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Welcome, new editor! We're very glad you've joined us. Here are pointers for a quick start. Also, when you get a chance, please read The Editor Role. You can look at Getting Started for other helpful introductory pages. It is essential for you as an editor to join the Citizendium-Editors (broadcast) mailing list in order to stay abreast of editor-related issues, as well as the mailing list(s) that concern your particular interests. It is also important, for project-wide matters, to join the Citizendium-L (broadcast) mailing list. You can test out editing in the sandbox if you'd like. If you need help to get going, the forums is one option. That's also where we discuss policy and proposals. You can ask any constable for help, too. Me, for instance! Just put a note on their "talk" page. Again, welcome and thank you! We appreciate your willingness to share your expertise, and we hope to see your edits on Recent changes soon. Roger Lohmann 14:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

An article you might want to look at.

Hi! It's good to see a visual arts person here. I wonder if you might have a look at the article on Waldo Peirce. Judging by your profile, it seems like you are just the person we need to review that article for approval. You might want to scan our approval standards to get an idea of what we aim for. This is a particularly good article for a new member to get started on, actually, because Peirce's nephew is a frequent contributor here: Hayford Peirce. Feel free to stop by my talk page if you have any questions. --Joe Quick 15:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Marika, thanks for your quick response. I think maybe I wasn't as clear as I should have been.
We use the words "author" and "editor" a little differently at Citizendium. An "author" is anyone who contributes to an article and anyone may act as an "author" for any article. "Editor" means a subject area expert who guides the development and eventual "approval" of articles. "Approval" here means that an "editor" has reviewed the article for content and accuracy and has signed off on it based on the approval standards I mentioned above.
I noticed that you've been confirmed as a visual arts "editor" and was hoping that you could oversee the approval process for the Waldo Peirce article. The process works somewhat like peer-review. You don't need to know the work of this particular artist in order to oversee approval, but we do need someone who is experienced with the visual arts field as a whole who can judge the overall quality of the article in terms of what should be present in an article about an artist and how material should be presented. I don't mean to pressure you, but I think you'd be a good person to fill that role. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to help you through the process. --Joe Quick 17:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

reference formatting

I usually just type in the reference information between <ref> and </ref> using the standard format for whatever field I'm writing in. A lot of people prefer to use a template though; you can find the appropriate templates here: Template:Citation. Whichever method you choose, just make sure you add <references /> at the bottom of the article so that the footnotes show up there.

I just had a look for the article you mentioned starting but I don't see anything. Did you mean you started off-line somewhere? --Joe Quick 20:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Joe! Thank you for your help. I am just putting the article together. I'll let you know when it is done. Maybe you would like to have a look at it. Best, (Marika Herskovic 22:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC))

I hadn't noticed Joe had responded, but here's some other views:
copied on Joe's page Marika, perhaps we could benefit one another, and CZ, with an actual case study. I'd welcome some review of articles on pastel and charcoal (art), where I do have some inline citations that might be good examples. Your thoughts would be welcome on both using and citing specific commercial information; it's an interesting line to explain that different manufacturers' products have different properties, and when an example is useful without implying endorsement.
Did anyone mention that you can create a "sandbox" for testing, in your user space? You can have many of them, but the most basic way of creating would be to type User: Marika Herskovic/Sandbox in the search box, and hit GO. This will ask you to create the page, to which you can go directly once it has been saved. You can substitute anything for "Sandbox".
While the full citation mechanisms can be complex, as Joes says, the most basic way to do an inline citation (please look at this in page, not edit, mode, as I am using some escape sequences) is:
<ref> reference information</ref>
I usually use templates.
This will create an inline footnote. The contents of the citation will appear when you put:
<references /> separately, at the bottom of the page will give single-column format
{{reflist|2}}, where 2 can be changed to the number of columns of endnotes you want displayed. Howard C. Berkowitz 22:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

New York School

Would you like me to set up the metadata and main subpages? Howard C. Berkowitz 00:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a great start so far! --Joe Quick 03:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Could you explain the problem?

As far as I can see in the revision histories,

  • I made a change to the lead paragraph to follow CZ style
  • moved External Links in footnotes to an External Links page
  • Delinked History because that points to the core article on the discipline of history.

