User talk:Milton Beychok/Archive 9

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Just created Archive 8

That's why this page is empty at the moment. Milton Beychok 22:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


Milt, I made some small changes to pH. I believe that they are self-evident. --Paul Wormer 15:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Paul. Milton Beychok 18:35, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Changed Notes field so it is 5 rows long.

Milt. I have modified the Notes field on the upload page so it is 5 rows long. This change is now installed on the test wiki. Would you test it out and see how well it works for you? Just upload some random files to the test wiki and use the form. Dan Nessett 23:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I tried it out on the test wiki and it worked perfectly. In fact, the window has 6 lines of text in it. Thanks much, Milton Beychok 00:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Fluid dynamics

Milt, sorry for the delay, but for the last few days I only had time for very short visits to CZ. I created a stub well-posed problem and smooth (disambiguation) with a definition of a smooth curve: Smooth curve [r]: In analysis, a curve that has a continuously varying tangent, i.e. (intuitively) that has no corners. [e] Furthermore, though your explanation was correct, I tried to simplify it, and slightly rewrote the corresponding text. I hope you like it. --Peter Schmitt 00:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Peter, for your help. I am quite satisfied with your rewrite. Milton Beychok 00:54, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


Milt, I have expanded well-posed problem, and tried to explain the connection between mathematics and physics. It may profit if you check it from your point of view. --Peter Schmitt 00:39, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


Milton, catalyst (or catalysis) is high on the most wanted list. I have been reading a little about it, but somehow I don't get inspiration. Doubtlessly you know much about catalysis, don't you feel writing an article about it? --Paul Wormer 16:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Paul, as soon as I finish the article I'm working on now (which will be 3-4 days more), I will see if I can put together something about catalysis ... although my knowledge of that subject is not extensive. I'm still having a lot of physical therapy and that takes quite a bit of my time.Milton Beychok 05:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Catalysis, few topics more inspiring:
  • doubtless no "origin of life" on Earth without it;
  • autocatalysis, a la Tibor Ganti, Stuart Kaufmann;
  • ribozymes and the RNA world;
  • the concept of activation energy;
  • the sheer wonder of carbonic anhydrase catalytic activity;
  • models of enzyme kinetics; the legacy of J. B S. Haldane;
  • why Berzelius coined the word in 1836;
  • other milestones in the history of catalysis; Kirchof, Humphrey Davy;
  • catalysis in industry; it history;
  • the world of biocatalysis. Anthony.Sebastian 03:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Anthony, I finished writing Catalysis about 2 days ago ... and it covers many of the bases in your above list. However, it specifically states that it does not cover enzymatic or biochemical catalysis ... because those areas deserve a stand-alone article of their own. Thanks and regards, Milton Beychok 03:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Lenthened notes field now available on live wiki

Hi Milt,

I have made the necessary modifications so the lengthened notes field on the upload page is now available on the live wiki. See,3021.msg28342.html#msg28342. Dan Nessett 20:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

The definition subpage needs a capital D

Hi Milt, once you go that route, your problem is solved. I fixed it for Nuclear power plant. --Daniel Mietchen 22:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Some more details are here. The {{R}} template does the formatting for you, so it is advisable to start definitions from Related Articles pages rather than manually. --Daniel Mietchen 23:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi, Milt, I have it on my gmail calendar to remind me, plus I have it in mind. Also, isn't there another one a couple of days later? Hope that my notes *really* are thorough -- haven't done an approval since last October, I guess. Cheers! Hayford Peirce 17:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Coal is due on April 26th (this coming Monday). Thanks, Milton Beychok 17:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Yup, I had just put it on my calendar. If I can do the first one (in 30 minutes, maybe), I ought to be able to do the second one in 10 minutes or less. What a strange, weird, Rube Goldberg/Heath Robinson-like process it is! Hayford Peirce 17:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Coal article approved!

Congratulations, Milt, the article at [1] has been approved. The other coal article will be approved in two days. Hayford Peirce 18:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Excellent job on Conventional coal-fired power plant! Super article!--Thomas Wright Sulcer 13:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I picked up on Meg's coal-->diamond idea so check out here: CZ:Images to honor contributors. Again, congratulations on the excellent work!--Thomas Wright Sulcer 18:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Second coal article approved!

Congratulations, Milt, the article at [2] has been approved. Hayford Peirce 16:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

More congratulations!--Thomas Wright Sulcer 16:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Milt, I've upgraded your account to have EPA rights so that you can now access that confirm accounts page. You should be able to see a note on the top of the Recent Changes page as well that lets you know that one is waiting. Let me know if it isn't there. Thanks for taking this on. If you have any questions, do ask me. You know my email, too. D. Matt Innis 12:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Why delete?

