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[[User:David Tribe|David Tribe]] 15:28, 14 February 2007 (CST)
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Hello. Just so you know, the right way to add yourself to a workgroup is to add the Category:WG Authors to your user page (as you did with CZ_Authors and CZ_Editors). I fixed it for you on the Biology authors page. Also, based on your résumé, it looks like you may want to be a Biology editor instead of an author. Have a nice day, and thanks for your edits so far --ZachPruckowski 08:45, 21 November 2006 (CST)
- I'm still trying to figure out the hierarchy too. As I understand it so far, if you're an editor you're also an author. So at present you should have six categories. The CZ author and editor, and similar for biology and agriculture. As far as being more specific, then you did the right thing by adding your initials to the topics that represent your expertise. I added you back to the areas in biology with this edit. Let me know if you still need some pointers with regard to the code. It is a little frustrating if you are not familiar with it, however, it is quite intuitive once you get started. Chris Day (Talk) 18:15, 22 November 2006 (CST)
- 1 Images...
- 2 B McClintock article
- 3 microbiology
- 4 metabolism
- 5 Cereals template
- 6 Wheat
- 7 Impressive work
- 8 Radiation and life
- 9 Nice to meet you
- 10 Biology Draft Talk and Science Images
- 11 Ciao!
- 12 Access to protected pages
- 13 Plos
- 14 Hi David
- 15 Thanks for the "image" template in "Systems Biology" article
- 16 Biology montage
- 17 Welcome template
- 18 The Mystery of Consciousness
- 19 Just in case you misss it
- 20 Re Two-Column References Biology/Draft
- 21 protection - not without a twist
- 22 That W on the Biology/Draft history logs
- 23 recruitment letter
- 24 In "Life" entry, added subsection "Linguistic Considerations Relating to the Definition of Life"
- 25 Comparisons between draft and approved versions
- 26 Recent Vandalism
- 27 vandal
- 28 bioinformatics
- 29 Vandalism
- 30 Italiano
- 31 everything?
- 32 Biology (and you thought it was a finite process?)
- 33 DNA
- 34 Advice on 'Life'
- 35 Suggested novice-targeted Intro to RNA interference
- 36 Confused re your remarks re User:talk Anthony.Sebastian
- 37 Move Locks
- 38 Welcome template
- 39 thanks
No problem about the images. Please feel free to browse the net for any images that you would liked added and just let me know so I can direct you on how to do it. Don't forget to sign your comments with four tide marks ~ This will automatically turn into your signature and time of posting so other users can tell who is talking!
Some further reading is here:
Eric Pokorny 16:34, 8 December 2006 (CST)
B McClintock article
David, I re-wrote the first paragraph. It struck me that the emphasis on maize was a bit out of hand, after all it's not that her work was important because it elucidated corn for the world. Would you please read it and make sure that I didn't get things wrong. I think it's fair to say that her work initiated genomics, but maybe it's not. If not, could you explain it to me? thanks, Nancy Sculerati MD 20:43, 8 December 2006 (CST)
Nancy, I agree with you except I feel genomics generally has a different meaning to your use here. hence a small further edit David Tribe 22:27, 8 December 2006 (CST)
Thanks, and you are right about genomics. Take a look at legacy also.Nancy Sculerati MD 00:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
David, please look at the biology talk page. Thanks for that article on Morgan, it taught me a lot and it's a great tribute. Of course, Eric Kandel is a political creature, as well as a great scientist, and he is at Columbia :). As an aside, it's wonderful to be learning and thanks for all you write. Nancy Sculerati MD 12:23, 12 December 2006 (CST)
Hi David, i noticed you didn't give the McClintock article the same treatment as the the biology article with respect to all the non-reference sources and links. Any particular reason for this? I thought it seemed like a good approach having such material on a separate holding page. Chris Day (Talk) 02:57, 13 December 2006 (CST)
Hi Chris, no reason really ; I agree with you in general and Still see advantages of routinely doing this on "main portal" type pages. I will try and explain the several advantages of this through workgroups forums. On looking at McClintock agan I think there no pressure save more space and feel that we can forgo this on that article David Tribe 04:38, 13 December 2006 (CST)
I noticed you were working on the microbiology page. I added the subgroup on the biology draft page (don't know how to link this) since it was absent in the list of types of biology. maybe someone with your editing power can get a microbiology link added to the real biology page. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 20:56, 20 December 2006 (CST)
- There are several links to microbiology in the real biology page. About Pasteur:
- "His life's work in bacteriology",
- where bacteriology is a redirect to microbiology. Also, when Leeuwenhoek work is mentioned:
