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==Archives==
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==Thanks==
Will do.[[User:Gareth Leng|Gareth Leng]] 17:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
== Re: your note on my talk page ==
I do not think that it is necessary for me to become an editor as far as approval of the NMR spectroscopy article is concerned, as it is clear that there are three well qualified editors - D.E.Volk, Paul Wormer and yourself.  Also, we are in the middle of our semester now; our vacation starts in May and hopefully this article will be approved by then - at that time (in May) I can apply to be an editor.
  Thanks for the invitation.  [[User:Sekhar Talluri|Sekhar Talluri]] 17:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
== Please note my post at [[Talk:AN-]] about final approval tomorrow ==
Daniel, just notifying you about my post at [[Talk:AN-]] regarding final approval tomorrow of [[AN-]]. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
== Any plans for these? ==
I can't tell if these are lost or whether they are going to be part of articles? No big deal but just not sure what to do with them in their orphaned state.
*[[Self-replication/Bibliography]]
*[[Skeleton/Bibliography]]
*[[Genome/Bibliography]]
*[[Environment_%28biology%29/Bibliography]]
*[[Cerebellum/Bibliography]]
*[[Computational_biology/Video]]
*[[Single-nucleotide_polymorphism/Bibliography]]
*[[Whistling/Bibliography]]
*[[Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation/Bibliography]]
[[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 06:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing them out to me - how can I keep track of such lost pages via a single category or special page? I normally create a stub for the articles on which I collect references here but sometime the server is too slow to really go through the whole page creation process. So these ones are back on my list now, and I will create those articles during the next week or so. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 09:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
::This category should have most of them ([[:Category:Orphan subpage]]).  Note though that many listed in there will be "fossil" pages, ones that had the template but do not any longer.  This is one of the problems with adding categories with the subpages template.  While the categories on each page are always current the presence of an article on a category page depends on a recent edit; the categories don't register correctly unless there is an edit to the page.  Thus, the list of articles in any category can become outdated quite fast if pages remain unedited.  It's a real pain and makes categories somewhat problematic for maintenance tasks. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 16:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
== Please note my posting on [[Talk:Concentration (chemistry)]] ==
Daniel, I would very much appreciate a response to my posting at [[Talk:Concentration (chemistry)]]. Thanks in advance, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 19:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
== Kugelfunktionen ==
Daniel, I know that WP.de calls these functions ''Kugelflächenfunktionen'', but I have here Courant-Hilbert, ''Methoden der mathematischen Physik'', Band I (Heidelberger Taschenbücher 1968). On p. 270 we find the ''Schwingungsgleichung'' with solution ''Ansatz'' ''u''(''r'')''Y''(&theta;, &phi;). Then a few lines down: ''nur für die Werte k = n(n+1) genügt werden kann, und zwar durch die Kugelfunktionen Y<sub>n</sub>(&theta;, &phi;)''. The term ''Kugelflächenfunktion'' appears once (p. 274) in Courant-Hilbert (and ''Kugelfunktion'' very often), and this ''flächenfunktion''  is on a ''beliebiges Gebiet auf der Kugeloberfläche''  (not on the whole surface).  In addition, I own  a German translation of Edmonds:  ''Drehimpulse in der Quantenmechanik'' (Hochschultaschenbücher 1964) where on p. 31: ''Die Y<sub>lm</sub> sind somit die Kugelfunktionen''. --[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 08:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I had not checked WP on this one but I know both terms are in use, even though most references I read on them were in Engels. In a German phrase, one could indicate the existence of the two terms by writing "Kugel(flächen)funktionen" but this would probably be irritating here. So I changed it into the one that I think is more specific (there are other, though rarer, uses of "Kugelfunktion") and more frequently used in this context. If you're not satisfied by that, I would suggest to use the term employed in the German translation of Landau/Lifshitz (don't have it at hand but could drop in to a library somewhen during the next few days). --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 17:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::Why would a translation of Landau-Lifschitz be better than the German of two famous Göttinger mathematicians, Courant and Hilbert? Their book was the Bible for all early quantum mechaniciens, including Landau no doubt. The book has an enormous prestige, for a large part due to Hilbert's prestige of course. Anyway, I would be surprised if the translator of Landau-Lifschitz would not use ''Kugelfunktion''. In any case the translator of Edmonds uses it.
