User talk:Stephen Ewen

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NOTE: If you ask me a question on a point of policy and so forth and someone else replies, you can assume the reply is accurate unless I add a comment after a day or so. Stephen Ewen 21:07, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

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Stephen Ewen

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Please delete a couple of food categories

Hi, Stephen. I have set up new categories for Italian, Thai, Belgium, etc. foods and have added all of the items that are now in "Exotic foods" and "Popular foods". So you can delete those two categories. I have additionally created, as per *your* suggestion, I believe, a Catalog of global cuisine, to which I have added a couple of items. I assume that these are what you mean by global. What about Bread, Rice, Beans, etc. Everything can be debated one way or another, I suppose.... Hayford Peirce 14:10, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

help!

Hello sir! :) I'm having some problems fixing my images i.e. attributing and all. How do I edit the images I've uploaded? It says I need an external editor or something? I'm stuck.--Yim Kai-mun 23:31, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

All you have to do is go to the image upload page, the page where the image you uploaded is, and click edit. What happens when you do that? Try it at Image:Meister_der_Reise_des_Kaisers_Ming-huang_nach_Shu_002.jpg.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 00:38, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

subpage upgrade for biology

Stephen, now that the biology article is being cited as an example of subpage templates in action we really need to upgrade both Biology/Gallery and Biology to the latest template {{subpages4}}. If you could replace {{subpages|group=biology|approved=yes}} with the simpler {{subpages4}} and place {{subpages4}} on the approved article that would be great. I can't access those pages since they are protected. thanks. Chris Day (talk) 03:34, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Done. :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 03:41, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks, that was quick. You reverted on the Gallery? You could use {{Subpages9}} if you were after the horizontal one? Other wise just subpages4 should work, no need for all the parameters now we have the info temnplates active. Chris Day (talk) 03:46, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

I placed 9.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 03:50, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Image copyright holder asking for 'permission' link to be removed

I uploaded this image recently having got permission from the UK Treasury. Now they say that they don't mind us using the image, but want the emails in the permission page removed. I will do this, but does it mean that without a permission page we can't use the image? John Stephenson 03:42, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

See the email I sent.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 03:47, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, an ad hoc solution for now: this which removed the history from view and the link to securely off-wiki. That works! :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 04:12, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Images for Global warming

Thanks Stephen.

Actually, the help request about images to be used in Global warming is quite old - now I set different priorities and I find very difficult to contribute to that article. HOWEVER, there is now a new Earth Sciences editor who is a real climatologist, and did a terrific work on the article: Raymond Arritt. I am to post your offer in his talk page, I guess he'll be happy.

Well, since I'm here in your talk page, I also have a request of help. I'd like to archive some of the discussion in Talk:Global warming. How do I do this? (Never mind, Larry did it after putting the page under dispute watch... Nereo Preto)

Ciao! --Nereo Preto 01:52, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

Catalog of Italian cuisine

Hi, Stephen. I think we need you to do two things:

• Delete the present Catalog of Italian cuisine
• And move the present User talk:Luigi Zanasi/Catalog of Italian cuisine to a new "Catalog of Italian cuisine". Thanks! Hayford Peirce 18:51, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

Done!  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 21:50, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

Great! Now if you would kindly vanish Catalog of exotic foods and Catalog of popular foods, as all of these items have been moved into other Catalogs. And would you please take a look at my last comments in Talk:Catalog of Chinese cuisine and input your own thoughts. This is a very important point that we are at with all of this cuisine Catalog business and we should make sure that we get it right. Thanks! Hayford Peirce 22:26, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

Done. Not sure which comments you mean at Talk:Catalog of Chinese cuisine, though.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 20:23, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks! I meant the on-going discussion about what we should be putting into each national Catalog: basically, only authentic foods from that country/culture, or food that is widely popular in that country/culture, no matter its origin, or both, or some combination? At Larry's suggestion, however, I have moved the entire discussion to CZ Talk:Food Science Workgroup. Your thoughts would be welcomed, since you have certainly contributed to this on-going cuisine cataloging business! Hayford Peirce 11:45, 6 August 2007 (CDT)

