User talk:Michael J. Formica

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Hourglass drawing.svg Where Michael lives it is approximately: 15:21

Re CZ Live

You're welcome, but there I was doing the stupid part only :) Aleksander Stos 17:59, 7 November 2007 (CST)

Yoga categorization

One of the really neat things about the subpages scheme is that it automatically places articles into categories according to what is listed in the metadata template. So if you fill in "cat1" on the metadata page, the article will automatically be placed into the corresponding workgroup category. The same is, of course, true if you fill in "cat2" and "cat3" as well.

The reason that Yoga was still in the Hobbies workgroup until yesterday is that someone had typed [[Category:Hobbies Workgroup]] at the bottom of the page. This is how we managed things before the introduction of subpages, but it is no longer necessary and sometimes even gets in the way now. I removed that tag and you can see if you click on "edit" on the yoga page that there are no longer any categories listed at the bottom. "CZ Live" and workgroup categories still appear when you look at the article, because they are placed by the subpages template. In the future, you can do everything you're likely to need to do through the metadata template (unless we come up with an even better system :-)) --Joe Quick 22:03, 10 November 2007 (CST)

I understand your frustration. As far as I can tell, I'm the only person around who knows anything about most of the topics that I've been writing on (mainly anthropology of Mesoamerica). I try to branch out where I can and I've started a couple of articles that I was pretty sure others would be able to add to but people are still pretty sparse around here in the social sciences. I'll be sure to keep an eye on your contributions and jump in where I can, but unfortunately, my interest in psychology goes well beyond my knowledge of it.
As far as new workgroups go, this is something that keeps getting put on the back burner in favor of other projects. The power to create new workgroups is more or less limited to the editorial council in order to avoid an unmanageable proliferation and I hope that a resolution will be passed soon but none has come up yet. There are a whole bevy of interdisciplinary groups that I'd like to see created (cognitive studies, gender studies, etc.) but I suspect the first round of new workgroups will be limited to area studies, biography and a few others. Hopefully, this happens soon. --Joe Quick 12:27, 11 November 2007 (CST)

Pranam, Michael. IMHO, the reason we have a hard time writing a concise piece about the MAs is because MAs has become user friendly and politically correct. It is what it is, not what we want it to be. I listed lama pai only to include something from as many countries as possible. Tibetan White Crane can also be used.

I noticed you also deleted the mention of fighting to acquire mating rights. If you look at todays larger primates, the baddest dude gets the women. As many as he can keep the others away from. I am sure that tokk place in our history before we started inter-group warfare or even large scale hunting for meat.

As for deleting MAs as the driving force behind much of science, so much of what was discovered was to make one country's army better than the next one's. Everything from the Roman system of roads to metallurgy to chemistry was driven by war and in modern times, physics, metallurgy, chemistry and most everything else has been greatly influenced by military spending. If someone doesn't tell it like it is, people will keep on believing what is pleasurable. The whitewashing of our instincts will never give us a chance to rein them in.--Gary Giamboi 15.04, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Subpage issue response

By putting the subpage template on the talk page, you get the subpage headings at the top of the talk page (not just the main article page) which can aid in navigation amongst all the subpages. Also you get the area that allows you to show the checklist and unused pages. See CZ:Using the Subpage template step 4. Matt Mahlmann 17:31, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Article authorship

Hello Michael. I noticed you removed my note of authorship from the article depersonalization disorder, and I was a little confused as to why. It was not my intention to take credit for someone else's work. Perhaps you could point out which sections I've erroneously taken credit for, and I will take them out. The concern here is not who takes ownership of the article. The concern is that we have some identical text as WP, and so either I take credit for having written part of the article on WP, or we need to release this specific article under the GFDL. I'm not too familiar with the CZ, but I believe the preference is to avoid using the GFDL (since we may be deciding on a different license in the near future).

On a different note, I'm glad to see someone editing psychology articles. Richard Pettitt 18:48, 12 November 2007 (CST)

To be clear, I was following the instructions about how to convert an article from WP to CZ. As far as I can tell, I only copied the information I personally wrote. Richard Pettitt 19:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Martial Arts categorization

Pranam, Michael. IMHO, the reason we have a hard time writing a concise piece about the MAs is because MAs has become user friendly and politically correct. It is what it is, not what we want it to be. I listed lama pai only to include something from as many countries as possible. Tibetan White Crane can also be used.