- "It was realised that tissues were composed of cells, the field of microbiology was born, and the ground was prepared for the germ theory of disease"
- as well as in the "General subfields within biology" template. I agree it should also be in the section Biology today, a survey of the science of life, although that section has not really been discused in detail and is clearly not exhaustive in its present form. I'm not sure we want it to be exhaustive either. Chris Day (Talk) 21:20, 20 December 2006 (CST)
I only was referring to the list of advanced biology fields at the bottom of the biology page. I added the microbiology link on the biology/drafts page but I wanted some editors to see if it should go to the approved article. http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Biology/Draft&diff=prev&oldid=100013668
I understand that there are links scattered through out the biology page directing to microbiology, but I just figured it should be listed at the bottom of the page as well, with the other biology fields. I guess I need to read up on how the drafts actually get taken up in to the real page. Because it feels like the turn over time will be a long time for such a minor thing like adding a link. -Tom Kelly (Talk) 00:40, 21 December 2006 (CST)
David, please look at metabolism when you have a chance. thanks, Nancy Sculerati MD 09:44, 29 December 2006 (CST) sorry, David! I'll stop conflicting with you on metabolism! Nancy Sculerati MD 18:13, 30 December 2006 (CST)
Hi David - Pedro has put a newer version for approval (down at the bottom of the talk page). If I have two more editors on board, I'd be happy to approve it this evening. -- Sarah Tuttle 14:50, 4 January 2007 (CST)
I think the article is really excellent in scope. Well written. Great illustrations. Problem seems to be that you are our only knowledeable editor in agriculture. I just e-mailed 2 chapters on wheat that may help as references. sent to the g-mail URL, listed forums. Reagrds, Nancy Sculerati MD 10:40, 3 January 2007 (CST)
thanks Nancy. Ive already drawn it to the attention of the listed Ag editors but cannot determinine from their sparse CV details if they are specially suited to comment or even active on CZ. I wanted to make sure the article wasnt only seen by biologists. David Tribe 17:55, 3 January 2007 (CST)
I don't understand why "you have to shorten the article..." what's wrong with it at this length or longer?
Because at aroond 32 kbytes in size there are sometimes problems with some browsers reading the pages, so we try and keep total page size 31 kb or less to solve this problem. Currently the article is at 32 kb. A warning comes up on the editor when you save the full article if you're near this size limit David Tribe 16:48, 20 January 2007 (CST)
Radiation and life
On the talk page for nuclear chemistry you wrote that you had read that it is thought that hydrogen generated by the radiolysis of water served as a food for bacteria. Please could you give me a reference to this idea.Mark Rust 15:23, 18 January 2007 (CST)
Nice to meet you
Nice to meet you David. If I stick around I will probably be wandering into "your" articles fairly often, based on where I have ended up so far. Ian Ramjohn 08:39, 23 January 2007 (CST)
Biology Draft Talk and Science Images
David, of course I'm famously thinned skinned, and so I ask that you go over to the Biology Draft talk page and look at the top at the new comments, re:anonymous e-mailed letter. Also, I was thinking, if we put the copyright stuff-the attribution-directly on the actual image so if the image was copied the attribution was too, we might have a way around. Nancy Sculerati MD 15:14, 24 January 2007 (CST)
- NOW THIS SUGGESTION IS PRAGMATIC BRILLIANCE. Medical practice does teach you stuff, indeed! David Tribe 15:43, 24 January 2007 (CST)
Please look at section just below where you just commented, and comment there too. The first comment is by Zach, about a letter. That's where I'm a bit offended.Nancy Sculerati MD 15:19, 24 January 2007 (CST)
- I replied there and on your Talk page before reading this. Great to get to know you as a person! Feel like calling sometime and chuckling and seeing what your (New York?) accent is like!. But Ive gotta go to work now. David Tribe 15:42, 24 January 2007 (CST)
Yes, we all should meet each other. But where? I vote for an international conference! Anyway, you did a nice job on that last paragraph, it's a real improvement. Would you kindly add your 2 cents (your real ones, not for my benefit) to that "outside person letter" thread on the Draft/talk page. Nancy Sculerati MD 22:20, 25 January 2007 (CST)
Hi David, thanks for your comment on my page (though I might move it to the talk section): what were you doing in Lodi? By looking at your bio I'd say it was related to the farms there. Cheers --ripa 05:33, 25 January 2007 (CST)
Access to protected pages
- Yes I live in Melbourne, though I am currently overseas. The problem with photo uploads is not that I don't know how to do them here, but that I have uploaded nearly 500 photos to Wikipedia and I don't want to have to upload them again.
