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</table>imported>Patrice Grosshttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation_sandbox&diff=408998&oldid=previmported>Patrice Gross: /* Yeas */ Adding my vote2009-11-28T14:42:00Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Yeas: </span> Adding my vote</span></p>
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</table>imported>Patrice Grosshttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation_sandbox&diff=409000&oldid=previmported>Caesar Schinas: Robot: Changing template: TOC-right2009-05-30T15:13:55Z<p>Robot: Changing template: TOC-right</p>
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</table>imported>Dalton Holland Baptistahttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation_sandbox&diff=409004&oldid=previmported>Ro Thorpe: /* Details */ agree2009-02-26T18:42:29Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Details: </span> agree</span></p>
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</table>imported>Ro Thorpehttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation_sandbox&diff=409012&oldid=previmported>Lando Leonhardt Lehmann: Roles as Translators?2009-02-26T16:14:40Z<p>Roles as Translators?</p>
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</table>imported>Lando Leonhardt Lehmannhttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation_sandbox&diff=409008&oldid=previmported>Jitse Niesen: mark as driverless2009-02-23T22:35:29Z<p>mark as driverless</p>
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</table>imported>Jitse Niesenhttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation_sandbox&diff=409025&oldid=previmported>Pierre-Alain Gouanvic: /* Complete explanation */2008-05-11T05:43:40Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Complete explanation</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Unlike most other online (and offline) projects like Wikipedia, this content-based mode of functioning does not start with different sociolinguistic groups offering idiosyncratic views of any given topics, but promotes content-based collaboration, accross language barriers (for instance, we could have, initially, a very active and competent History workgroup in French and another strong mathematics group in Russian and '''both would de facto benefit the English Citizendium''', in these fields)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''A fresh start: content first'''</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>imported>Pierre-Alain Gouanvichttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation_sandbox&diff=409041&oldid=previmported>Pierre-Alain Gouanvic: /* Complete explanation */2008-05-11T05:23:05Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Complete explanation</span></span></p>
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</table>imported>Pierre-Alain Gouanvichttps://citizendium.org/wiki/index.php?title=CZ:Proposals/Internationalisation_sandbox&diff=409045&oldid=previmported>Pierre-Alain Gouanvic: /* Management */ idem2008-05-11T05:13:05Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Management: </span> idem</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The purpose of the present proposal, however, is to welcome potential contributors right now. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It was emphasized that this proposal should get the support of a large portion of the community (see lead section). For this purpose, I have drafted a typical letter that a citizen, author or editor, might get from a typical potential International citizen contributor. </del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The purpose of the present proposal, however, is to welcome potential contributors right now.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Discussion ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Discussion ==</div></td></tr>
</table>imported>Pierre-Alain Gouanvic