User talk:Jitse Niesen

Jitse Niesen

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Why is this a "bureaucrat" account? Thanks. Aaron Schulz 12:51, 13 January 2008 (CST)

I think Larry made it bureaucrat so that I could turn on the 'bot' flag myself. But ask him to be sure. It doesn't need the 'bureaucrat' flag. -- Jitse Niesen 13:12, 13 January 2008 (CST)

Haha! He told me to ask you! OK, so I suppose the right can be removed then. Aaron Schulz 13:31, 13 January 2008 (CST)

Yes, go ahead. -- Jitse Niesen 13:32, 13 January 2008 (CST)

Core articles / graph theory

I just noticed that graph theory was in the list of core articles for both computers and mathematics. Math is a better home for it than computers, so I removed it from the computers list of core articles. However, if mathematics decides not to include graph theory in its final list, I would appreciate a heads-up so I can restore it to our list.

Thanks, Warren Schudy 14:10, 13 January 2008 (CST)

Bot request

Would you mind using your bot to fill in a number of categories? I recently wrote templates for the Categories of the form Category:[Workgroup name] [Subpage type] (like Category:Geography External Link Subpages, and it'd be nice if you could use your bot to fill them in.

The way it would work was, for each Workgroup name (from the CZ:Workgroups page), put this:

{{Workgroup Related Articles subpages|group=group name}}

on Category:group name Related Article Subpages and this

{{Workgroup Bibliography subpages|group=group name}}

on Category:group name Bibliographies and this

{{Workgroup External Links subpages|group=group name}}

on Category:group name External Link Subpages.

I'll have more subpage types templated pretty soon, but these are the default, most common, ones.

Let me know if you can help with this! -- JesseWeinstein 15:42, 24 January 2008 (CST)

Sure, that should be no problem. -- Jitse Niesen 10:47, 26 January 2008 (CST)

This has now been done. I didn't change the 21 pages that already existed, but I made a list of them at User:Subpagination Bot/Task 2. -- Jitse Niesen 12:12, 26 January 2008 (CST)

Wonderful! Thanks you. I'll have more for you real soon now... JesseWeinstein 03:05, 28 January 2008 (CST)

And now I do: Works (Category:X Works Subpages), Discography (Category;X Discographies), Filmography (Category:X Filmographies), Catalogs (same category name), and Timelines (also same category name). You may want to only create the Discography categories that are populated, but all the others are already well covered, so you might as well make all of them. We've got Special:Wantedcategories down to 576 (from over 700), and this will certainly help finish it off. If you want, you can wait until I (or you, if you like) generate templates for more of the subpage types, then do them all in one batch. Thanks! JesseWeinstein 02:53, 29 January 2008 (CST)

All done. I just created all of them; it's not really a problem if they're empty. Three categories already existed; again, see User:Subpagination Bot/Task 2 (at the bottom). -- Jitse Niesen 09:39, 29 January 2008 (CST)

And the rest of them: Gallery (Category:X Galleries), Audio (Category:X Audio Subpages), Video (same), Code (same), Tutorials (Category:X Tutorials), Addendum, (Category:X Addendum Subpages) & Signed Articles (Category:X Signed Articles). I didn't bother to make one for Student Level because we don't have any, yet.

We still need to figure out what to put on the Approved ones, and some of the main categories don't exist yet, either... JesseWeinstein 00:13, 30 January 2008 (CST)

Done, even the rather ominous sounding Category:Military Tutorials ;) I took care of the one category that already existed, Category:Food Science Galleries. -- Jitse Niesen 13:05, 30 January 2008 (CST)

Oh Recipes!

Please have a look at CZ:Proposals/Recipes_Subpage_and_Accompanying_Usage_Policy#Concrete_Steps_Ahead and kindly do the needful. Supten Sarbadhikari 22:24, 2 March 2008 (CST)

Proposals on Naming Conventions

Jitse - I've submitted a proposal on Naming Conventions for Biographies, which has been assigned to the ad hoc queue, as has another proposal regarding Standard naming of biomedical (and other) articles. The proposals policy page says that the Editorial Council has remit over naming conventions.