Milt, I do not want to continue the ormus debate. But I am still curious: Why did you insist to delete the definition even after it had been rewritten? --Peter Schmitt 16:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Has it actually *been* deleted? By Matt? I dunno why he did that -- I thought that we were going to start a *new* article and that this was the definition for it. Well, if it *has* been deleted, I will find it and restore it enough so that one of us can save it somewhere to use when the new article has been started. I gotta say, I find this whole business very baffling! Hayford Peirce 17:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Peter, in my 2+ years here, it has always been my understanding that when someone requested the speedy delete of an article, the entire article was deleted. Paul requested the deletion of the Ormus article and then I found that the Definition subpage, the Related Articles subpage and (to the best of my memory) the Metadata template still existed ... so I requested that those three also be removed, and Matt did so.
Hayford, with all due respect and I don't want to mess up our friendship, is reverting a deletion made by the Chief Constable part of your duties? I don't think so. Please reconsider your statement that "I will find it and restore it enough so that ...." and at least discuss it with Matt first.
I don't think there has been any concensus agreement to write a new article on Ormus. I think that until CZ finally evolves a consensus policy about how to handle fringe articles, we should all let sleeping dogs lie and not make any unilateral reversions. I shall not respond to any more questions on this subject. Milton Beychok 17:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
You misunderstood what I said, Milt -- I meant that I would restore the definition in order to copy it and save it somewhere for future use. Which is what I have just done. The definition is now saved on the bottom of my own Userpage. But the definition itself remains deleted. This, by the way, is the last official act I will do as a Constable -- I am tendering my resignation effective immediately. Hayford Peirce 18:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi Milt,

if you are at an image's main page at Flickr (e.g. here), you can click on "All sizes" and then download the file in various sizes. I just did that with the original version and re-uploaded it into Image:Three Gorges Dam.jpg, although I think the author name Le Grand Portage does not meet our real name requirements, which seem to apply to images too. --Daniel Mietchen 00:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

His first name is Eric and I have emailed him to get his last name. When I do, I will revise the file. Milton Beychok 00:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Emergency management subgroup

I've started CZ: emergency management subgroup. Perhaps you might want to add some of the accidental release material to the group? Howard C. Berkowitz 21:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Howard, I added Accidental release source terms and Air pollutant concentrations to your new subgroup. Both of them are Approved articles. Good luck with the new subgroup. Milton Beychok 23:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Which article is the one that you want to keep?

Hi Milt, is Renewable energy development the article that you want to keep under that name?

Matt, I want to merge Renewable energy development's history into Renewable energy's history. I will be keeping Renewable energy under that name.
I take it then that the only way to do that merging is by having a Constable do it ... is that correct? We really need a discussion of how to merge articles in our CZ:How to. Thanks, Milton Beychok 21:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I think anyone can merge, but there is a process to go through that involves deleting articles, so if you don't have those rigths, then you won't be able to do it. I'll wait till I get home and do it if you don't mind so I can document it so that you can follow me. D. Matt Innis 21:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Milt, I completed the merge, but make sure that the right version is on the page. I thought I would be able to tell, but it all started to look the same! D. Matt Innis 02:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Matt. It looks as if you did it right. If I run into problems, I'll let you know. Milton Beychok 03:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

See my reply

.. on Hayford's page. Also, don't worry about opening cans of worms, it's how we all learn. I'll give you what I know and you give me what you know and others that know otherwise can chime in. When we're done, we have many more people that know more. So, if you see a can of worms, by all means open it now. D. Matt Innis 21:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Milt, I noticed that you had changed some of the links on your user page from to This is inadvisable, as using en.citizendium is the preferred method. You should only use reid. or locke. if you are have to, and then only for the shortest amount of time possible. This is because en. spreads traffic between the two servers, and also because during the upgrade process reid. will be unavaliable for some time.

Take a look at User:Chris Key/Sandbox/1. It is the link box from the top of your user page, but I have fixed all the links for you. If you are on en. they will point to en., if you are on reid. they will point to reid., and if you are on locke. they will point to locke. --Chris Key 10:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks much, Chris. I have replaced my link table with your version. Milton Beychok 17:12, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Gasoline article reApproved

Congratulations, Milt, I finally managed to get Version 2.0 reApproved, although it took most of the morning. You had better check it over carefully, however, to make sure that I really did get the correct version approved! Hayford Peirce 19:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

new members

Hi, Milt -- did you ever do anything about William Tanner? Probably not. Apparently his request for membership has vanished, along with everything else over the last 12 hours or so. I have sent him an email from the Constabulary telling him that he will have to reapply.

