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::::What I have in mind here are links to the MC forum threads in which the respective motions were passed. Most of these are public in the sense of being readable by anyone with the URL. I completely agree that there is no point in trying to dig out any discussions prior to that. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 18:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC) | ::::What I have in mind here are links to the MC forum threads in which the respective motions were passed. Most of these are public in the sense of being readable by anyone with the URL. I completely agree that there is no point in trying to dig out any discussions prior to that. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 18:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC) | ||
:::::Daniel, that would still require searching for the MC forum threads to 33 passed motions in 2010 and 2011. Perhaps, when the MC is back up to full strength, someone might perform that chore. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 20:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
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Link to forum threads?
I am glad this page exists but would find it more useful if it contained links to the forum threads (if public) behind that decision. That helps in interpreting existing policy. --Daniel Mietchen 03:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Daniel, just as a guess, I would say that about 75% or more of our motions did not originate on the public forums. They originated within the MC itself. At this point, it would take a great deal of time to go back and search all of the forum thread to see if any were relevant to each of our many motions ... and we have no one available for such a task. - Milton Beychok 05:40, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Article 24 of the Charter says "The Citizendium shall be devoted to transparent and fair governance". Now this is just a question, not an accusation or even an observation, but do you think that the 75% (estimated) of decisions that have no public discussion fulfill Article 24? David Finn 10:03, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- David, not everything in life is black or white ... there are many shades of gray. What I said above was that about 75% of our passed motions were originated by members of the MC. The MC created four forum boards (see the definitions of those boards on the forums). Only one of those boards was complete private. The other three provided varying degrees of transparency into our discussions.
- I can assure you that if all of our discussions of motions had been completely public and open to comments by all Citizens, we would still be discussing most of the motions ... and very little would have been accomplished. As is, we had two members resign because of the constant demand for new legislation, new appeals and the constant bickering on the public forums (the non-MC and non-EC forums). That is the best answer I can give you, David ... and it is my last word on this subject. Milton Beychok 16:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- What I have in mind here are links to the MC forum threads in which the respective motions were passed. Most of these are public in the sense of being readable by anyone with the URL. I completely agree that there is no point in trying to dig out any discussions prior to that. --Daniel Mietchen 18:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Daniel, that would still require searching for the MC forum threads to 33 passed motions in 2010 and 2011. Perhaps, when the MC is back up to full strength, someone might perform that chore. Milton Beychok 20:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)