Talk:History of Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh article(s)?

Is it necessary to have two articles on the history of Pittsburgh? Both are approved but could be merged into one. Also, there is no article on Pittsburgh itself as I write this - perhaps the history articles could be copied there and cut down into a shorter history section, with room for non-history sections. John Stephenson 19:17, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

This is essentially a WP import: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Pittsburgh&oldid=124941132 from 2007. There is some re-writing here, but not enough for my taste. Essentially what the CZ editors did back in 2007 was to approve a WP article. I'd prefer to see the approval status removed and the article re-combined with Pittsburgh, History since 1800 (also another approval of a WP article whose approval IMHO should be removed) to form History of Pittsburgh. You can see also in the edit history an edit war between Jensen and Sanger over the name of the article.

The "discussion" to split the article is found here: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Talk:Pittsburgh,_History_since_1800/Draft

Russell D. Jones 20:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree. As you're a History Editor, and the previous Editor is no longer active, I think your view is enough to start this process. Unless anyone objects, I'll try to de-approve and merge them in the next few days. John Stephenson 21:07, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

As part of the process, the talk pages should be merged too so that we don't loose this history of decisions... Russell D. Jones 21:53, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll have a go, but these pages are a real mess. I've just discovered that the articles actually started out at History of Pittsburgh (disambiguation), and then people have just copied-and-pasted everywhere. So whatever happens, we will lose some of the history lists. Perhaps it would actually be better to copy everything to History of Pittsburgh (disambiguation) and then rename that to History of Pittsburgh, in order to preserve the upload by the original author (who wrote it on Wikipedia and imported it from there, apparently). John Stephenson 21:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like the right plan. The division at 1800 seems pretty arbitrary (as all historical periodization is on some level) to me. Russell D. Jones 12:49, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• The link to the imported version is above.

John, in really thinking through this problem, I think I've hit on another solution. The problem is that by deleting the "history to 1800" and "history since 1800" articles is that we also lose the archived versions of those articles. A later author/editor will not be able to recover, for instance, the references that Jensen deleted on 1/15/08, because that version will have been deleted. A better solution would be to put redirects in on the "History to 1800/Draft" and "History since 1800/Draft" pages as this will preserve the versions. Russell D. Jones 13:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit Histories

In recombining the article, the edit histories of the two divergent articles have been preserved at:

• Pittsburg, History to 1800 and
• Pittsburg, History since 1800

/History to 1800

The edit history for Pittsburg, History to 1800:

   (cur | prev) 05:57, June 8, 2009 Caesar Schinas (Talk | contribs) m (19,256 bytes) (Bot: Update image code) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 05:00, January 16, 2008 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (19,292 bytes) (drop redlinks) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 01:47, January 15, 2008 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (19,335 bytes) (drop useless refs) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 01:45, January 15, 2008 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) m (19,413 bytes) (drop unnecessary refs and add links) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 01:23, January 15, 2008 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (20,239 bytes) (work on cleaning up footnotes) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 00:38, January 15, 2008 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (21,166 bytes) (add further reading) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 00:31, January 15, 2008 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (22,207 bytes) (drop useless red links from Wikipedia) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 13:32, December 7, 2007 Chunbum Park (Talk | contribs) m (23,008 bytes) (grammar on lead) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 21:02, November 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (23,008 bytes) (or these) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 21:01, November 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (23,107 bytes) (don't need this anymore) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 21:01, November 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (23,168 bytes) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 11:13, May 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (add link to approved version) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 11:12, May 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (Create draft page and adjust categories)

/History since 1800

The edit history for Pittsburg, History since 1800:

   (cur | prev) 13:46, June 11, 2009 Caesar Schinas (Talk | contribs) m (25,672 bytes) (Bot: Update image code) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 05:57, June 8, 2009 Caesar Schinas (Talk | contribs) m (25,678 bytes) (Bot: Update image code) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 22:47, March 10, 2008 Todd Coles (Talk | contribs) m (25,726 bytes) (typos) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 20:58, January 15, 2008 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (25,727 bytes) (found ref) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 20:55, January 15, 2008 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (25,656 bytes) (found ref) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 00:58, January 15, 2008 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) m (25,502 bytes) (→notes=: extra +) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 00:45, January 15, 2008 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (25,503 bytes) (add further reading and drop some red links) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 21:10, November 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (29,115 bytes) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 02:57, October 9, 2007 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (29,267 bytes) (add 1892) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 22:48, July 25, 2007 Jason S. Colflesh (Talk | contribs) m (→The Iron City (1800–1859): Updated link to Main Line Canal.) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 14:19, July 4, 2007 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (→See also: drop redlinks) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 14:19, July 4, 2007 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (cleanup; drop lots of useless links) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 23:27, June 25, 2007 Richard Jensen (Talk | contribs) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 11:37, May 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) m (undo)
   (cur | prev) 11:36, May 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (add link to article) (undo)
   (cur | prev) 11:35, May 1, 2007 D. Matt Innis (Talk | contribs) (create draft page)