Photo without source details

I left a note on Paul Austin's Talk page about an image which may not be cleared for use on CZ; he hasn't provided sourcing details as yet. Can you check this when you get a moment, make sure I've got this right? John Stephenson 21:04, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

Flawless, John. :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 21:08, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

Image

Stephen, sorry about the confusion, I believe I've fixed the images to conform to standards. I have emailed the US Mint for clarification on the coin copyright, and in the meantime I have put a fair use tag on it crediting the designers and engraver listed on the linked page. I had originally chosen PD after referencing it against what is on Wikimedia Commons. Let me know if there is anything else I need to do.

Also, I realized that I mistakenly named the file "william_canon.jpg" when it should be "walter_canon". I don't know if that is a big deal, but should probably be fixed. --Todd Coles 10:38, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

Mississippi

Not sure what to do with this one. It is essentially just a bibliography (by Richard Jensen) so I copied it to the bibliography subpage. But now do we delete the main article (stub over a month old)? If we do then noone will ever see the bibliography either. Maybe we just need to ask Dr. Jensen to start a short article? --Joe Quick (Talk) 20:15, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

See the page again. :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 20:20, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

Now why didn't I think of that? Sometimes my thoughts are too complicated for my own good. ;^) --Joe Quick (Talk) 15:09, 6 August 2007 (CDT)

french fry gallery

Hi Stephen, I have uploaded a picture of french-fry pizza I took in Italy last year at Image:Italy 2006 Abano French fry pizza1.jpg. You might want (or not) put it in the French-fry gallery. Pretty gross, eh. Luigi Zanasi 20:38, 6 August 2007 (CDT)

Fabulous! Do you have it in a larger resolution?  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 21:28, 6 August 2007 (CDT)

I do, the cropped original was at 482k. But when I tried to upload it, it said that the maximum recommended size was 150k, so I "downgraded" it (or whatever you call making it smaller). Should I just upload the bigger file? Luigi Zanasi 22:35, 6 August 2007 (CDT)

Yes, please, the bigger and highest resolution the better. I'll probably crop the photo closely. Alternately, you could email it to me and I'll upload it, see my userpage for my address. :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 00:42, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

I will email you the original uncropped image and you can do your magic with it and upload it. Remember, CC-BY-SA-NC licence! I already have your email address from when you rapped my knuckles on my user name. :-) Luigi Zanasi 02:06, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

Okay, cool! Can't see it now, though--for some reason the image is not showing at the upload page or in articles so I wrote bugs about it.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 03:34, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

Double voting

I suppose you know that you voted for 2 articles in Article of the Week ! What you may not know is that only one counted, which apparently is the [fractionally] first that you selected.--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 11:05, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

I wondered about that but then saw, "You may vote for as many articles as you wish (but you can only nominate one at a time; see above)." Probably needs to be clarified.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 11:31, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

Egads!

I have temporarily returned to haunt. What have I missed?--Robert W King 11:32, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

Bug-page created, in a basic form: CZ:Buglist

Hey, cool bug pic! {shivers} I think the main thing you missed not showing up in recent changes right now is an experiment with CZ:Dispute_Watch.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 14:44, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

E-mail

Did you get my e-mail, sent ten hours ago? --Kjetil Ree 15:04, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

I just found it in the spamfilter, got inadvertently caught. I just replied now.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 19:13, 7 August 2007 (CDT)

Almond pressed duck photos

Hi, Stephen, there's a guy in Palo Alto, I think, who has taken a lot of pix of how he prepares Almond Pressed Duck, or Mandarin Pressed Duck, or whatever. I can't see how to get an email address for him to ask permission to use some of the photos in the http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Almond_Pressed_Duck article. Miracle man that you are, could you try to contact him and get permission? Many thanks! There's a Flickr link to him at:

http://flickr.com/photos/96779408@N00/323495488/

I can't find any other photos at all of this item except at maybe two restaurant websites. If this guy won't give permission, I'll have to wait until the next time I make it and then take my own. Sigh.