::I looked at yet another German book (H. Teichmann, Vektor und Tensorrechnung) and Teichmann uses ''Kugelfunktion'' for what I would call [[solid harmonics|irregular solid harmonic]] (power r<sup>L+1</sup> in the denominator) and indeed Kugelflächefunktion for spherical harmonics.--[[User:Paul Wormer|Paul Wormer]] 18:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I do not feel competent to judge whether any of the two books is "better", since I only know one of them. Anyway, I'm in the library right now. Kugelfunktionen is used in Landau/Lifschitz (Band 3, Quantenmechanik) and five of the six other quantum mechanics text books available here (the exception being the translation of Cohen-Tannoudji/Diu/Laloë). Math books (checked about a dozen) usually give both terms, redirecting Kugelflächenfunktionen to Kugelfunktionen. The latter term seems to be used in several contexts, e.g. Kugelflächenfunktionen vs. räumliche Kugelfunktionen. However, such fine distinctions are probably not relevant to our article in question, and so I have changed it back to Kugelfunktionen. Thanks for checking! Groetjes --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 19:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
== Clerk Maxwell ==
Daniel, Would you be willing to co-nominate for approval [[James Clerk Maxwell]]?  We're in a pickle over there.  I've nominated the article for approval, but we need a physicist to check-off on the physics section of the article.  --[[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 00:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:Will go through it before Feb 29. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 11:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
== disambiguation ==
Daniel, Just a heads up. I wanted to simplify the R template so i removed the ''disambiguation status'' functionality.  It now has its own template at {{tl|RD}}.  I made the required changes at [[CZ:List of words with multiple uses]] but you maybe using it somewhere else?  [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 17:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for continuing to work on that and to "drive" the proposal. I don't see problems with this split, and I haven't used the R template for disambiguations elsewhere. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 17:54, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
== example microbe ==
This page is just a temporary place holder for the template for my eduzendium class. I will delete it later.
Cheers JD --[[User:John J. Dennehy|John J. Dennehy]] 15:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:I understand that but thought it would be better to put as much redundant information (namely the EZ template) into this copy-and-paste source as possible. Besides, if the article is in the CZ namespace, it can serve as a template for future classes without hindering anything in main space. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 15:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::Daniel, how do you edit  <nowiki>{{CZ:Biol_201:_General_Microbiology/EZnotice}}</nowiki> ?[[User:John J. Dennehy|John J. Dennehy]] 14:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::via [[CZ:Biol_201:_General_Microbiology/EZnotice]]. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 14:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
== hyperlink from redirect info ==
Nothing springs to mind but let me think some more.  Is the reason for the redirect to have a more user friendly description, rather than the unambiguous DOI, so it is easier to identify the references in edit mode? [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 15:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, edit mode really requires something human-readable, and most DOIs do not meet this criterion. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 15:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I agree. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 15:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Good news, I added it to the [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template%3ACitation&diff=100462232&oldid=100144153 citation template] directly.  Let me know if you want more details. Unfortunately, with this solution, the edit link has to be at the end of the reference itself rather than the end of the comment. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 16:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
== level vs statusbar ==
Here is the [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Template%3ASubpage_style&diff=100462995&oldid=100462946 correct edit].  Let me know what you think.  Might need more tweaking. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 15:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:And yes, image map would be a good idea. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 15:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was aware of this way to do it but it did not include the
:::<nowiki>{{#ifeq: 0 | {{{{{1|}}}/Metadata|info=status}}|Approved Article|}}{{#ifeq: 1 | {{{{{1|}}}/Metadata|info=status}}|Developed Article|}}{{#ifeq: 2 | {{{{{1|}}}/Metadata|info=status}}|Developing Article|}}{{#ifeq: 3 | {{{{{1|}}}/Metadata|info=status}}|Stub|}}{{#ifeq: 4 | {{{{{1|}}}/Metadata|info=status}}|External Article|}</nowiki>
::part used to explain the images. I do not know how to resize images anisotropically but think it would be appropriate (if it exists) here. I might give imagemap a try . --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 16:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:::OK, Now I understand what you were up to, i didn't notice the mouseable text (not sure what the official name is). I seem to remember that not working for me before.  If you want to play around a bit you can try the [[test article]] with {{tl|Subpage style test}}.  That way it will not be a drain on the server. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 16:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
