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Evaluating articles 2018

Start April 2, vote April 24

Result of voting


  • Hayford Peirce
  • Anthony Sebastian: Cryptology yes; DNA yes.
  • Martin Wyatt
Because of things coming up, I am getting my votes in early.
Cryptology: abstain
DNA: re-approve

--Martin Wyatt (talk) 19:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Previously approved articles for reevaluation

Cryptology/Citable Version

Seems to me that this is an *awfully* short "article". It really seems to be just a way station to send the reader elsewhere. But, I suppose, there's no rule or precedent that *precludes* it being "approved" or "cited". But I will be happy to hear other opinions about this. Hayford Peirce (talk) 23:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Hayford that this article is just "a way station" to send the reader elsewhere. Because of that, I have incorporated the related articles tab into the article so that the reader can pursue the topic of cryptology. I also put the date of the reference article by Rivest into the citation. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 23:24, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Wow, what a difference! Thanks, Anthony! Hayford Peirce (talk) 23:44, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I am still not sure of the value of having it as a "citable" article. Who would want to cite it? And can we vouch for all the related articles? --Martin Wyatt (talk) 11:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

DNA/Citable Version

Looks like an amazingly complex article to me, written by experts and fully referenced. So, subject to comments by you, I will certainly be voting in favor of it. Hayford Peirce (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
I can just about make out the writing on the diagram that Peter Jackson refers to, but I agree it ought to be larger/clearer. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 11:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
We should re-approve the article. Gareth Leng has agreed to work on the editable main article to update it. Then we can consider it for re-approval, rendering it citable version 2 if approved. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 21:10, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I vote FOR. Hayford Peirce (talk) 22:31, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Start February 19, vote March 2

Result of voting

List of Cleveland Storm football seasons: The Committee votes not to approve this 'article'.
Alcmaeon of Croton/Citable Version: The Committee votes to retain this citable version.


List of Cleveland Storm football seasons

  • Hayford Peirce
  • Anthony Sebastian
  • Martin Wyatt - sorry, I completely missed this going up. I am going to vote no, because I don't know what qualifies a list as an article. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 11:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Hayford Peirce -- I'm generally pretty all-inclusive, but I think that if Larry were still around he would have insisted that this "article" go into what he called "Catalogs" -- I think some of the tennis stuff I did a long time ago were NOT allowed to be "articles" but are still around as "catalogs". Also, the ONE footnote or reference for this VERY detailed "article" does not work. So there's no verification for *any* of it. Remember in the early days when some kid in New Mexico (I think) created numerous phony articles about hockey players and imaginary high schools (as I vaguely recall)? He caused an enormous amount of trouble, and it took a lot of effort to clear things up. So I am definitely voting NO on this one. Hayford Peirce (talk) 16:24, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Alcmaeon of Croton/Citable Version

  • Hayford Peirce
  • Anthony Sebastian
  • Martin Wyatt: Re-approve (but I think Pythagorus needs to be corrected to Pythagoras). --Martin Wyatt (talk) 11:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Hayford Peirce: Re-approve -- and I have corrected the Pythagoras spelling. Hayford Peirce (talk) 16:36, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Previously nominated article for consideration of approval

A lack of references makes it very difficult to fact-check this article. It should not be the job of the Approvals Committee to search for the appropriate sources for fact-checking; the author needs to tell us where he got his data from. I would encourage the author to do so before we consider this article for approval. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Previously approved article for reevaluation

I probably should recuse myself from voting inasmuch as I wrote this article. I did check the online links in the reference section and they appear valid. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 00:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Start February 12, vote February 23

Results of voting

By unanimous vote, the Committee rejects approval for Liquefied natural gas and encourages users to rectify the dead online links in otherwise excellent article. The Committee suggests removing History of agriculture/Citable Version as a citable version and encourages users to consider alternative ways to structure the topic. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 23:37, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Previously approved article for reevaluation

I stand by the rude comments I made on the Talk page of this article. It is no defence of the decision to approve to say that "CZ urgently needs approved articles" if they are as inadequate as this. If it is to be re-approved (I hope not), it should be the updated version which includes my improvements (though these are themselves inadequate). --Martin Wyatt (talk) 20:21, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I agree substantially with Martin and I add the following comments: (a) the subject, History of agriculture, is too large a topic than one article can cover with as few sub-topics as this article contains; (b) as it stands, the referencing is grossly inadequate; for example, the long section on agriculture in the Middle Ages has no references at all; (c) most of the references in the reference section have no online links.
I suggest we remove this article as a citable version and encourage interested users to consider alternate ways to structure the topic. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 00:53, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Previously nominated article for consideration of approval

I see no reason to differ from the very positive views expressed on the talk page. However, this article reinforces my prejudice against quoting online sources rather than printed ones. As far as I can see none of the links, except the one to a printed source, is now working. I could have a go at repairing some of them, but I am not good at that sort of thing. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 20:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I see Martin's point about the references. I tested the first 10 online references, and none of them worked. I suggest withholding approval on this article until such time as Users can rectify the references. If the reader cannot access the references, the article cannot be approved. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 22:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Without even looking at the article, I have to agree with Anthony on this -- one or two broken links in a LONG article can be overlooked, I suppose, but if the first TEN don't work, then essentially the article is without sources or citation. So I will vote NOT to approve it. Hayford Peirce (talk) 23:14, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Start January 22, vote February 2

Result of voting

By majority vote, the Approvals Committee approves Industrial cooling tower and re-certifies Jane Addams/Citable Version. We encourage users to work on the Main Article Jane Addams for consideration of re-approval.

Previously nominated article for evaluation of approval:

This article seems approvable, and I would vote yes unless otherwise convinced by the other members of the Committee. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 22:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

My only problem is that the links on references 3 and 9 no longer work, and the link on reference 5 timed out, so I don't know whether it works or not. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 15:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Martin, I fixed the three references you referred to. They now work. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 22:57, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Previously approved article for reevaluation:

I have a little knowledge of the history of the settlement movement in Britain, but none of that in America, so I just take an independent view of it. If we are going to re-approve this article, the question is which version. The Main Article contains a number of changes to the Citable Version which are, I think, mostly improvements. The main exception to this is the deletion of the paragraph on lesbianism. There was considerable discussion on the talk page about this paragraph prior to approval, and in the end a change was made in a footnote. Some time after the approval, Russell D Jones, who had taken no part in the previous discussion, removed the whole paragraph without giving any reason that I can discover. There doubtless is a reason, but it cannot be judged. My own inclination would be (1) to use the Main Article, but (2) to reinstate the paragraph, and (3) to promote the comment in the footnote to the text. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 20:48, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I labeled the current citable version, "Version 1, 17-Aug-2013", in the event we want to follow Martin's suggestion. I think the article is ok in its current citable version. The main article needs further work: there has been 3910 new articles/books published since 2014 under Google Scholar search term, "Jane Addams" biography. Some of those should be incorporated into the main article, both as text and references. Also, the referencing needs more links to online versions/excerpts. The section on further reading could use annotating. My preference could be to vote yes on keeping the current citable version as is, then reconsidering the main article for re-approval after it has been reworked. Anthony.Sebastian (talk) 01:03, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
I have just realised that the deadline for this is almost on us, so will just say that it looks as though we will do what Anthony suggests, which is fine to me. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2018 (UTC)