Hayford Peirce 12:07, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

Release under a CC license requested.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 15:15, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

Samantha Smith

I'm intending to contact the Globe for permission tonight. As for the article, would you be willing to help me in editing it to achieve CZ Live status? Paul Austin 05:11, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

I'll see what I can do, no promises.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 10:14, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Candle photo

Thanks for the legwork on the image for fire! Much appreciated. --Robert W King 13:24, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

Butler

Yup, will do so now. Anton Sweeney 05:52, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

Ah - I was beaten to it. Next time :-) Anton Sweeney 05:56, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

I saw you working on this - Edward I has passed it's approval date too. --Todd Coles 13:50, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

Edward I

Done, with some help from Chris. Anton Sweeney 04:52, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Cool. I saw the template issues going down. :-) I announced it at CZ:Approval Announcements. We should probably just make an entry there part of the approval process for constables, I think, since the approving constable can certainly best keep tabs on such matters.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 05:02, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

It might be worthwhile adding in a 'Step 0' to the approval process - along the lines of 'State on the talk page that you're going through the approval process steps, so noone else does the same'. Might be worth a second set of instructions for articles that have subpages/metadata pages? Anton Sweeney 05:15, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Looks like much of that procedure page will have to be rewritten to deal with the new subpage and metadata pages. :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 05:40, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Butler 1

Steve, we may be getting into some over-editing here: I understand why you most recently changed that "The" to "A" in the Butler article, but you may have introduced an ambiguity as a result. It is my understanding that a house typically has only one butler - making whomever THE butler in A house. Thus, some combination of The and A makes sense in that sentence, so if you begin with "a butler" it should probably be "the house" (or vice versa, as it was.) Roger Lohmann 18:55, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Ah, very good point. I think my changing it was simply to get away from the association I made between "The butler" and the "The butler did it!"  :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 18:58, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

I concur with the over-editing bit. This article is excellent, although minor improvement can be made. So let's go onto another one. [You could try with "Race", God help me] --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 19:07, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

I'll think about that, Martin. Off the bat, I think Race (biology) ought disappear as a separate article.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 19:23, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Yep. This is partly why I havent written the section, I have about 1000 pages to read on the matter. Interestingly, the most complete discussions are in two journal volumes devoted to it, and one of them is a British social science journal {Ethnic & Racial Studies]. The other is American Psychologist.--Martin Baldwin-Edwards 19:31, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

anthro

That would be great - my main problem with the article as it is - is that the sub-disciplines are not clearly defined e.g. physical anthro doesn't really include genetics, it USES genetics... Additionally, it is written very much from a social anthropological bias, which is ok, but probably doesn't reflect the enormous diversity of modern "anthropology". Another way to do this would be to create stubs on the sub-disciplines I listed and then bring those stub summaries into the over-arching article?

Talk to you in two weeks,

Lee R. Berger 10:10, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

• by the way - I see you are a micronesian fan - is that for fishing or diving? My teams and I have just made a major discovery in Palau which we will be announcing in the next couple of months.

Lee R. Berger 10:27, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

I taught adult education on Saipan for two years. You are right that anthropology is written from a socio-cultural anthro bias., and American anthro bias. That's because its principle authors (Joe and myself) have those biases but are very cognizant of them as a shortcoming.  :-) Hope we can hammer it out well.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 01:11, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Image:MGS.jpg

Per your suggestion, I edited the permissions section of Image:MGS.jpg so attribution is not required within CZ. I've also removed the {{Image|Oliver Smith}} template from the Metal Gear Solid article as well. Oliver Smith 17:44, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Yep, that's your right but you have to give notice of it, see Help:Images#Attributing media within articles. Thanks.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 11:09, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Submissions and user page.

Stephen;

Thanks for setting up my account. I have submitted a short article on 'Action' as a theatre term but it is not clear if I have to do anything further to get it approved. Do I contact someone or is there someone on the lookout for new submissions? Is there a special code I have to put after the article. I am ready to upload another quite long article and I thought I'd quiery the proceedure first. Next, I'm not sure how to add an image to my work. I press the button but it doesn't ask me to search my computer as I expected. Rather it gives me the notation above. I want to create an attractive user page. How did you go about creating the box and heading and the colour of your user page? Many thanks for your help, Launt. PS. Will I find your reply by going to User talk: Stephen Ewen? ...said Launt Thompson (talk) (Please sign your talk page posts by simply adding four tildes, ~~~~.)