As to the code it should be the following.
<nowiki>{{#ifeq: 0 |{{{status}}}|Approved Article|}}{{#ifeq: 1 |{{{status|}}}|Developed Article|}}{{#ifeq: 2 | {{{status|}}}|Developing Article|}}{{#ifeq: 3 | {{{status|}}}|Stub|}}{{#ifeq: 4 | {{{status|}}}|External Article|}</nowiki>
All the parameters for the subpage style template are set by the previous template in the series.  For example, see {{tl|Parameters1}}.  [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 16:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:Done. Anisotropic image scaling may still have to be helpful, though, at least for non-zero status. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 17:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::What is the relation between an edit to a page (or heavily used template) and server load or lag? --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 18:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Just read [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue] and think it would be better to protect {{tl|subpages}} and the associated templates. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 18:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Is there not a cascading protection already? [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 19:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I just checked again and it is protected with cascading protection.  In theory you should only be able to edit {{tl|subpage style}} with sysop rights. Maybe you have them without knowing? [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 19:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I don't think I have them - can't delete pages, for instance, nor create accounts. May be I'm an editor in the "subpages" group ;-) --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 09:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
== articles for approval ==
Could you have a look at [[Vapor pressure]] and [[Specific heat ratio]] and see whether you'd be ready to nominate them for approval?  Milt recently posted them at [[CZ:Ready for approval]] and I believe he is the main CZ author, though some material is from Wikipedia.  Thhanks, [[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 15:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, I won't have time for that during the next weeks. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 15:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, no problem.  I also asked a couple of other people. --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 22:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
==Reply to your question==
Mr. Mietchen, here are some of the articles I have written.
*[http://ritualabuse.us/research/sexual-abuse/how-childhood-sexual-abuse-affects-interpersonal-relationships/ How Childhood Sexual Abuse Affects Interpersonal Relationships]
*[http://ritualabuse.us/research/did/the-etymological-antecedents-of-and-scientific-evidence-for-the-existence-of-dissociative-identity-disorder/ The Etymological Antecedents of and Scientific Evidence for the Existence of Dissociative Identity Disorder]
*[http://ritualabuse.us/research/did/the-diagnosis-and-assessment-of-dissociative-identity-disorder/ The Diagnosis and Assessment of Dissociative Identity Disorder]
*[http://ritualabuse.us/research/memory-fms/the-neurological-basis-for-the-theory-of-recovered-memory/ The Neurological Basis for the Theory of Recovered Memory]
*[http://ritualabuse.us/research/memory-fms/the-alleged-ethical-violations-of-elizabeth-loftus-in-the-case-of-jane-doe/ The Alleged Ethical Violations of Elizabeth Loftus in the Case of Jane Doe]  [[User:Neil Brick|Neil Brick]] 02:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
== About references for temperature dependence of specific heat ratio ==
Daniel, I am about 95% sure that these two references describe what I remember as correlations for predicting the effect of temperature on specific heat ratios:
*{{cite journal| author=Wayne C. Edmister|title=Specific Heat Ratios for Hydrocarbons |journal=Industrial Engineering Chemistry|volume=32|issue=3| pages=pp 373-375|date=March 1948|id=|url=http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ie50363a020|doi=10.1021/ie50363a020}}
*{{cite book|author=Richard W. Miller|title=Flow Measurement Engineering Handbook|edition=3rd Edition|publisher=McGraw-Hill|date=1996|pages=pp 2.110-2.115|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=lxd_Fcv7mHAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Flow+Measurement+Engineering+Handbook%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES|id=ISBN 0-07-042366-0}}
The first one is by Wayne Edmister and utilizes reduced temperatures and reduced pressures. The second one elaborates on Edmister's method and also includes a worked example. I think I will wait until [[Specific heat ratio]] is approved tomorrow and then add these into the Related Links subpage as you suggested. Regards, [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 00:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:I found Miller's a better fit and put it in directly, leaving Paul a note. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 09:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
== { { wikify } } ==