- I see you have a background in HIV research. I was heavily involved in the community response to AIDS in 1983-93 and was at one time President of the Vic AIDS Council. I haven't looked at Wikipedia's AIDS article for a while but I'm sure it is dreadful. Perhaps we can do some work on this some time. Adam Carr 04:21, 26 January 2007 (CST)
A comment here was deleted by The Constabulary on grounds of making complaints about fellow Citizens. If you have a complaint about the behavior of another Citizen, e-mail firstname.lastname@example.org. It is contrary to Citizendium policy to air your complaints on the wiki. See also CZ:Professionalism.David Tribe 00:15, 28 January 2007 (CST)
Thanks for the "image" template in "Systems Biology" article
Hi David, i made a change to the wikicode of the montage on my user page. It seems to have fixed the problem on my MAC using a mozzila browser. Could you check it on your computer to see if it has solved the problem? See User_talk:Chris_day#Pictures. Thanks Chris Day (Talk) 13:37, 29 January 2007 (CST)
I see there is a welcome template that is currently being used at Template:Awelcome. This could be modified to reflect some of the issues we discussed on my talk page. Chris Day (Talk) 14:14, 29 January 2007 (CST)
The Mystery of Consciousness
Repeat from Biology/draft--
David: Regarding the "mystery of consciousness": An interest of mine for decades, starting when I read: Jaynes J. (1976) The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Co. I have in hand advanced drafts of three papers I plan to submit to the Journal of Consciousness Studies, someday, of course, Multiverse willing. I’ve had several posters accepted for the biennial Tucson conference "Toward a Science of Consciousness", the abstracts of two of which you can find at http://groups.msn.com/Anthony-Sebastian/. If interested, click there on 'documents' and look for files entitled:
- Consciousness Made ‘Easy’ - The Perspective of a Lay Enthusiast.rtf
- Defining 'Experience' As Prerequisite To Explaining 'Conscious Experience' [post conference revision].rtf
I’d love to start a draft on 'conscious experience' for CZ, but I’d have to give up my academic life first. I know the players in the (controversial) field fairly well, but I can’t think of anyone who would qualify as 'non-POV'. Will give further thought to whom we might try to recruit.
Just in case you misss it
See the talk section here. Talk:Biology/Draft#Montage_updated_to_individual_pictures Chris Day (Talk) 13:28, 30 January 2007 (CST)
Re Two-Column References Biology/Draft
David: Sounds good to me. Easier than reading a long line for each reference. And might eliminate some white space, or not. I'd try it on the my article drafts if I knew how to do it, and keep the columns evenly filled as new references added. Will try looking up the methodology. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 19:07, 30 January 2007 (CST)
OK, I've done some testing. I have Firefox 126.96.36.199 (latest version) on a Mac correctly displaying two columns right now. Are people reporting problems on anything earlier, like Firefox 1.5?
Safari is a different story. It does not work in Safari 2.x on Mac OS 10.4.x (latest browser, latest OS) There's no way around that. However, the next version of Safari will support columns (I tested a (very unstable) pre-release version). I added support for that to the <div> tag in Biology/Draft. I assume that Safari 3 will come out with the new Mac OS X sometime before June.