Hi Launt. Thanks for your contributions. To add images you go to Special:Upload and follow the directions there. If it does not work, make sure you have javascript turned on in an up-to-date browser. To turn on java script, fiddle around in the preferences or options of the browser until you find where to do that. To work articles toward approval, first see CZ:Approval Standards to make sure the article is at that stage; then, CZ:Approval Process to get the full run-down. In brief, you need to get hold of a theater editor; they get the ball rolling. To find one go to Category:Theater Workgroup (that link, which I added, is at the bottom of the article you made, and you should add it to all Theater articles) and click the link for Editors and contact one. Currently we are in scant supply in that department - there are two, but neither are active. You should therefore email one or both of them; use the Email this user option from the Toolbox on the left of your screen. If their emails are not public, let me know. As for creating all sorts of advanced cool stuff with wikicode...you'll learn in time just by progressively doing stuff on the wiki. :-) Let me know if this helps you or if you need additional assistance. Also, see the info I added to your message above, saying how to sign your posts on the wiki.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 00:56, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Ok

He, it is ok. People can read the page anyway, and if it never gets approved, it is not an issue for me and if it gets deleted, it basically is a loss for CZ. Kim van der Linde 13:58, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, maybe I am perceiving things wrongly, but there is no need for guns-a-blazin'. As best I can tell people want to help things along here, help and listen to you, and improve the system where it may need to be. Just a thought.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 14:29, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Stephen, I appreciate your help. Thanks! Kim van der Linde 14:51, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Deleting pages

Staphan, it seems that what I did with porting good pages from WP to CZ is not allowed without substantial editing. Therefore, could you just delete them for me. Kim van der Linde 15:36, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

It is not that cut and dry, see CZ:CZ4WP#Citizendium is not a mirror.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 15:40, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Image help

I think I'm reasonably technically literate (what with it being my job and all...) then every so often I hit some frustrating problem... I've uploaded this and I'm trying to include it in Sea Stallion - and failing. What am I doing wrong? Anton Sweeney 10:40, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

I fixed it. --Robert W King 11:46, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

copyright claims

no one can claim copyright on PD images and Google does NOT claim any copyright whatsoever. PD is public domain and that means FREE use by everyone. CZ should not invent purported copyright restrictions that no one else claims exist (in this case , Google does NOT claim there are any copyright claims). If there are issues here they should be resolved by CZ lawyers. Richard Jensen 02:39, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Yes, I agree they are not claiming copyright. The point is to inform the reader that the digitizer of the PD image has asked people to adhere to certain requests, in this case. That's all. It's up to us to inform of that with {{PD-butclaim}} and not hide it, if we are going to use the image. It's up to the re-user to decide what they shall do with the information. See? Note that the PD images where no such requests were made use only {{PD}}.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 03:49, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

RJ comments: we can note Google's polite, non-legal request but we cannot suggest that PD status (lack-of-copyright) is somehow restricted. The only legal restrictions come with copyright and Google agrees that it does not have one. A restricted CZ code like {{PD-butclaim}} will surely confuse CZ users since Google does NOT assert any rights at all. Their main request is no-commercial-usage (because THEY are commercial and do not want to help Yahoo and other competitors), which CZ adheres to because we are non-commercial. We of course reject Google's suggestion that our use be merely "personal" or private. We are public, and Google's request violates the policies of the libraries from which Google borrowed the books. Richard Jensen 03:58, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

What you have to keep in mind is this is about a lot more than CZ's using of images. We are not just hosting images for our articles. We are hosting images in view of redistributing them! That's the main point of the templates, after all. WP and their Commons are patently irresponsible by flipping the finger at media providers by not informing their re-users of their claimed restrictions and, in the case with Google, their polite requests. That's not the way to build a project with a good reputation among the people we depend upon to provide us with content. That said, I agree {{PD-butclaim}} in this case is too strong and knew that when I placed it--its use of the word "rights", particularly. They are not asserting a restriction right--right or wrong, that is irrelevant, the point is to inform the re-user--but are only making a "polite request", as you say. I am trying to avoid creating a gazillion templates for every nuance! But I just thought of a great idea, one that even saves doing a lot of work in the future, and will adjust the template tomorrow.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 04:13, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

