Nat Krause 21:16, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

Role-playing game

I've started the article on role-playing games, and thought you'd like to know. It's good to see a member of the SJG Forums on Citizendium. :) --Matthew Cornell Woods, Jr. 06:22, 23 May 2007 (CDT)