I'm confused what I might have done to change the entire article. Could you elaborate? If it is the lead, perhaps we can clarify it together; the first sentence was not clear. I'd certainly explain if I had made major revisions, but I didn't think I did. We do practice cooperative editing. Howard C. Berkowitz 02:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing article

Hi, Marika -- which article is missing? The Waldo one? It seems to be there OK.... Hayford Peirce 15:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


A belated welcome, Marika--thanks for joining us. As you no doubt know by now, we need people in the arts and we're happy to have you on board. --Larry Sanger 19:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Albert Kotin

It seems to be working now. I filled in metadata, then went back to the main article, edited in on blank space, and saved. That one-character edit is something we call a "jog"; articles sometimes won't show until they are edited after the metadata is saved. It's a bug. Howard C. Berkowitz 21:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


I'm not sure quite what happened, but I've saved your article content and am going to delete and recreate the page. Looking at the change history, I am guessing that you might have deleted part of the metadata template.

When you first create an article page, it's easiest to save it without a {{subpages}} template, then open it for editing, add subpages, and save again. You will then be prompted to fill in fields in a metadata template. Until you have gotten experienced with the system, don't delete anything even though the text might suggest it. Minimally, fill in pagename, status, abc, and a workgroup -- from memory, that's all that is required. Save. It will then prompt you to create a talk page; click yes and just save without doing anything, especially not deleting the subpages that will be at the top. You will then be prompted for a definition; enter and save. Then, go back to the article page and make at least a one-character change, and save again. Howard C. Berkowitz 02:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

It's working now. Howard C. Berkowitz 02:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
f you get into technique as well as history, have fun with my pastel and charcoal (art). I actually might be able to do some work on history of photographic schools; I have eclectic early influences from Edward Weston and Man Ray. Howard C. Berkowitz 14:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't have anything online -- mostly regional juried competition in Virginia. Perhaps I can find someone with a large enough scanner to get electronic versions. One of my interests has been finding things that simultaneously give an abstract feel as well as being of very real objects. For example, one of my all-time best black-and-white images is a set of poured concrete steps at a concrete factory, in bright sunlight. In the exposure and printing, I managed to get a different tone and texture to every step and riser, with the handrail framing it.
Since I don't have darkroom access these days, film is so expensive, and my digital camera is limited, in the last couple of years, I've taken again to drawing, and wished I had studied better in high school art classes. Maybe it simply took life experience, and perhaps photographic training, to be able to see. While my friends are impressed that I can draw a cat that is recognizably a specific cat, I'm still working to have the movement and personality come through.
Anyway, my thought here had been to introduce some articles on technique rather than theory, hence pastel and charcoal (art).Howard C. Berkowitz 17:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I might not have mentioned my art work; I realized I didn't link the two articles above. Please feel free to comment. I've been wondering about the right level for CZ about technique and materials. Howard C. Berkowitz 16:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Articles not appearing?

I did make the sort sequence consistent, so under "Live articles", you'll see Abstract expressionism under "E" and Abstract impressionism under "I", so they would be subordinate to expressionism and impressionism. Otherwise,they seem to display everywhere I would expect them to display. Where do you not see them? Howard C. Berkowitz 01:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

We don't use WP-style categories. The articles are already in the Visual Arts workgroup. 01:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
The article Abstract expressionism was earlier listed in A and now it is moved. Abstract Impressionism also should be listed in A. Could you please direct me how to create categories to an article? I don't know what is WP-style category. Thanks. (Marika Herskovic 01:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC))
They both now should appear under A. Please edit your definitions so they are text only; the definition page is not designed to take blockquotes, citations, etc. Howard C. Berkowitz 01:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean as Main Article. We don't usually use that term. Oh, there can be "top-level" articles such as Art, and, in practice, we speak of the top level articles as the root of a hierarchy of articles (e.g., Interrogation). Howard C. Berkowitz 01:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I think you may have had a problem because the link capitalized both words, while the actual article title is initial cap only. Also, note the use of R-templates, not links, in Related Articles page. You can see that a definition that has other than plain text does not format correctly in an R-template. Howard C. Berkowitz 02:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)