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 Definition WWII British special operations units, operating clandestinely under cover of the Home Guard (WWII British), in a stay-behind guerrilla role. [d] [e]
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Effectiveness of small units

Depending on training, motivation and equipment, I wouldn't dismiss 6-man patrols. Special Air Service often operates in 8-man teams. United States Army Special Forces use 6-man "split-A" and 12-man "A teams". In WWII Operation Jedburgh, the guerilla leaders were 3-man teams.

An axiom of guerilla warfare is that if you get into a fair fight, your planning was flawed. --Howard C. Berkowitz 21:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

True but they also can pull back to base areas for resuply (and rest). The Aux units were on thier own. Also remeber that many modern SF's also can call on airsupport, something that again the Aux units would lack. These are much more like partisans then modern style Sf's. Its also worth noting (I can't find my copy at the moment) that peter Fleminig did not think they would have much impact.Steven Slater 01:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Not necessarily -- urban guerillas are effective and have their hide areas, and there were woodland areas and caves that might not be known to the Germans. WWII SF, such as the Soviet and Yugoslav Partisans as well as the French, Norwegian and Danish Resistance, had no close air support. There was some air resupply, and a few isolated strategic strike operations such as the raids on the Amiens Prison in France and Shell House (Gestapo Headquarters) in Copenhagen. These raids were on facilities holding resistants; some did escape in the bombing, but others were killed in preference to having them interrogated, and, in the case of Copenhagen, records destroyed. --Howard C. Berkowitz 14:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Peter Fleming was of the opinion that the Aux units had up to 8 weeks before winter made the woodland hideouts visible from the air. He also felt that there would be a lack of strategic mobility (the island is too small), also there are very few true wilderness areas in the UK. Also the partisans in the occupied countries were in reality not all that effective (and received a large amount of help from SOE and OSS). Those in Yugoslavia and the USSR were large in number and has access to vast areas of wilderness that offered safe havens.Steven Slater 14:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Status

Is this a direct quote?

"However it must be said that these units had no official existence, and were just a cover. Meaning of course that under international law they were not solders and subject to summery execution. "

I ask, because some clarification is warranted. Britain, quite early in the war, did provide minimal legal cover to behind-the-lines people in Europe, such as the First Aid Nursing Yeomanry for female SOE personnel.

The Germans, however, paid little attention to international law. For what it's worth, in 1940, it would be one of the Hague Conventions on spies. Nevertheless, German policy was more dictated by the Commando Order and similar directives. --Howard C. Berkowitz 14:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)