I noticed you also deleted the mention of fighting to acquire mating rights. If you look at todays larger primates, the baddest dude gets the women. As many as he can keep the others away from. I am sure that tokk place in our history before we started inter-group warfare or even large scale hunting for meat.

As for deleting MAs as the driving force behind much of science, so much of what was discovered was to make one country's army better than the next one's. Everything from the Roman system of roads to metallurgy to chemistry was driven by war and in modern times, physics, metallurgy, chemistry and most everything else has been greatly influenced by military spending. If someone doesn't tell it like it is, people will keep on believing what is pleasurable. The whitewashing of our instincts will never give us a chance to rein them in.--Gary Giamboi 15.04, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Someone would be hard pressed to convince me that the statement "and possibly his predecessors, struck upon useful techniques for hunting or fighting that eventually evolved into defensive and offensive methods that were then taught to others. The introduction of tools probably led to the development of early weaponry." would be accepted by the scientific community just as it is written. IMHO, my statement about mating is the same kind of statement as this one. So we need to be consistent in applying the rules for editing.

Sure we can come up with an idea for listing the MAs of various countries. I suggest we list at least one Ma for as many countries as possibble.Gary Giamboi 08:25, 13 November 2007 (CST)

me, too.

Michael, I was looking forward to seeing the fruits of your work. I add my name to Larry's in hoping you stick around. --D. Matt Innis 12:30, 16 November 2007 (CST)

Michael, if you recall I did get involved in the statistics article you started. It's just that I'm very busy right now, thus I am unable to do more for that article at the moment. Due to the voluntary nature of the project, it's hard to expect people to get involved all the time, so it's something that does need some getting used to. It would already be a substantial achievement for CZ if most people here could find just a bit of time to contribute one substantial article/month... Hendra 23:39, 16 November 2007 (CST)

Carl Jung redirect

Hello, Michael. I want to explain why I undid your edit to the Carl Jung article that redirected it to Carl Gustav Jung. The policy is to name articles with the commonly known names of the subject. For example, we have articles titled Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, with redirects from William Jefferson Clinton and James Earl Carter, respectively. The official policy is at CZ: Naming Conventions. —Eric Winesett 19:32, 17 November 2007 (CST)

Psychology edits

Thanks for the feedback! I signed up months ago, but this is the first article I've worked on.

Patrick Malone

Shaolin Kung Fu

Michael, nice start to this article. As a former kung fu student, I'm interested in seeing it develop. If I can help out on it in any way, give me a shout... Anton Sweeney 05:06, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Article approval

Hi Michael. I've removed the approval template from Emotional dysregulation. Basically, you can't submit your own article for approval - the application needs to come from another Psychology editor. I'd also suggest that a stub article would not attract approval - perhaps have a look at some of the existing Approved articles to see the standard required. Regards, Anton Sweeney 09:10, 7 December 2007 (CST)

DSMCR template

Michael, thanks for making this template as I was completely unaware that I shouldn't copy their diagnositc criteria without permission. (Lack of experience I guess). I also wanted to mention that it's published by the American Psychiatric (not Psychological) Association. Cheers, Richard Pettitt 12:39, 8 December 2007 (CST)

You deserve to be credited...

Well, I see you were working away on party day, which makes you one of the shy boys. I’ll have to come and drag you in next month! Aleta Curry 23:33, 9 December 2007 (CST)

I got something for you....

See Thomas Szasz. Stephen Ewen 23:11, 17 December 2007 (CST) Szasz was a visionary genius!--David Yamakuchi 23:01, 22 January 2008 (CST)

Depression diagnosis

Sometimes deleting of content is needed, but sometimes editing suffices. Please see Talk:Depression. - Robert Badgett 02:48, 19 December 2007 (CST)

MEDLINE citations

See CZ:MediaWiki Citation Tools#Diberri tool which will make your work much easier. I used it on your last depression edits. You will see it creates links to abstracts at PubMed (and to full text of more recent articles) and also caught a typo in one of your titles.-Robert Badgett 04:08, 20 December 2007 (CST)