I think we're pretty well agreed here. I suggest CZ has to insist on its rights to FREELY redistribute PD images and texts, with no restrictions whatever on us. That's the law and it protects our operation. The books are owned by U of Michigan Library NOT by Google. Richard Jensen 04:27, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

We should not take a position. We should fully inform and let people make up their own minds. BTW, next time one of us is in Michigan.... :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 04:31, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

we have taken a position, and I agree with your new solution. :) Richard Jensen 13:30, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Sorry for being stupid, but where *is* the solution? Hayford Peirce 13:49, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Yes, technically it is a position, but it is one of neutrality. Hayford, the "solution" is on the image upload pages for the images in Poland attributed to Google Book Search. They've digitized some Public Domain books, where we got some images, but have requested people not use them commercially and that Google Book Search be attributed. The language of their request made {{PD-butclaim}} too strong, but {{PD}} was a poor choice because it did not inform the potential re-user of Google's request. Thus, in what winded up as yet-another-template creation, darn it, we now have {{PD-butrequest}}.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 14:17, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

let's not give multiple credits to Google on images. They get credit on the image page, not on the pages where the images are used. If we start this path every sentence will have a footnote! Richard Jensen 14:24, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

See Help:Images#Attributing media within articles. To see how photographers feel about the matter, read the blog of photographer James Duncan Davidson. To see the same photographer demolish Wikipedian arguments for not attributing images within articles, see here.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 14:38, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

citing photographers is not at issue. Google took no historical photographs. Richard Jensen 14:54, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Yea, its attributing the digitizer or archiver who has done the service of making it available, in this instance. So, for example, if we get a picture of Abraham Lincoln from the Chicago Historical Society, they get attribution in the image box.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 15:36, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

No it is not customary to cite the technician who runs a scanner or xerox machine (in this case the guy was unprofessional and incompetent as shown by many blurred pages in the Norman, Poland book ). Primary attributions (author/photographer) belong on the article page; All secondary attributions belong on the image page, not on the article page. Richard Jensen 16:01, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Agreed that Google flubbed up a lot of pages. Pretty amazing, really. But normal publishers attribute within the article. Original authors and who made it available seems the most informative and courteous way to go.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 18:23, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

No, I have a strong objection as history, politics and military editor. There is no good reason for additing secondary attributions (like which library owned the book, what was the original publisher's name, which subcontractor did the scanning, who did the uploading, who typed the captions, which search engine we used) on article pages. I just looked at cdrom World Book and Encarta Encyclopedias: they do NOT give attributions of artwork on the article page (not even the photographer) . We have already gone overboard to meet Google's requests and it stops there in articles where's I'm an editor. 18:40, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

When we start paying fees to use images like Encarta and EB, we will be talking equivalences here so we can do as they do. Until such time as you digitize the images yourself, we honor the request of the person or entity who made the image placeable in the article at all. I'm done here. If you insist on using them without attributing them in the normal professional manner, they need to be deleted. I've removed them for now.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 19:04, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

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As for the substantive issue, we have full legal right to deal with PD images in any way we choose. In fact we have honored Google's 2 requests (1, non-commercial; 2, attribution so people can find the source.) Richard Jensen 21:34, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

See http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Poland&action=history  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 21:54, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Let me weigh in on this tomorrow. Please, everyone, remain calm and civil; we all want the best for the project. Dr. Jensen, though you are a history editor, this does not mean that you have the authority to set policy about the legal requirements of CZ's use of images, even for history articles: we will have a unified policy about that, not different policies for different groups. That was evidently Steve's assumption, and I agree with that much. It might have been out of line to delete the images, however. Let's consider this all calmly tomorrow. --Larry Sanger 22:05, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