One thing i note with using that link in google scholar for a book is that it did not give the ISBN numbers.  When Peter added his ref manually he had the hardback and softback numbers there. Another pain is that the title hyperlink does not go directly to the book.  It should.  I'll have a look and see how it works in wikipedia.  I suspect they have made some modifications to the citation template. [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 15:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:I see you are already on top of this problem. I guess this works better for journals than books.  [[User:Chris Day|Chris Day]] 15:44, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
== Most Wanted - chemical elements  ==
Hi Daniel, I'm not sure if you saw {{tl|Basic elemental info‎}} or {{tl|Basic elemental def}}, but I suppose in trying to jumpstart the elements articles with them, I may have been undermining the "Most Wanted" list.  They have allowed me to start articles for many elements, but only the very basic info about each element is included.  The truth is I'm not sure how much more information we might even _want_ to include for some elements (perhaps a brief history?), but I suspect that Tin or Iodine for example, might deserve a little more.  I hope this helps...--[[User:David Yamakuchi|David Yamakuchi]] 14:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more on "Wanted" pages: "using it as a guideline on which article to start next would probably be a good idea", but also in terms of the basic templates being too simple and "an encyclopedic entry would certainly have to cover more than these basic facts." 
I'm not sure I agree however that: "years are much worse in this context."  The reason that the elements all jumped to the top of the "Wanted" list was pretty much solely due to the addition of a link to each and every element _from_ each and every template added.  I don't think the years were linked to in quite the same way.  It's like linking to every individual year in a century from each and every article for a year in that century.  It seemed like a good idea tho to have a Periodic Table with the element highlighted on each elements page...kind of part of the "corporate design" you mention.
In terms of the {{tl|Basic elemental info‎}} we can remove them and {{tl|speedydelete}} the articles if you like...that would get them back on the wanted list, but right now there is at least a minimum set of scientific data for each.  Also, by adding the properties of the elements thusly, we are now able to do some basic graphic processing on the elemental properties through the wiki, and so we have some additional options in terms of the wiki handling of the information like:  {{tl|PTofE}}, and {{tl|Periodic_Table_of_Properties}}.  I would be less inclined to want to speedy that stuff...--[[User:David Yamakuchi|David Yamakuchi]] 02:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
== Why Johnny Can't Read ==
Hi, Daniel -- I don't understand why you put the author of the book into the title of the article -- that's surely not common practice. I don't think there were two books by the same name so that they had to be differentiated.... At the very most, if there were, say, a popular movie, or even a band, by the same name, the usual thing to do would be to call the article "Why Johnny Can't Read (book)". Or so I believe.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 15:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
:Larry did that - I just corrected a typo. Feel free to move to "(book)". --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 17:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Bizarre, bizarre. Can't understand what he was thinking about. I'll correct it. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 17:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
==Year articles==
Hi Daniel, what's the consensus on year articles? Are we going to to do something similar to what wikipedia does and have articles on every year or does citizendium have something else in mind? I note someone has made a start on [[2007]] but don't know whether it was official. [[User:Meg Ireland|Meg Ireland]] 02:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think that there have been very contradictory pronouncements about this over the years. At one point I'm pretty sure that Larry was strongly in favor of them, but ONLY for significant events, and for things that all tied together. After that, the discussion sorta petered out. Not enough people here, not enough time. I myself am sorta against them, but not very strongly. I can see the justifications for them.  What I *hate* though, are all the WP links to [[July 3, 1942]] etc. etc. scattered throughout their articles. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 03:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I've found a relative dicussion on the forum at [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1850.15.html] It seems most people aren't opposed to the idea (including Larry), it's the way the dates are linked and what's notable for inclusion that some people have misgivings over. [[User:Meg Ireland|Meg Ireland]] 03:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes. There have been *other* Forum discussions as well -- I know that I have protested a couple of times about the ubiquity of the dates in the worst of the WP articles. Larry has always been more in favor of them than I have. But, as I said above, I have no great objection as long as they're used with intelligent discretion. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 03:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay, I've found some other forum articles [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,751.0.html][http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,590.0.html]. I think I'll leave it for now until we can get better consensus on the issue and a policy formulated. [[User:Meg Ireland|Meg Ireland]] 03:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check the Recent Changes for the article I've been working on and take it to heart: [[It Won't Get You Anywhere]], hehe.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 04:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::My primary concern with them is that they clutter [[Special:WantedPages]], which I think may be a very useful tool if optimized. Any ideas on that would be appreciated. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 22:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