Anyways, the point is that this is a browser issue, and not one we can fix on the CZ site. Ultimately, my goal is to overhaul the site's current CSS set-up, so that we can do 2 column references without the extra work. But that isn't going to happen until the rest of my life gets canceled for a day or two. -- ZachPruckowski (Talk) 23:54, 2 February 2007 (CST)
protection - not without a twist
Hi David, Protection of pages doesnt seem to be working properly since it is impossible for me to set the protection to edit=sysop and move=sysop. I cant get rid of the other two selections (default, unregistered user). Probably my thick fingers fail me there, but on a MAC it seems very tough. Got anu hints there? Robert Tito 03:19, 31 January 2007 (CST)
That W on the Biology/Draft history logs
The W did show up after you removed some comments, but that's because that's when the "from Wikipedia" feature was implemented. It seems to default to ON, so you likely made that edit without noticing the box (I've done this about a dozen times so far). It's the checkbox marked "Content is from Wikipedia?". Go ahead and set the Biology/Draft article's checkbox to the appropriate setting (depending on whether or not you use WP material), make a minor edit (add or subtract a space somewhere pointless), and then save it. --ZachPruckowski (Talk) 07:28, 31 January 2007 (CST)
could you help me with this? http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/Citizendium_Pilot:Recruitment_Letter#Version_2_for_Biological_.2F_Health_Sciences -Tom Kelly (Talk) 23:48, 31 January 2007 (CST)
In "Life" entry, added subsection "Linguistic Considerations Relating to the Definition of Life"
David: In the "Life" entry, I added subsection "Linguistic Considerations Relating to the Definition of Life". I may presume too much in this case. Feel free to delete or put somewhere else. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 16:43, 3 February 2007 (CST)
Comparisons between draft and approved versions
I accidently came across a way to directly compare these two classes of page. Since each edit has its own unique number it is possible to compare any two edits whether they are on the same page or not. Comparing the current last two versions of biology (approved) vs bioogy/draft gives this result. Clearly it would be possible to have a radio button option in the history of biology/draft to compare it with the most recent version of biology. Obviously this is for the developers to work on, but I think this is a tool that is important for CZ given the importance of both the draft versions in relation to the approved version. Should we propose this to the developers? Chris Day (Talk) 11:46, 5 February 2007 (CST)
Complex though this may sound, you need to undelete "User:Tim Starling", delete "User:Larry Sanger", and then move "User:Tim Starling" to "User:Larry Sanger", then re-delete "User:Tim Starling" (which should just be a redirect at that point. Note that this is the only way to preserve the page history that I know of. -- ZachPruckowski (Talk) 01:25, 7 February 2007 (CST)
noted David Tribe 01:28, 7 February 2007 (CST)
Hi David & Zach,
I'm up for trying to preserve the page history involved. I see User:Jimbo Wannabe - is this Larry's original page? Any pointers on how to go ahead with this? By the way- there's now a User:Michael Johnson. Different than me. --Mike Johnson 01:53, 7 February 2007 (CST)
- Delete anything on Larry's current page (should just be a redirect) and move User:Jimbo Wannabe back to his page (but don't include the talk page). In your case, delete your page and talk page, and move User:Mike Hunt and it's talk page back to your page. -- ZachPruckowski (Talk) 01:57, 7 February 2007 (CST)
- Thanks- looks like it's straightened out for now. If you'd like anything protected... --Mike Johnson 02:05, 7 February 2007 (CST)
Could you please look at contributions of Hillary Hildegard IlI...(or just recent changes). Best regards, Aleksander Halicz 03:42, 7 February 2007 (CST) Reverted to pre-vandalized version a few comments lost perhaps. C'est la vie 20:30, 7 February 2007 (CST)
Thanks for your comment. Please do not regard my previous remarks as a sign of impatience. By a chance, I've spoted the vandals on the recent changes page and you were just the first recently active constable to notify. By the way, it looks like our vandals are not so numerous but well prepared and motivated to make damages to the system. Best, Aleksander Halicz 06:02, 8 February 2007 (CST)
I saw your remark in bio-info about the dna-databases. how about the ethics of illegally obtained dna-profiles. blood tests that (unknown to the testee are stored and used for a dna profile? (it has happened in my country, it will happen in yours, and any other country. where discuss that? Robert Tito | Talk 23:06, 7 February 2007 (CST) David, I remembered the name from yesterday - I instantly blocked with reminder to you. Robert Tito | Talk 16:43, 8 February 2007 (CST) Thanks David, I really wasn't sure there, cation seemed logical, kation more known. So much for distraction by multi-lingual. Robert Tito | Talk 23:06, 8 February 2007 (CST)
Ok, first of all, why'd you ban me? I'm trying to help you clean up the vandalism.