I did not delete the images, only remove them from the article.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 22:10, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Hi Steve and Richard- stepping in as a mediator, it seems that 1. this is an issue which straddles both of your domains (media assets coordinator and History editor, respectively); 2. it's unclear precisely what practical legal rights Citizendium has for using public domain images which digitizing companies assert rights over (personally I'm closer to Dr. Jensen's position, but from a practical standpoint, caselaw isn't settled, so as a matter of organizational due diligence I personally think we should at least consider such claims until caselaw gets settled); 3. it's difficult to decipher how to interpret Google's request. Presumably they're phrasing it in terms of a request as they're not sure of the legality of making claims on public domain images.

Having said that, at this point it does seem we've done what was requested of us by Google (at least for some images), so I think restoring (some of?) the images is quite reasonable (Steve, would you disagree with this assessment? Perhaps I don't know all there is to know here). This doesn't really speak to the deeper question of how to handle public domain images-- whether to pay attention to these requests in the first place, for instance. I think we've got to get a group of interested people together to talk about this.

I'm not sure this is a constabulary issue, and I'd be happy to have someone who might have more relevant authority jump in. But for now, I'm unprotecting the page. I'd ask that we honor Google's request for attribution for the time being. I'll also email the Google Book Search people and see how they view their request. Best wishes, --Mike Johnson 22:41, 26 August 2007 (CDT) edit: I now see Larry's post and will wait to do anything until tomorrow.

My position is that we have fully honored Google's two requests (on the image page) and this does not have to be repeated on every article page. (book publishers typically have a page of small-print acknowledgements at the end of the book re permissions for photos which are purchased)Richard Jensen 01:11, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

My position is Help:Images#Attributing media within articles, and that such attribution must be default and standardized across all articles for it to be workable. Start making exceptions based upon editor whims and forget it--and forget about having a good reputation among content providers and drawing in fantastic photographic contributions.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 02:09, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

CZ needs a policy on this, which apparently has been emerging pragmatically. I am not sure that is the best way, in the sense that allowing redefinition of public ownership by a multinational giant like Google is not part of our Neutrality Policy. I have started on thread on urgent copyright issues here: http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1172.0.html --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 02:49, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

thanks for the hard work

I don't want to sound angry--I really appreciate your hard and very useful work! Richard Jensen 02:40, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Manga & anime

What workgroup would articles about manga & animes fall into. Thanks! Yi Zhe Wu 19:00, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Depends on the form--Literature, but Media when made into a film.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 19:07, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

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Need help with licensing of images from open-access PLoS Biology articles

Stephen: I have started adapting a PLoS Biology article as a "Signed Article" for Life/Draft.

See:Working adaptation here

Problem: I uploaded two figures from the article, but they do not show in the article. Licensing issue, I guess. Since the entire article is open-access under Creative Commons Attributed, I assume all text and figures reproducible.

What must I do? The image filenames you can find in article.

I would appreciate your help. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 19:38, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

Here you go Anthony, Image:CZ Whitfield Fig2 plos biology.jpg is all set to go as are Image:Hurricane_Diana.png and Image:Demise_of_a_sun-like_star.jpg.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 01:10, 28 August 2007 (CDT)

Creating related article

hi Stephen - back from Madagascar. I have just created the Gallery of living primates - how do I make it a subpage of Primate?

Lee R. Berger 05:42, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

Hi Lee, welcome back! You just click the move button and move it to Primate/Gallery. I did it. It is showing up in the subpage template now. :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 03:09, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Thanks Stephen, I have started to work on each individual species of primate - a thankless task mind you! - could you take a look at the format and see if these make adequate stubs, stylistically and content-wise, for bright young sparks to take over? So far Indri, black lemur, Common brown lemur, Black and white ruffed lemur.

Thanks,

Lee R. Berger 04:34, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Also, would you look at the style of reference in the Primate/Bibliography? Before I add a bunch I need to know if anyone has reached a reference style consensus for the wiki?

