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All the items that were on this page were of merely passing interest and have been removed.  --[[User:Martin Wyatt|Martin Wyatt]] ([[User talk:Martin Wyatt|talk]]) 20:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


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New book I came across: [http://www.cambridge.org/gb/academic/subjects/history/british-history-after-1450/female-friends-and-making-transatlantic-quakerism-16501750?format=HB#ADZLRIWwCa2bk6Bf.97]. [[User:Peter Jackson|Peter Jackson]] ([[User talk:Peter Jackson|talk]]) 12:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
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:Thank you.  £75 books are well outside my normal budget, but I may be able to find a way of getting hold of it.  --[[User:Martin Wyatt|Martin Wyatt]] ([[User talk:Martin Wyatt|talk]]) 15:54, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
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==[[Pompeii]]==
== Shutting down CZ? Please look at the following discussion and give us your input ==
Thanks for correcting the Pompeii article. I'm hoping to add a few more paragraphs, would you be interested in proofreading it once I'm done? [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 20:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


:That's much appreciated. I sometimes find I read what I meant to write rather than what's actually there. I'll let you know when it's in a fit state (more or less). [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 17:58, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Forum_Talk:Technical_Issues#Any_further_thoughts.3F thanks! Hayford, Treasurer Hayford Peirce (talk) 16:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi Martin, the Pompeii article's expanded a bit and is now up for approval. I've gone through myself to iron out any glaring mistakes, and I'd really appreciate another pair of eyes if you've got time. Thanks, [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 22:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
== Planning/advisory panel ==
Hi there, We're putting together a non-public Google group where some of us can brainstorm about how this wiki might develop in the future. I was hoping you'd be willing to join the group and advise.  If you are, please email me at pgpalmer A T gmail so that I can add or invite you to the group (CZ-Advisory Panel).[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 01:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


== December 2012 elections ==
:Thanks, but we are moving house shortly, which severely limits my availability.  --[[User:Martin Wyatt|Martin Wyatt]] ([[User talk:Martin Wyatt|talk]]) 21:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


Would you be interested in being an author member of the Editorial Council? You can say no, of course, but so far we've only two nominees for the council, and they're both editors.-[[User:Derek Hodges|Derek Hodges]] 07:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
::Good luck moving![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 22:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


==[[CZ:Featured article]]==
== Write-a-Thon this weekend ==
Hi Martin, I noticed your message at CZ:Featured article. What Johan Forberg was referring to was that if you update what appears on the welcome page, the main article won't be updated unless you make an edit there too. I've looked over what happened with the Robert Burns article and the summary that appeared on the welcome page never got updated, so it appeared as Chubnum first put it up there [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=CZ:Featured_article/Current&diff=next&oldid=100812585]. What you did was [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Robert_Burns&action=historysubmit&diff=100812629&oldid=100812573 update] the article itself, so the article still appears as you intended.


The important point is that if you want the article to reflect what appears on the welcome page, you need to copy and paste the edits. I think you're right that this needs to be more prominent, the question is where to put the notice? [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 20:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
This Sunday, we're [[CZ:Monthly Write-a-Thon|getting together on the wiki]] for the first time in a decade to create and edit articles loosely themed on [[planet]]s, [[star]]s, [[galaxy|galaxies]] and [[cosmology|cosmic entities]] - or anything that involves words like those! For more information, see ''[[CZ:Monthly Write-a-Thon#What's a Write-a-Thon?|What's a Write-a-thon?]]'' etc. Hope to see you there! [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 16:35, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


== Acknowledgement from the Managing Editor ==
:Martin, you are the very first to kick off the [[CZ:Monthly_Write-a-Thon|Write-a-Thon]]; please register yourself under "Keen as Mustard and Jumped the Gun"!? [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 17:03, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
::Just coming up to 2 a.m. on 10 Jan in Sydney when I started (I checked).  --[[User:Martin Wyatt|Martin Wyatt]] ([[User talk:Martin Wyatt|talk]]) 19:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


Martin, on behalf of Citizendium, I want to thank you for your continuing support of the project, through the many new articles you started and the regular monetary donations you have made.
:::Our Write-a-Thon theme this weekend is '[[CZ:Monthly Write-a-Thon|Messaging and Missives]]'. Please join us! [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 22:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


I hope you joined the Citizendium-L mailing list (see link in the welcome note at the top of this page). Also hope you will contribute to the discussions in the Forum. [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] 22:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
::::As for Sunday 24th, I was going to do something on maypoles, but discovered I did not have enough materials, so could only do a couple of minor alterations to [[The Ring and the Book]]. --[[User:Martin Wyatt|Martin Wyatt]] ([[User talk:Martin Wyatt|talk]]) 19:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


== Nomination for the Editorial Council ==
:::::Thank you, Martin!  I recorded your effort on the party page.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 01:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