David, I have Italian background but Io no parlo Italiano :) --Versuri 06:26, 10 February 2007 (CST)
- ) that seems the continuous thing here :)))))
Biology (and you thought it was a finite process?)
David, please look at the Discussion Forums at the new Biology (PHILOS) stuff and comment. Hey, I looked you up on Wikipedia , and, after all, you are generally slated as a famous secularist ! Further, you spearheaded the last approval. So, please do comment and please be explicit about exactly what you think of the issues. Thanks, Nancy Nancy Sculerati MD 19:40, 10 February 2007 (CST)
Perhaps you're the infamous one, then. Anyway, please do comment. :-) Nancy Sculerati MD 19:51, 10 February 2007 (CST)
so was your reply. Nancy Sculerati MD 21:31, 10 February 2007 (CST)
Yes, David- but that's why I think we should keep working on other articles. I don't know enough to say about that finch, and the critic has no bio on his user page. We can race Achilles, or chase our tails, forever and get no where. I say bag it for a while and go on. We can keep a running list of corrections. The Einstein portion needs no correction. Work on getting more stuff going. Please - for example- edit DNA tonight. Thanks, Nancy Nancy Sculerati MD 21:32, 11 February 2007 (CST)
And no travel to the Dordogne, Sarlat. J'de'soletDavid Tribe 15:51, 12 February 2007 (CST) tu est désolet?. aucun raison.
- Right now, I'm pretty busy, but be sure I'll have a look at this page in the next few days... sincerily PYC 17:02, 12 February 2007 (CST)
Advice on 'Life'
Taking the Life article in its current draft, what would you like to see further developed or modified. I have much more in mind for this article, especially work on the later sections, but would like to consider the practicality of getting out a draft that qualifies for consideration of approval. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 15:00, 13 February 2007 (CST)
Suggested novice-targeted Intro to RNA interference
- David: To answer some critiques, and make the Intro more 'introductory', I swapped 1st and 2nd pgraphs, and edited with try for more clarity. Check it out, below. If you don't like it, ignore it.
Messenger RNA (ribonucleic acid) (mRNA) is a single-stranded polymer whose sequence of nucleotide bases transports information, present as the double-stranded deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) code of genes, to regions of the cell where that genetic information is used for synthesizing proteins. Understanding the flow of information from DNA to mRNA to proteins - a process known as gene expression (see figure) - is necessary for understanding the process of RNA interference (RNAi), as RNAi potently inhibits that information flow, thus effectively silencing gene expression. Hundreds of human genes are affected by natural regulatory circuits that involve RNAi mediated processes.
Specifically, RNA interference (RNAi) is a mechanism in eukaryotic cells that is triggered when such cells are exposed to certain double-stranded ribonucleic acid (dsRNA) molecules. The process has been detected in many organisms, including animal, plant and protist cells. The distinguishing characteristic of RNAi is destruction of mRNA molecules that share at least some of the sequence characteristics of dsRNA trigger molecules to which the cells have been exposed.
The discovery of RNAi is a major technological breakthrough in biological research, perhaps as important as the development of the so-called polymerase chain reaction (PCR), an in vitro technique that enables even tiny amounts of specific mRNAs to be measured easily. In experiments using RNAi in the fly Drosophila or in the worm Caenorhabditis elegans, the effect of the loss of function of every known gene on a molecular pathway, cellular structure, or organism phenotype can now be determined rapidly and easily.