So - as I want to move my proposal forward, I need to know if it will remain with an ad hoc decision-making process, or if it should be sent on to the Editorial Council. If the former, I'd like to get some idea what exactly I should do with it. Because of the EC issue, I'm going to ask Larry to look at this question here. Anthony Argyriou 12:21, 3 March 2008 (CST)

Hi Anthony--the reason I put it under ad hoc is that the Editorial Council should not be burdened with proposals on every small detail. There are many details of policy that the Editorial Council can pass "by acclamation," i.e., simply giving Council members the opportunity to vote on it. We've run many things past the Council this way, with no complaints so far. Notice the "caveat" I put on CZ:Proposals/Naming Conventions for Biographies. --Larry Sanger 12:38, 3 March 2008 (CST)

Ah - I'd missed that edit. I will canvass the contributors so far, and ask for their concurrence. I'm not on cz-editcouncil - can I post to it, or do I need someone else to? Anthony Argyriou 13:06, 3 March 2008 (CST)

Hi Jitse: I assume the next step is agreement by the Approvals and Feedback group? I've ammended the form accordinglyGareth Leng 10:57, 4 March 2008 (CST)

If you are happy with it, then you can submit it to the group. I've no idea how they will decide since it looks like the group is still being formed. -- Jitse Niesen 17:11, 4 March 2008 (CST)

Proposal on external feedback

I've set a new deadline and changed next step to getting permission from the approvals group. This may be a bit challenging, since as far as I know that group has never made any official decisions before. Warren Schudy 10:12, 6 March 2008 (CST)

Proposal on translations of approved articles

Jitse,

Thanks for your heads-up, I rewrote and completed my proposal. Please advise on whether you think it is well formed. And feel free to add your name behind any of the implementation points. :o) Jens Mildner 16:33, 8 March 2008 (CST)

Proposal on crediting authors

I think the credit proposal should be converted into an issue. According to the rules you're supposed to supervise that process. This should have been done a while ago, but since the proposal process is so new no one remembered. See my recent comment in the proposal and the relevant paragraphs of the proposal policy. Warren Schudy 00:33, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

Too late, Warren: it's already before the Editorial Council. Besides, the way an issue would be considered by the Editorial Council (i.e., by parliamentary procedure) is precisely via the amendment process, which we are going to use. --Larry Sanger 01:13, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

Internationalization sandbox

Thanks for this opportunity to change the deadline. Aleta determined this deadline, and I accepted it when i became the driver. In the beginning, this looked perfectly alright: many people were sharing their insights in the discussion section.

But the requirement that was added after I became the driver (see here), that the proposal "should be generally vetted by the community, not just the Executive Committee." and that "there must be broad (if not unanimous) support for the proposal before it moves on to the Executive Committee") made the success of this proposal appear unlikely, since we already had a fair number of Nays.

Louise Valmoria, Aleta Curry and I brought some good points, I think we're addressing problems, but the activity on this page remains close to zero.

My feeling is that I should reformulate the proposal to reflect those new insights, and other good ideas that might be brought up. I will then invite all people who contributed to this proposal page to reassess the proposal, and then, if it works well enough, it will be possible to discuss details. My general impression is that the struggle for a consensus could be damaging to the proposal: I'd rather have a proposal that gathers many passionate partisans and some opponents who would tolerate to give it a try. My understanding is that many things in CZ are determined and done without a consensus, but through votes and great work from proponents, and this is something I have in great esteem; I think it is pro-active and realistic. I would feel a little bit naive if I tried to reach a near consensus in the next weeks. I'll reflect on this difficult problem, now that I have a new deadline.

Comments welcome!

Pierre-Alain Gouanvic 14:02, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

Is this "there must be broad (if not unanimous) support for the proposal before it moves on to the Executive Committee" actually a requirement? It looks to me as though it's a suggestion from Larry, aimed at ensuring that this proposal has broad-based support. I must strongly object to this being viewed as a necessity, because it stacks the deck and flouts the democratic process, as we will clearly not get unanimous approval. I would suggest to you that if we waited for unanimous approval on every issue, very little on CZ would actually get done.

Then, too, what is "broad support" for the proposal? Define it, someone? Seems to me that the proposal already clearly has "broad support" by any reasonable definition.

Is this issue, like that other one that's taking so much time and energy and causing such hard feelings, simply to be divided into the "haves" and the "have nots"? I note that the (overwhelming?) majority of naysayers are people whose native tongue is English, on the grounds that it will damage the English-language wiki. I, like Gareth Leng, do not see why this should necessarily be so, and I think it is for the English-language speakers to demonstrate specificially how allowing people to write in their own languages *must* act to the detriment of the English-language wiki, otherwise it sounds like so much xenophobia.

Pierre-Alain, if you want to reformulate the proposal as you say in your last paragraph, above--go to it, brother!

Aleta Curry 18:28, 12 March 2008 (CDT)