You have been nominated for an Author seat on the [[CZ:Editorial Council|Editorial Council]] in the [[CZ:Election July-August 2013|July-August Special Election]]. The nominator was myself. To accept or decline this nomination, please visit the [[CZ:Election July-August 2013/Nominations#Editorial Council Author candidates and links to their Statements|Nominations]] page by midnight UTC on July 27th. You may write an election statement for each if you wish (linked from the Nominations page).
== Experimenting with the new policy suggestions ==
Martin, I'm with you on making some of the sub-quality or out-of-date Citable articles into normal articles again, or zapping really bad stubs etc.  However, technically, there should be an election before making that official policy. But I've already experimentally revoked a few of the Citable articles in Computers that were terribly out of date and frankly embarrassing. I'm also forging ahead with allowing "lead authors" on articles, and possibly, multiple articles about a given topic (as long as they attempt to maintain an encyclopedic tone and objectivity), something I felt would help reduce conflict going forwards. So basically, I'm considering the policy ''suggestions'' as experimental policy for now.  If we get more active authors in the future, we can debate it all more.  In the meantime, if you see specific articles that you feel should be deleted, please contact either me and/or John S. and we'll look into it.  Experimentally.  


The Editorial Council seat expires on December 31st, 2013. In the event that [[CZ:Election July-August 2013/Referenda/1|Referendum 1]] is passed, all seats will expire on June 30th, 2014. Thanks! [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 17:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
There once was a time when people would fight to the death before deleting anything.  I now see the whole purpose of the wiki differently; no longer as competing directing with Wikipedia, but acting as a useful supplement to do the kinds of articles that the anonymous crowd-sourcing in Wikipedia tends to impede.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 18:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
:The citable versions that stick in my mind are [[History of agriculture]], [[North-west Passage]], and [[Scarborough Castle]] .  The "History of agriculture" is actually a history of European and American agriculture, which contains some obvious omissions.  I corrected some omissions in the last two amendments made to the non-citable article.  The North-west Passage has a statement about the end of Elizabethan exploration which is frankly wrong.  It, and another fault, are corrected in the last two amendments I made to the non-citable article.  In Scarborough Castle, which is otherwise a very good article, Richard has made the common mistake of referring to Pariamentary forces as "loyal to Oliver Cromwell" in 1642, when at that time Oliver had a largely local reputation (and was nowhere near the scene of action). I appear not to have corrected this, when I should have. I think there were others, but all observations were put into storage somewhere, because the exercise of reviewing the citable articles did not proceed.[[User:Martin Wyatt|Martin Wyatt]] ([[User talk:Martin Wyatt|talk]]) 20:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


:Thank you for accepting my nomination. I realise that you did so reluctantly, but I can say having previously occupied the seat that it doesn't have to take up much of your time. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] 12:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
::Martin, Thanks for your comments. John has removed the Citable versions of [[History of agriculture]] and [[North-west Passage]], but not yet for [[Scarborough Castle]].  [[User:John_Stephenson]] said that he wrote some of that and he wonders if there is a misunderstanding (did not say that Cromwell was anywhere near the castle, for example; there is a hill called Oliver's Mount, but he was never there).  I have not had time to review that article myself and know less that nothing about the topic.  So for that one, feel free to go to the article Talk page and make suggestions for John to look at.  And, do call any other Citable articles to our attention that have errors and need to be undone, or other things that are within out power to make better. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 21:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)


==CZC Prop==
== Good job! ==
[[CZ:Citizendium_Council_proposed_motions#Martin_Wyatt|Good point]].  The charter does not grant the power to "invest"[[User:Russell D. Jones|Russell D. Jones]] 01:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC) - from the peanut gallery....
Hey Martin, Looks like your article [[Poverty]] has made it to the wiki front page this week.  I've also placed [[Dark Peak]] on the list of articles [[CZ:Ready for reading]], as I think it's developing nicely. Good job!   [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 14:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 
== Dartmoor ==
 
Sorry for the delay in replying, I rather got sidetracked. As it stands it's good. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-21442474 This piece] from the BBC might add a bit of context, such as the number of cists on Dartmoor and the fact that while the organic material rare for the Bronze Age full stop it was the first such find on Dartmoor. [[User:Richard Nevell|Richard Nevell]] 16:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 
== History of agriculture Talk page ==
 
Thanks for your info. There was an error in the redirection. I had to replace your comment with a redirect, but a copy is below - it could go on the main Talk page for the article. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 20:09, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 
:This article as it stands is incomplete in ways that create radical imbalance.  The discussion of agriculture in Europe jumps from prehistory to the Middle Ages.  After the Origins section, the bulk of Asia is totally ignored, as is sub-Saharan Africa.  There is no mention of the 17th century developments in technique which made it possible (a) to over-winter cattle, so leading to a great increase in meat production, and (b) to feed very large numbers of people not engaged in agriculture themselves, without which the industrial revolution could not have happened.
 
