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|}== Clarification please... ==
Clarification please...
# The actual metagpage is supposed to be in the <code>Template:</code> namespace, correct?
# With regard to the actual metagpage, for some articles the "pagename" field and the "abc" field will be the same, correct?  <p>This is not obvious, and I think should be explicitly stated.  So, [[Mao Zedong]]'s name is a chinese name, where his family name, [[Mao]], comes first.  So his two fields are the same.
#* Obviously articles about people with western style names, where the surname comes last, should have different values for these fields. 
#* Well, for nautical vessels, should we just go with what make sense, or is there a style guide?
#* Wikipedia's disambiguation page lists: [[HMS Discovery (1600)]], [[HMS Discovery (1651)]], [[HMS Discovery (1692)]], [[HMS Discovery (1719)]], [[HMS Discovery (1741)]], [[HMS Discovery (1774)]], [[HMS Discovery (1789)]], [[HMS Discovery (1800)]], [[HMS Discovery (1874)]].
#: So, their abc field would say something like: "Discovery, HMS (1741)", or "Discovery, HMS, (1741)", or "Discovery, HMS, 1741".  Someone just trying what makes sense could pick any of those three...
# If subpages are to be used some are more or less essential, while others are optional? 
#* Article's specific talk page is not considered optional.  It should exist, even if all it should contain is <nowiki>{{subpages}}</nowiki>, correct?
#* The Definition subpage is optional, but if it exists its first line should be <nowiki><noinclude>{{subpages}}</noinclude></nowiki>, correct?
#* The optional Related article subpage, if it exists, should also begin with <nowiki><noinclude>{{subpages}}</noinclude></nowiki>, correct?
# When I first started using subpages here, I thought they were a good idea.  Then, when I started an article under a slightly wrong name, and created all the metapages for it, before I realized the name was wrong.  I know someone, eventually, created a way to move the article, and all its subpages.  But I can't remember how it is done.
# The guided form used to offer a list of approved templates.  I always struggled to figure out which categories to use for articles I thought should belong to the non-existent Transport category.  Could a transport category be allowed?
# There was another template, <code>Template:Creditline</code>.  It also required creating a new template for each image where the same credit should appear on all images.  But <nowiki>{{creditline}}</nowiki> had to be explicitly put in the images caption.  <p>Is it also old? Should I consider it deprecated?
Cheers!  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 16:27, 26 March 2022 (CDT)
== Underscores ==
Underscores for spaces are filled in automatically in the main URL, so they just need to type the article name after <i><nowiki>https://citizendium.org/wiki/</nowiki></i>. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 05:51, 30 March 2022 (CDT)
== Instructions ==
We could put the instructions on how to create a cluster further towards the top, with more detailed explanation below. Also, including <nowiki>{{subpages}}}</nowiki> is the most important point. I'd put them in the order 2-4-1-3. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 05:54, 30 March 2022 (CDT)
== comments ==
I took a look at [https://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Pat_Palmer/sandbox/How_to_create_a_subpages_article_manually&curid=205076&diff=866193&oldid=866089 today's edits]. 
* You referred to the standard subpages as articles in this sentence ''"Each of the five articles above must have the <nowiki>{{subpages}}</nowiki> template as their first line."''  I think you meant "pages" or "subpages"...
* I think "Gerald Form" must be related to Gerald Ford.
* People who can't figure this out - we want them to feel okay about not using subpages, correct?
* The old form that automated filling out the metadata page is too old to work properly, after the upgrade.  Have I got that right?  So, what language(s) are these forms written in?  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2022 (CDT)

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