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 Definition (c. 460 – 370 BCE) A physician, who revolutionized the practice of medicine by transforming it from its mythical, superstitious, magical and supernatural roots to a science based on observation and reason. [d] [e]

Needs add'l category. How to add Classics Workgroup

Needs add'l category. How to add Classics Workgroup.--Anthony.Sebastian 19:25, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

Chris would have to rework the {{subpages}} and related pages to allow a 4th. You need the 3 you have already more than Classics? J. Noel Chiappa 21:07, 19 April 2008 (CDT)
No. I think to put back Classics, remove Healing Arts, though latter Workgroup should collaborate and monitor, as Hippocrates developed healing arts. I wonder how hard a template change to add more categories would be for a wizard like Chris. CZ will have a lot of articles based on multidisciplinary work, so more categories would seem needed.
When we get to discussing the contents of the Hippocratic documents, botany will come. --Anthony.Sebastian 17:35, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

Biographical revisions


I changed a few things around in the presentation of Hippocrates' biography in the article. In particular, I changed the intro and moved some of the discussion from there down to a new section on Sources for the Life of Hippocrates. The main secondary source at present (at least as cited in the article) is the book by Jacques Jouanna. Jouanna is a revisionist, though, and much of the scholarship before and since has been very skeptical about the facts of Hippocrates' life. To my mind, writing the article to only reflect Jouanna's scholarship would not be neutral. I don't know the biographical tradition well enough to do this, but in this case, I also think it would really useful to go through and point out which biographical details come from which sources.

Let's get a companion article on Galen going!

Thanks, Brian P. Long 21:32, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

Brian: Thanks for joining in. It seems Hippocrates the article has lain dormant for too long. With two people now working on it, perhaps others will join in.
I like the changes you made. I'll try to add some source citations in the new material you included.
I cannot disagree about imprudence of relying solely on Jouanna's scholarship regarding the details about the historical Hippocrates, as I cannot consider myself an expert in the scholarship about Hippocrates. Though trained as a physician and clinical researcher, and in the course of my career have studied the history of medicine -- some course work but mostly on my own -- with Hippocrates ever looking over my shoulder, I never made a determined study. So I undertook to edit the dormant article from the bottom up, so to speak. Writing to learn. How nice to collaborate with someone like yourself who has more of a top down view of ancient Greek History.
Regarding getting a companion article started on Galen, I had the same thought, as Galen self-proclaimed himself the true heir of Hippocrates. But then we also must have one on Vesalius (and his artist collaborator), who dethroned Galen after more than a millennium of dominance without Galen having ever dissected a human cadaver. Then, of course, Harvey, who introduced quantitative methods into anatomy and physiology, and figured out the motion of the heart through the application of inductive reasoning.
Pleasure working with you. I expect to learn much. --Anthony.Sebastian 12:22, 3 May 2008 (CDT)


What else can I say? You know my rules, revert any of my (very minor) tweaks without hesitation, explanation or apology. And the Hippocratic oath? Gareth Leng 17:07, 26 July 2008 (CDT)

Thanks, Gareth. I consider Hippocrates still an early draft. I'd like to provide a little commentary on each of the Hippocratic Treatises, with an excerpt or two from each. Among other things. Any collaboration on the article with you, greatly welcomed. --Anthony.Sebastian 17:40, 26 July 2008 (CDT)

Thanks. Can I make a suggestion, for you to consider and reject. In the section "The emergence of Hippocratic medicine" you are using very long quote extracts. This I don't mind at all, I like to see these personally. At the same time the text that you have written stands alone - it is supported by the quotes, but can be read and make sense without them. This too I like. So I'd suggest putting the long quotes in boxes to the right of the page with your commentary to the left, so that a reader can easily if he chooses, read the commentary and skip the quotes. Or read the commentary through and browse after among the quotesGareth Leng 07:25, 27 July 2008 (CDT)

Gareth, intriguing idea, worth thinking about. I'll give it a try for text I feel really stands alone. --Anthony.Sebastian 16:58, 27 July 2008 (CDT)