== Approval process for Animal ==
Mr. Mietchen, I've finished up the draft for [[Animal]], and I was wondering if you could read it over and see if you could initiate the approval process for it. I'm pretty proud of it, and I'd love to see it garner approved status. Sincerely, [[User:Joshua Choi|Joshua Choi]] 23:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
== Orchid ==
I was glad to hear that you've been looking over the [[orchid]] article with approval in mind! --[[User:Joe Quick|Joe Quick]] 04:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
== Re: CZ:Schema_of_Magnetic_Resonance-related_articles ==
Can you take a look at this http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Instrumentation ? [[User:Sekhar Talluri|Sekhar Talluri]] 20:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
== Dr. Lantuit ==
I've just accepted him as an Author. He didn't want to join as an Editor also? [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 15:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps he was not aware of the difference. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 15:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::Probably. You might tell him. And, if he would like to be an editor, bug Larry and/or the other people about it. I've tried before, and for some reason the wiki won't let me, to change an application from "author" to "author and editor", but this time I didn't even try. It only delayed things in the past.... [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 16:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
== Roh ==
Thanks for your edit. I'll need to rearrange it a little. Is 'Roh' normally pronounced as it is spelt then? I also recently put in 'Daewoo', another example of baffling Korean-to-Roman. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 18:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC) (no relation)
:"노" is normally pronounced (and transcribed) "no" but in rare cases, especially names, transcribed as "Roh" (with or without diacritics, the "h" is not pronounced). There are several sources of potential confusion: "너" is also transcribed "no" (or "neo") and pronounced as the "no" in "not" (British pronunciation), while "로" could be transcribed as Ro (or Lo), and and "러" as Ro/ Reo (or Lo/Leo). I added a [[Hangul]] version of Dâeŵoo. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 18:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot to watch this page. Anyway, I think it's OK the way I've rewritten it now... [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 20:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
== About weekly changing of Article of the Week and New Draft of the Week ==
Daniel, this is a copy of what I just posted on the forums:
:<font color=blue>WOW! I really like what you have done, Daniel. It not only makes the weekly change simpler, it also lets people know more about the nominees before they vote.
:Would you follow up with Hayford about the few that need his fixing to make them work in your system?
:'''If you want to take over the weekly chore of changing the winners and displaying the new winners on the home page, please feel free to do so.''' Otherwise, I'll let you know next week if I run into any problems.
:Once more, great work!!
:Milt</font>
[[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. I do not want to commit to do it regularly but I thought I could help make it simpler. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 05:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Daniel, see my response [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Milton_Beychok here] to your request on my talk page. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 05:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Daniel, whenever you create a new template, '''''please''''' add it to the list at [[CZ:Templates]].<br />
I like what you have done, by the way, but as mentioned on the forums I would like to rename the templates to {{tl|AOTW Candidate}} and {{tl|AOTW Winner}} or even {{tl|AOTW}} - any objections?<br />
[[User:Caesar Schinas|Caesar Schinas]] 06:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:Discussion continued at [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2706.msg21413.html#msg21413 http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2706.msg21413.html#msg21413]. --[[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] 06:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
== I can see you are practicing on [[:Air preheater]] ==
Daniel, I can see that you are practicing and, in case you haven't already noticed, you have transcluded '''quite a bit too much''' for display on the CZ home page. It would create a large empty, white space in the adjacent left hand column of the home page. And now I'm off to bed. [[User:Milton Beychok|Milton Beychok]] 07:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