See

enlightenment --Larry Sanger 19:01, 26 December 2007 (CST)

I just noticed that you were under the impression that I had intentionally reverted your work. I didn't touch either article. The situation right now is not acceptable; Enlightenment and The Enlightenment both exist, and both have exactly the same content. If you mean to say that the article should live at only the latter location, that's fine. But the way to do it is to redirect (use the move tab) the old location to the new location. That preserves the edit history. Then, on Enlightenment, you might add a stub about what the Buddha sought, rather than what Descartes and Hume did. It would be a good idea to interlink the pages with an italicized notice, at the beginning of the article. See CZ:Article Mechanics for relevant notes about doing this.

Also, for clarity, I would consider titling the article Age of Enlightenment, as the period is also known, although The Enlightenment is (I think) the most common description. --Larry Sanger 20:22, 26 December 2007 (CST)

Conventions

Thanks for the edits to Buddha, the Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path stubs, Michael! Simon Overduin 22:21, 26 December 2007 (CST)

Sorry, i'm not too enlightened when it comes to Enlightenment! I'm going over some of my old college reports and essays now; if i some across any pearls of wisdom i'll add them to your stub.

Simon Overduin 10:07, 27 December 2007 (CST)

RE: 1307

Hi,

Noticed you created 1307 and thought I should point you towards this discussion going on here:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:History_Workgroup#years_as_articles Denis Cavanagh 18:09, 3 January 2008 (CST)

Style pickups--thank you

Michael, thanks for the edit in Emotion regarding style--a reminder for me to review the Article Mechanics (and get reacquainted with Strunk and White). This is definitely a time when I appreciate the 'gentle expert oversight' CZ provides. I'll rein in my style a a bit and focus on providing more substantial content.

Looking forward to supporting psych articles and other psych authors where I can. Thanks again. Cheerio Louise Valmoria 05:48, 8 January 2008 (CST)

Party! You're invited!

Hi Michael — Your neighbourhood Mistress of Ceremonies here. Don’t forget to come on over to the party and sign in at one of the categories! Aleta Curry 15:36, 9 January 2008 (CST) say ‘hi’ to me here.

Style suggestion

Hi Michael, thanks for the tips. As i have virtually no expertise in yoga (or paranoia!), and am just uploading content to fill CZ's gaps, you are certainly welcome to revise at will! Simon Overduin 09:02, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Shaolin

Michael-

When creating a disambig page, you don't need to create the page with (disambiguation) next to it. You can just create the page and list the different links. That's sort of the "de facto" style for those types of pages on CZ.  ;) --Robert W King 09:03, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Hang on a sec. Is this settled? We can't have two or more pages with the exact same title, soooo...this implies that nothing "owns" a title, and everything must have brackets (Parenthesis) after it? I don't agree with that: baker is someone who makes bread, Silver is Ag, ball is something one bounces, so other things have to have (e.g.) Silver (disambiguation), silver (household) and [[Silver {horse)]]. Yes...? No...? Maybe so...? Aleta Curry 22:01, 10 January 2008 (CST)
If we're talking about the Lone Ranger's horse, that'd be Silver (horse). Household silver should really be under kitchenware or dining set. Wedding ball would be Ball (event) or something similar. --Robert W King 22:13, 10 January 2008 (CST)
I must be going blind, 'cause I don't see where my formatting mistake is in the horsie's name, but obviously, there is one. Okay, back to the subject at hand. Not to quibble, but "the silver" is not kitchenware, and a dining set is furniture. Trust me, women know about these things. But, assuming for the sake of argument that you were right, how does that change whether or not there is a disambiguation page, unless, as I tried to explain (badly, obviously), ALL items with any sort of ambiguity MUST have a subtitle in parens, and that's not a rule. Aleta Curry 22:41, 10 January 2008 (CST)
Edited to add: oh wait, I get it--you're thinking "silver" as in "silverware"; American for "cutlery"? I get it now. Aleta Curry 22:45, 10 January 2008 (CST)
"household silver" is "silverware" in the U.S. (or cutlery, although cutlery can refer to "knives and cooking utinsils" and even the disposable plastic "cutlery" used at barbeques and fairs); but more to the point there are some things which are universal enough that even though we don't direct them automatically to a disambiguation page, they mean something specific. "silver" for example, pretty much denotes the element Ag unless used in a distinct context, as in "Hi Ho Silver!" or "Quicksilver" or "get the silver out...". It's all about context and generalizations. I do agree though that there are some things which do absolutely need disambiguation just on their own. --Robert W King 08:26, 11 January 2008 (CST)
I ran into a quandry with this, myself, yesterday. I wanted to make a disambig page for Martial arts, but I can't because Martial arts is an article. So, we have 3 pages that allude to martial arts )Martial arts, Martial arts (Eastern), and Martial Arts (Western)...al of which were agreed upon editorial decisions...but when you ask for martia arts, you goet the general article, and truth be told, someone looking for martial arts info is looking for punch-kick-punch-kick...not an overview of the D-Day strategy... --Michael J. Formica 07:41, 11 January 2008 (CST)
Martial arts is already a disambig page? --Robert W King 08:26, 11 January 2008 (CST)
Nope. That's a redirect from Martial arts (disambiguation) to deal with the style thing that started this conversation. Martial arts is an article. --Michael J. Formica 10:30, 11 January 2008 (CST)
Are you looking at the same Martial_arts that I am? --Robert W King 10:41, 11 January 2008 (CST)
Yes. I just this very moment dropped in the disambig template. I will reformat the page to reflect its status later today, when I have a moment. Blessings... --Michael J. Formica 10:43, 11 January 2008 (CST)