== Wanted articles ==
 
Hi - I think you mean [[CZ:Wanted articles]]. [[User:John Stephenson|John Stephenson]] ([[User talk:John Stephenson|talk]]) 14:12, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 
== Norse Mythology ==
 
I noticed you started the article [[Norse Mythology]], and I'm excited about it. Will look forwards to reading it.  So glad you are still writing in CZ![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 14:39, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Revision as of 09:07, 8 March 2021

All the items that were on this page were of merely passing interest and have been removed. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 20:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

New book I came across: [1]. Peter Jackson (talk) 12:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. £75 books are well outside my normal budget, but I may be able to find a way of getting hold of it. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 15:54, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Shutting down CZ? Please look at the following discussion and give us your input

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Forum_Talk:Technical_Issues#Any_further_thoughts.3F thanks! Hayford, Treasurer Hayford Peirce (talk) 16:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Planning/advisory panel

Hi there, We're putting together a non-public Google group where some of us can brainstorm about how this wiki might develop in the future. I was hoping you'd be willing to join the group and advise. If you are, please email me at pgpalmer A T gmail so that I can add or invite you to the group (CZ-Advisory Panel).Pat Palmer (talk) 01:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, but we are moving house shortly, which severely limits my availability. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 21:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Good luck moving!Pat Palmer (talk) 22:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Write-a-Thon this weekend

This Sunday, we're getting together on the wiki for the first time in a decade to create and edit articles loosely themed on planets, stars, galaxies and cosmic entities - or anything that involves words like those! For more information, see What's a Write-a-thon? etc. Hope to see you there! John Stephenson (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Martin, you are the very first to kick off the Write-a-Thon; please register yourself under "Keen as Mustard and Jumped the Gun"!? Pat Palmer (talk) 17:03, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Just coming up to 2 a.m. on 10 Jan in Sydney when I started (I checked). --Martin Wyatt (talk) 19:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Our Write-a-Thon theme this weekend is 'Messaging and Missives'. Please join us! John Stephenson (talk) 22:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
As for Sunday 24th, I was going to do something on maypoles, but discovered I did not have enough materials, so could only do a couple of minor alterations to The Ring and the Book. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 19:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, Martin! I recorded your effort on the party page.Pat Palmer (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Experimenting with the new policy suggestions

Martin, I'm with you on making some of the sub-quality or out-of-date Citable articles into normal articles again, or zapping really bad stubs etc. However, technically, there should be an election before making that official policy. But I've already experimentally revoked a few of the Citable articles in Computers that were terribly out of date and frankly embarrassing. I'm also forging ahead with allowing "lead authors" on articles, and possibly, multiple articles about a given topic (as long as they attempt to maintain an encyclopedic tone and objectivity), something I felt would help reduce conflict going forwards. So basically, I'm considering the policy suggestions as experimental policy for now. If we get more active authors in the future, we can debate it all more. In the meantime, if you see specific articles that you feel should be deleted, please contact either me and/or John S. and we'll look into it. Experimentally.

There once was a time when people would fight to the death before deleting anything. I now see the whole purpose of the wiki differently; no longer as competing directing with Wikipedia, but acting as a useful supplement to do the kinds of articles that the anonymous crowd-sourcing in Wikipedia tends to impede.Pat Palmer (talk) 18:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

The citable versions that stick in my mind are History of agriculture, North-west Passage, and Scarborough Castle . The "History of agriculture" is actually a history of European and American agriculture, which contains some obvious omissions. I corrected some omissions in the last two amendments made to the non-citable article. The North-west Passage has a statement about the end of Elizabethan exploration which is frankly wrong. It, and another fault, are corrected in the last two amendments I made to the non-citable article. In Scarborough Castle, which is otherwise a very good article, Richard has made the common mistake of referring to Pariamentary forces as "loyal to Oliver Cromwell" in 1642, when at that time Oliver had a largely local reputation (and was nowhere near the scene of action). I appear not to have corrected this, when I should have. I think there were others, but all observations were put into storage somewhere, because the exercise of reviewing the citable articles did not proceed.Martin Wyatt (talk) 20:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Martin, Thanks for your comments. John has removed the Citable versions of History of agriculture and North-west Passage, but not yet for Scarborough Castle. User:John_Stephenson said that he wrote some of that and he wonders if there is a misunderstanding (did not say that Cromwell was anywhere near the castle, for example; there is a hill called Oliver's Mount, but he was never there). I have not had time to review that article myself and know less that nothing about the topic. So for that one, feel free to go to the article Talk page and make suggestions for John to look at. And, do call any other Citable articles to our attention that have errors and need to be undone, or other things that are within out power to make better. Pat Palmer (talk) 21:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Good job!

Hey Martin, Looks like your article Poverty has made it to the wiki front page this week. I've also placed Dark Peak on the list of articles CZ:Ready for reading, as I think it's developing nicely. Good job! Pat Palmer (talk) 14:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)