== AOTW References section ==
== AOTW References section ==

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AOTW References section

Hi Daniel. I see you added references sections to AOTW ant NDOTW - may I ask what the point is?
For one thing, references should be hidden in noinclude tags anyway, so they shouldn't show up there, and for another they don't mean much on that page; they're only really relevant on the article page itself.

Oh, and out of interest, where is {{ptcl}} going to be used, and what on earth does the name mean? :-p
Caesar Schinas 06:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Ad 1: Yes, hiding all references in noinclude tags may be the best solution (though doing this may be a pain in some articles) but I was not sure, and so I thought to give it a try with a reference section. I actually like it this way on the nominations page but do not know how to handle it for the Welcome page.
Ad 2: It stands for partial transclusion, and I have laid out a basic overview of possible usages at http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,2706.msg21413.html#msg21413. First tries on my user page and on CZ:Eduzendium (from where the references came in my formatting tests). Plan to play around with more of these possible usages and report step by step.
--Daniel Mietchen 10:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

{{ptcl}} in disambig pages

Wouldn't this make definition subpages obsolete?
I'm not sure that I do like it, actually, having seen your example - I think just definitions was better.
Caesar Schinas 15:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's keep one or two such examples for the moment and discuss the whole picture of possible uses together. I tend to think that this arrangement would provide an incentive to write lede sentences other than "A thing is ..." (examples in Music perception and Brain morphometry). --Daniel Mietchen 15:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I revised CZ:Article of the Week. Provided a place for anyone to simply make nominations. Then the program Administrators will do the transclusions.

I just revised the CZ:Article of the Week to provide a place (and instructions) for any CZ author or editor to simply add the names of new nominees.

I did NOT make any revisions to the transcluded versions of the articles that were added by you, Caesar Chinas or myself. All I did was provide a new section where anyone can simply add new nominees without having to transclude them.

I also reworded some section headers (and relocated one section) to make clear that Administrators of the "Article of the Week" initiative would do the transclusions.

I did that because I felt many authors and editors would be reluctant to make nominations if they had to do the transclusion themselves.

I asked Caesar Chinas to review my revision. After he does, I will also revise "CZ:New Draft of the Week" similarly. Regards, Milton Beychok 23:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks good so far, though now I will be hesitant to make the transclusions, as I'm not an admin (but perhaps that's a welcome side effect, right?). --Daniel Mietchen 08:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Anyone can be an AOTW and NDOTW administrator by simply adding their name to the volunteer list of administrators. Your help in making transclusions would be most welcome. Milton Beychok 15:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I know, that's why I wrote "hesitant", not "hindered". But I try to avoid subscribing to anything regular not in my top priorities (and these are all in real life). So call on me when you need help but otherwise, I'll stay away from it, OK? --Daniel Mietchen 18:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Article of the week

Hey Daniel, thanks for the note! That's great. I am sorry I have not been much active recently. I'm starting a new business and I am pretty busy these days. I'll be back in the future with more articles, meanwhile nevertheless I guess possibly there are some I wrote in he past to be proof read. (Are them all done yet?) take care. Dalton Holland Baptista 18:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see you around here again, Dalton! No, proofreading of your articles is far from finished, but it advances nonetheless. Cheers, --Daniel Mietchen 07:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)