As you know, the servers were down for many hours. Now that we are operational again, I can't find any trace of Tanner's request ... other than that email you sent me. I guess we will have to wait. Milton Beychok 23:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

It appears to me that Jonathan Gray, who was responsible for a bunch of us spending a number of hours on his case has not even bothered to reapply for membership. Have *you* heard anything from him? Hayford Peirce 23:05, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought I had told you that Jonathan never re-applied again and that I had personally emailed him twice but got no response. Perhaps, that got lost when the servers went down. Milton Beychok 23:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:The International Bureau of Weights and Measures/Metadata

Deleted. D. Matt Innis 17:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

a new item I've put into the Constabulary page

Hi, Milton -- here's a new item I've put in to help us forgetful Kops and also to save us some time in writing boilerplate. Maybe it will be useful for *you* if you come across with an applicant who doesn't have a confirmed email address....


If there is no Confirmed after the email address of the applicant, put him on Hold and send something like the following message to him:

Hi, So-and-So -- we need a confirmed email address from you. Are you *sure* that you have looked in your email program's spam folder, or trash folder, for our automated reply? You need to find our reply and then click on the confirm line. Thanks! Hayford Peirce, Constable

Change So-and-So to the applicant's name! Hayford Peirce 16:26, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Share button

In the absense of strong opposition since testing began on the test wiki I propose that we install the share button onto the live wiki. As one of the people who originally objected I'd like to draw your attention to this post on the forums which asks for any final feedback before I get this implemented. --Chris Key 19:11, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Citing My Sources So There Are No Claims of Poor Research

Citing my sources as I write so there are no claims of poor research. Removed my previous talk page comments.

Mary Ash 23:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)Mary Ash


I'm not sure what I did but I apologize. Finally, you have worn me out in one day. I thought Wikipedia was tough but you guys have them beat. The article is all yours.

I have tried to start working on the skeptical viewpoint but I give up. I'm tired and I have a headache.

And I'm outta here! Mary Ash 23:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)Mary Ash

Please, Mary, just try again. But first take the time to read and study all of the CZ help articles and "how to" articles, some of which were spelled out by Hayford Pierce on your Talk page when he created your account. It also helps to study the main articles and Talk pages of some existing articles. In other words, take 3 or 4 days just to read and study our CZ system before you try again. Milton Beychok 00:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Just posted this to the UFO Discussion Page


I thought CZ and other wikis were about collaboration. A part of collaboration is allowing an author to complete an article without interference. Also, a part of collaboration is working together. Today, I neatly incorporated the statements of others and was in the process of writing a clean, concise, documented article. As I wrote I more than welcome editing once the article was completed and I do. But part of the writing process is to allow authors, such as me, write. Perhaps I misunderstood and editors are the only ones allowed to write at CZ. Please clarify.

As to banning me for what? I tried to write an article and was not allowed to finish it yesterday because too many "helpers" tried to help? I appreciate help but please allow me to finish what I was trying to write. That is called courtesy and collaboration the last time checked.

Also, the statement was placed so I could write in peace. It's sad that I had to do that but I suspect it says a lot about CZ culture.

As to indenting I've done so after being notified and you will notice this message is indented.

Please direct me to the next person in charge of this process so I may file a formal complaint.


Mary Ash 22:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)Mary Ash

And a side note: I was making it perfectly clear in the UFO article that Ufology makes a since attempt to use science to investigate UFOs. The detailed listing of the UFO gear was an attempt to prove to skeptics (perhaps you?) that indeed UFO investigators do try to investigate. Hmmm...I do believe incorporating what they use in their investigations is appropriate as it tells the reader what is done. I don't find that "laughable" as you stated in the discussion comments.

Please refer me to the appropriate person to file a complaint concerning this matter as it's being inappropriately handled.

Mary Ash 22:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)Mary Ash

Secure confident people encourage not discourage

Secure, confident people, people who believe in their personal self worth, encourage and build me people up. They also try to make all people look good rather than trying to tear them down. Your somewhat disparaging and continuous personal remarks about my contributions often make me wonder about your self confidence in your personal capabilities. I have tried to be friendly and I have tried to be helpful. I don't know why as I have little invested in Citizendium. I guess I've always rooted for the under dog which Citizendium most certainly is at the moment. I have enclosed some links that may help you learn how to empower and encourage Citzendium contributors including me. Perhaps they'll help boost your self confidence and encourage some interpersonal development.

I have included a Christian link, which I hope won't offend you, as I have spent close to 50 years walking with our Lord. Mary Ash 19:38, 7 August 2010 (UTC)