- I just added Anthony's intro to the article and then ended up rewording it a bit. One good thing about the new version is that it actually referes to the central dogma diagram. i moved the RNAi summary diagram up to the top too, although this may be a bit too much. In its old location it was too small and the legend was too long. Note i edited out two of the sentences from the legend to try and make it more succinct. Chris Day (Talk) 17:12, 13 February 2007 (CST)
Confused re your remarks re User:talk Anthony.Sebastian
David: Couldn't quite follow you. I know of other persons with name Anthony Sebastian. My nephew Anthony Peter Sebastian, knows about CZ, may have registered.
I use Anthony.Sebastian (dot separator) to login CZ & CZ forum. I could put my pic on my User page. Bad idea?
P.S. Hope I didn't confuse things with my RNAi intro suggestion. Wanted you to review before actually editing article.
BTW: 4~ sends me to: http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Anthony.Sebastian. Seems right. Should I sign other than with 4~? Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 18:04, 13 February 2007 (CST)
Ok. Now I see that clicking Talk gets me wrongly to http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthony_Sebastian. Can you fix.
This is going to require a little patience further advice, and some help.
First please document what happens and what outcome you want HERE, please.
My current guess is that I may have to move your dot pages to the no dot pages, as your 4~ button brings you there. This I think is all caused by vandal shuffling far enough back that its a challenge to fix it up. I may need Zachs advice before we do it. Bear with me, and thanks. Im keen to get onto Life.! Its much easier by telephone can you email yours to detribe --AT--gmail.com David Tribe 18:15, 13 February 2007 (CST)
- David: I emailed you my phone number.
- What happens: 4~ gets one to my correct User page (on clicking Anthony.Sebastian segment), but to wrong User talk page (on clicking Talk segment). Correct User talk is http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthony.Sebastian . Wrong User talk is http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthony_Sebastian.
- What I want: 4~ to get one to http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/User:Anthony.Sebastian, with Talk portion getting one to http://pilot.citizendium.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthony.Sebastian. --Anthony.Sebastian (Talk) 18:41, 13 February 2007 (CST)
- What a doozy For the moment my day job!!! David Tribe 19:07, 13 February 2007 (CST)
I think this fix should be simple. Anthony needs to go to preferences and cut n' paste the following into his Nickname box and remember to check the raw signatures box:
- [[User:Anthony.Sebastian|Anthony.Sebastian]] [[User talk:Anthony.Sebastian|(Talk)]]
that should look like the following after signing with ~~~~
Are you trying to move lock everything? because there's probably an easier way. I just don't know what it is. But if we want to talk about changing the blanket rules such that users must meet certain criteria to do moves, file a bug (after talking about it with constables). -- ZachPruckowski (Talk) 14:56, 14 February 2007 (CST)
[User-supplied bio goes in User:Your Name]
Welcome to the Citizendium! We hope you will contribute boldly and well. Here are pointers for a quick start. You'll probably want to know how to get started as an author. Just look at Getting Started for other helpful "startup" links, our help system and CZ:Home for the top menu of community pages. Be sure to stay abreast of events via the Citizendium-L (broadcast) mailing list (do join!) or via Twitter. You can test out editing in the sandbox if you'd like. If you need help to get going, the forum is one option. That's also where we discuss policy and proposals. You can ask any administrator for help, too. Just put a note on their "talk" page. Again, welcome and have fun!
You can find some more information about our collaboration groups if you follow this link Citizendium_Pilot:Discipline_Workgroups.You can always ask me on my talk page or others about how to proceed or any other question you might have.
Kind Regards, David Tribe 15:28, 14 February 2007 (CST)
thanksOf course I continue, as long as I have access ;) --Alex Halicz (hello) 15:31, 14 February 2007 (CST)
- Zamore PD (2006) Essay: RNA interference: big applause for silencing in Stockholm. Cell 127:1083-1086 doi:10.1016/j.cell.2006.12.001 PMID 17174883