Lee R. Berger 04:46, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

One more idiot editing question (I promise I'll get the hang of this eventually!) - I was trying to create the nice metadata template (the grey box with subpage links) for the top of the Prosimian article so I could create the appropriate subpages - I went through the nice step by step metadata template instructions for idiots - and in the end I had - you guessed it - no template at the top of the page! Is there an even more idiot proof instruction manual to create one of these for an already created article? (I thought I was so clever adding a checklist too!

Thanks in advance!

Lee R. Berger 06:03, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Figured that one out all on my own...

Lee R. Berger 06:15, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Another little editing snag - why is it that when I create a template page for any article with a title longer than 3 words I get an error when I add subpages9?? See Common brown lemur or Black and white ruffed lemur as compared to Black lemur or Indri??

Lee R. Berger 07:16, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Wow, let's get Chris Day for that one.. --Matt Innis (Talk) 09:57, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Hi Lee, I replied on the talk for Primate/Bibliography. On these template matters, the feature is too new for me to have mastered so I will defer to the creator, Chris.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 11:59, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

i just did Black and white ruffed lemur and it seems to be working. There is one snag in that the main article tab is not blue on the article. I'll try and fix that bug, but I don't see any errors as described above? Chris Day (talk) 14:02, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

All is working nicely now - it was giving me this green box with "an editor has approved this article" and other gibberish - again - I think it was a time thing - but all is well in lemur-world now!

Lee R. Berger 15:01, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Seems alright for common brown lemur too (except the annoying bug I mentioned above). Maybe IE is displaying that bug with an error compared to my minor "off button" ? Chris Day (talk) 14:11, 7 September 2007 (CDT)

Problem at Jack Crawford

Hi, Stephen, I used Larry's new CZ:Start article template to create an article at Jack Crawford but something is wrong. I'm pretty sure that I followed his instructions carefully. I said in my Summary that something wasn't working but no one has replied or tried to fix it -- could you kindly take a look? Thanks! Hayford Peirce 12:23, 8 September 2007 (CDT)

Image copyright issues

Hi Stephen, sorry for not replying earlier, I haven't really been active since creating the Finland article. Anyhow, what would be the best course of action regarding the image Image:480px-Coat of arms of Finland.svg.png? Should I perhaps try to contact the uploader of the image at Wikimedia to get that person's real name? Or what do you suggest? (I must admit that I didn't read the media guidelines closely enough before uploading that image; my humblest apologies.) Elina Rantala 10:15, 9 September 2007 (CDT)

Thanks

For the heads-up regarding the media assets group. Was your post prompted by my new page, or unrelated? I find if I copy my articles over from wikipedia, half of the templates I usually use over there don't work over here. Is the assets group working on fixing those sorts of problems as well? Images are less of a worry - I just need to upload them to here. Cheers. --Russ McGinn 05:19, 10 September 2007 (CDT)

Well, I saw you were active at the Commons and thought you might be interested to know. As for the templates, it may be that there is a better way to do many of them.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 09:52, 10 September 2007 (CDT)

Please look at this article

Good Morning Steve,

Could you take a look at this article TI:Unertan Syndrome - its a med article thus I am concerned about its general style (and thus the interpretation of people who read it} - it reads like an unrefereed paste from a "scientific" article (or one in a journal mis-quoted - note - I've removed the "we's" and "Ours" in certain sections which makes me suspicious). Also, how do I, as an editor, paste a "need references" template without just typing "needs refs" in the body of the article.

Lee R. Berger 13:05, 10 September 2007 (CDT)

Unertan Syndrome is an article written by Dr. Uner Tan. It has a prefix "TI" because it is under (inactive) review by the Topic Informant Workgroup. This just needs to be pretty much left alone, for now, except my a medical editor and the topic informant folks--unless you'd like to join that workgroup, which might be a great idea in this case (I see your note on the talk page for the article). I'll alter Larry to the matter. On adding citation needed tags, we don't do that. Instead, and generally, just express your concerns on the talk page. For anthropology articles--any article placed under the anthropology workgroup--that's different, since you are anthro editor. You have authority over anthro articles, especially when they relate to your area(s) of expertise. You can remove problematic text, and even request that a constable delete problematic articles altogether. Hope this helps.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 13:31, 10 September 2007 (CDT)