User:Zeraeph

I dropped a note to User:Zeraeph. Fred Bauder 07:41, 12 January 2008 (CST)

collaboration

I think I've finally discovered something that we can collaborate on. Cognitive science has been an intellectual hobby of mine for some time now. I studied various aspects from the perspectives of anthropology, philosophy and linguistics while I was in college. And though I haven't yet had a chance to take any courses directly relating to the subject of cognition in grad school, my current course on the anthropology of museums feels oddly familiar.

Unfortunately, I left most of my books at my mother's house when I moved to Chicago. If you could suggest a few to check out from the library, I think I could start to give the article some attention sometime in the next few weeks. --Joe Quick 13:44, 14 January 2008 (CST)

== catalogs ==

Why didn't you put the psych catalog tag (Emotion) in the metadata page? David E. Volk 18:45, 21 January 2008 (CST)

Knights Templar

Hi Michael, I've been working on several articles of the Knights Templar which I am slowly building up for Citizendium. I contributed a lot of work to the Wiki site on the subject only to have the rather more eccentric and egotistical charcters on there getting all heated when they were confronted by someone who actually knows the subject... hence my move to Citizendium.

As the webmaster and PR officer for the KT in England, I have written many articles and personally know many of the historians in this subject, unlike some of the amateur know-alls on Wiki who wouldn't know history if it fell on their head. I was asked by the Citizendium staff to get this history area going, so have started updating your excellent start.

I've started adding in some text for the KT item, but have plenty more images and text to put in.

Thanks for starting the article, and I look forward to working with you on creating an excellent article on a very important and enigmatic piece of history.

Red Links

According to CZ's Article Mechanics, the general rule is "If our target audience would find that the article linked-to illuminates the present article, then we should link to it." (found here) So really, red links are there for understanding, not as a marker for article production as you said. While some of those links should probably stay, some of them definitely need to go. Say, 'extrasensory' and 'symptomology' for example.--Richard Pettitt 16:04, 27 January 2008 (CST)

Evincing evidence

Thanks - but I'm not suggesting repeating 'demonstrate', only removing 'evidence' and letting the first 'demonstrate' do the job twice. Ro Thorpe 17:41, 27 January 2008 (CST)

Actually I surreptitously removed the 'an' too, but if you think it's better to keep it... Ro Thorpe 08:22, 28 January 2008 (CST)

large deletes

Hi Michael, good to see your name pop up, thanks for keeping an eye on Borderline personality disorder. Keep in mind that if you make a large deletion, please leave some explanation on the talk page so those with less experience might understand your reasoning. - and do keep it professional ;-) Thanks, D. Matt Innis 21:06, 7 April 2008 (CDT).