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Let's use this page to brainstorm and start to implement ideas for simplifying the CZ: namespace offerings.  [[CZ:Home]] has many links to CZ pages.  You can find a complete list [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=100 here] and various organized lists via the "Other" links on the "Community Pages Templates," such as the yellow-colored template you see at the top of this page: [[:Category:Organization]] (or at the bottom of the present page!).
Let's use this page to brainstorm and start to implement ideas for simplifying the CZ: namespace offerings.  [[CZ:Home]] has many links to CZ pages.  You can find a complete list [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=100 here] and various organized lists via the "Other" links on the "Community Pages Templates," such as the yellow-colored template you see at the top of this page: [[:Category:Organization]] (or at the bottom of the present page!).


==General problems to solve==
Here are tasks we need to do and problems we need to solve:
Here are tasks we need to do and problems we need to solve:
* Make brief versions of very long pages, like [[CZ:Neutrality Policy]]; see [[CZ:Article Mechanics]] for an example of how this can be done.
* Make brief versions of very long pages, like [[CZ:Neutrality Policy]]; see [[CZ:Article Mechanics]] for an example of how this can be done.
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* Here's a prior question that we need to think about.  It is useful and important that we have guidelines ''when they are needed.''  But having too many guidelines evidently makes people think, wrongly, that they have to be familiar with all of those "rules" in order to get to work.  '''''How''''' do we make the CZ: page structure (and content?) simpler and more user-friendly?  Yes, '''''we know''''' it needs to be simpler and more user-friendly.  But what are some general principles we should follow in simplifying?
* Here's a prior question that we need to think about.  It is useful and important that we have guidelines ''when they are needed.''  But having too many guidelines evidently makes people think, wrongly, that they have to be familiar with all of those "rules" in order to get to work.  '''''How''''' do we make the CZ: page structure (and content?) simpler and more user-friendly?  Yes, '''''we know''''' it needs to be simpler and more user-friendly.  But what are some general principles we should follow in simplifying?


==Specific page tasks to do==
Here are some specific tasks for specific CZ: namespace pages.  Do what it says, cross out, and sign your name:
Here are some specific tasks for specific CZ: namespace pages.  Do what it says, cross out, and sign your name:
* [[CZ:Community Overview]] - needs to be expanded with info about governance bodies and initiatives, etc.--basically, this is about the roles played by individuals and by groups.  Should also mention [[CZ:Group Status]] and [[CZ:Proposals]].
* [[CZ:Community Overview]] - needs to be expanded with info about governance bodies and initiatives, etc.--basically, this is about the roles played by individuals and by groups.  Should also mention [[CZ:Group Status]] and [[CZ:Proposals]].
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* [[CZ:Personnel]] - simplify, neaten (e.g., add Exec Comm members to Exec Comm page)
* [[CZ:Personnel]] - simplify, neaten (e.g., add Exec Comm members to Exec Comm page)
* [[CZ:How To]] - finish, but also consider how it interrelates with many other pages...should this be part of the [[CZ:FAQ]], and if not, why not?
* [[CZ:How To]] - finish, but also consider how it interrelates with many other pages...should this be part of the [[CZ:FAQ]], and if not, why not?
==Endless sidebar fiddling==
:: Please put ...with subpages back in.  It is soooo much nicer to start an article with subpages with one click instead of going to another page and then finding which of the two links on the subpages section to click.  Removing this option from the left sidebar will only make more people start without the subpages. [[User:David E. Volk|David E. Volk]] 11:16, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
Well, I hacked and slashed at a bunch of things that were not ''as'' important as other things.  Omitting that link, and a bunch of others that were in the previous version, is the price we pay for simplicity.  I figure it's just one more click from "Start article"...and how often do people really start new articles anyway? --[[User:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]] 11:21, 20 March 2008 (CDT)


{{Organization}}
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Revision as of 11:21, 20 March 2008

This is a workpage. Feel free to expand, mark it up, add discussion, and generally get your hands dirty, just like you would an old-fashioned WikiWikiWeb page.

Let's use this page to brainstorm and start to implement ideas for simplifying the CZ: namespace offerings. CZ:Home has many links to CZ pages. You can find a complete list here and various organized lists via the "Other" links on the "Community Pages Templates," such as the yellow-colored template you see at the top of this page: Category:Organization (or at the bottom of the present page!).

General problems to solve

Here are tasks we need to do and problems we need to solve:

  • Make brief versions of very long pages, like CZ:Neutrality Policy; see CZ:Article Mechanics for an example of how this can be done.
  • But certain other pages, like CZ:Editor Policy, might need to be broken into more than one page.
  • Make a kick-ass "getting started" page, a single page that we can always send people to, with the recommendation, "If you just read this short page, you'll basically know everything you need to know to get started." It is important that we not jump willy-nilly into writing that page. We need to think carefully not just about what it should include, but also what it should exclude. Cf. CZ:Getting Started; the new page should go right at the top of that page, and should also of course be linked from Main Page and the sidebar.
  • Consider the ideas on CZ talk:How To. Would it really improve things to organize our CZ: namespace pages into a subpage hierarchy? Maybe, maybe not. Content hierarchies like this can wonderfully clarify things, but they also tend to ossify, and unless they're beautifully designed and carefully maintained, they usually end up being a mess. Notice that CZ: namespace pages are already arranged into groups, as you can see on CZ:Home.
  • Here's a prior question that we need to think about. It is useful and important that we have guidelines when they are needed. But having too many guidelines evidently makes people think, wrongly, that they have to be familiar with all of those "rules" in order to get to work. How do we make the CZ: page structure (and content?) simpler and more user-friendly? Yes, we know it needs to be simpler and more user-friendly. But what are some general principles we should follow in simplifying?

Specific page tasks to do

Here are some specific tasks for specific CZ: namespace pages. Do what it says, cross out, and sign your name:

Endless sidebar fiddling

Please put ...with subpages back in. It is soooo much nicer to start an article with subpages with one click instead of going to another page and then finding which of the two links on the subpages section to click. Removing this option from the left sidebar will only make more people start without the subpages. David E. Volk 11:16, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

Well, I hacked and slashed at a bunch of things that were not as important as other things. Omitting that link, and a bunch of others that were in the previous version, is the price we pay for simplicity. I figure it's just one more click from "Start article"...and how often do people really start new articles anyway? --Larry Sanger 11:21, 20 March 2008 (CDT)


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