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Welcome to my talkpage. If you leave a message here, I will reply here. Similarly, if I post to your talk page, I will have the page on "watch" and will look there for a reply. I just find it handier to keep all of a conversation in one place. Thanks!



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Beir Bua agus Beannacht, Anton! Pop in for a wee dram if you ever find yourself near Sauchiehall Street! W. Frank 19:57, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

PS: I believe that `The term Republic of Ireland is "the description of the State"' is no longer accurate due to recent constitutional amendments... W. Frank 20:09, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

May 22 still

Apologies. I have become over-sensitive to criticism (most especially guised as "trivial questions") and by the time I went back to erase my inappropriate reply to your perfectly reasonable and nice question, you had already seen it, and answered. I'm a bit red-faced, I assure you. Let me give it another try: Generally, edit summaries are only filled out as an indication for why a change has been made. Although that's imnportant when working on the wiki, in the approvals notice board today I kept making dumb mistakes in formatting and spacing and the like, and so never put anything in the summary. I'm a little off my game today (can't you tell?:-) - I never noticed that font business. Probably it's there because that's the title of the section- May 22, and the other stuff just makes it look red to make the section stand out. Like here- if I don't put anything in edit summary when I save the page it will probably come out "May 22 still". I think Citzendium is great, too- and unfortunately, I've become a great big crank. Need a break, and sorry to take it out on you. Nancy Sculerati 12:21, 22 May 2007 (CDT)


No problem :) While doing some work for CZ:Statistics I see some pages that need a minor cleanup. BTW, much more complicated cases exist ;-) --Aleksander Stos 06:45, 11 June 2007 (CDT)


Thanks, I didn't know about the suggestion place at that time :-). I can't legally drink either. Yi Zhe Wu 15:49, 15 June 2007 (CDT)


Thanks! Enjoyed the Ireland article by the way. Former Trinnerhead I see? Nice stuff. Denis Cavanagh 09:05, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

Your drinks are served

Hi Anton, I thought your suggestion seemed a fair challenge. Beer is served. Cheers! --Ian Johnson 12:22, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

You're most welcome. And of course, we all know A is for ABBA. Top of the evening to you! --Ian Johnson 14:21, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

August 29

Have a look at your user page, the date of becoming constable  ;-) Aleksander Stos 11:40, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Oops! No time-travelling for me... Anton Sweeney 11:59, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Irish related articles

Oh, very good. To be honest I put no work towards Kingdom of Oriel and liked the wikipedia version, so I left it as it was. If I come across anything relevant such as that I will add it to the 'see also' section. :) Denis Cavanagh 09:33, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

Oh, thanks! I'll move towards it soon, sometime before the end of the week anyway. I'm looky enough to have had a grandfather obsessed with this kind of stuff and so have a lot of obscure sources locking in our attic somewhere. It'll be kinda fun to add on to it! Denis Cavanagh 09:56, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

Four Courts Image

It seems kind of dark on my LCD so I'm going to see what I can do to enhance it, if you don't mind. --Robert W King 11:39, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Four Courts.jpg
Four Courts colorfixed.jpg

Let me know what you think. I think I got the licensing correct.--Robert W King 12:01, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

The new version looks much better - replaced the image on Dublin with the new one. Thanks again. Anton Sweeney 05:47, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

Easter Rising

He Anton, was wondering if you could anything to the Easter Rising article? I was going to write something about De Valera but I'm afraid it will be horribly biased against him if I do. Turns out that I'm a committed Collins-ite! Denis Cavanagh 05:21, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

I can certainly have a look at it over the weekend, though I'd be in the same camp as yourself :P Ideally, I think, we'd have a short paragraph on all the main leaders (with full articles to follow). Just one thing - you might want to cast your eye over CZ:Article Mechanics, which is the Citizendium style guide. Good work, though, its a nicely balanced article. Anton Sweeney 05:52, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. I think seven of them have their own little article - I'm hoping to do a Pearse main article at some stage. Denis Cavanagh 05:55, 10 August 2007 (CDT)


I adfd a few comments here,User talk:Anton Sweeney/Sandbox/Workgroups. Not much but a start. Chris Day (talk) 09:51, 10 August 2007 (CDT)


How do you do those fada's on Eamon? Denis Cavanagh 11:25, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

On Windows XP, hold the 'Alt Gr' key (the one to the immediate right of the spacebar) down while typing the vowel you want the fada to appear over. Capitals with a fada are a pain: Shift + AltGr + vowel :P Anton Sweeney 11:36, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks. This will make me feel like an Pátriot (definately not an irish word :P)

Valera picture

Regarding to the Eamon de Valera picture, I just discovered that the label on the library picture was "E. de Valera" instead of "Eamon de Valera", if you have any knowledge on Ireland, can you verify whether it is the photo of the Irish president or another E. de Velera? Thanks! Yi Zhe Wu 14:21, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the clarification, so are we ready to replace the picture with King's modified one yet? Best. Yi Zhe Wu 22:50, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Ferrari Checklist

Done. --Charles Sandberg 12:57, 17 August 2007 (CDT)


Butler is ready for approval. As I have been involved as an author, would you do the honors? See CZ:Approval_Process#Sysops_make_it_official_with_the_.7B.7BApproved.7D.7D_template for the how-to.  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 23:52, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

Edward I

Edward I is ready, too. Also see Talk:Edward_I#ToApprove :-)  —Stephen Ewen (Talk) 22:23, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
Oops sorry for treading on your feet there, I had not noticed you were in the process of approval. Note the metadata page can control the placement or removal of all appropriate templates Chris Day (talk) 04:48, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
No worries :-) Was it you or me who caused two 'Approved' templates to appear at one stage? The first was correct, the second was empty (no editor listed). Anton Sweeney 04:51, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Weekly Wiki

I'm going to be on for the next two hours today... I'm at work and practically no-one else is in the office. We should collaborate on something Irish, not sure what exactly. I made a start at my home county of Monaghan, but I am looking for something else to do, something relative recent? Denis Cavanagh 10:03, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Just started Counties of Ireland, but then work interfered :P. Oh - still need to checklist that... Collaboration welcome! Alternatively, if you wanted to tackle something bigger, Irish War of Independence could be something to look at? Or if you want something more recent - we've no bios on any of the modern Irish politicians - Bertie Ahern or Mary McAleese could be goos starting points, and then move down? Anton Sweeney 10:11, 22 August 2007 (CDT)
The Irish War of Independance would be a bit rusty, but I'll make a start on Bertie :) Denis Cavanagh 10:25, 22 August 2007 (CDT)
Heh. :-) I would like to see that covered sooner rather than later, though. Following on from the Easter Rising, it leads naturally into an Irish Civil War article - then onto Troubles in Ireland (or something with a better title!) and Peace process in Northern Ireland - thus covering the major events in the history of the island in the 20th and early 21st centuries nicely. But yeah - small steps, and pick topics you have the energy/enthusiasm for. That'd be a lot of work. Might get to have a quick look at Bertie this evening but I'm not sure if I'll be let (its actually sunny out!) Anton Sweeney 10:33, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

lol, Don't worry, I understand that alright! I thought since I'm stuck at work I should do something productive, you know? I'm getting out at six though so you won't see me for love or money. I've a little bit down for Bertie, but don't worry about it, you have a chance to be in the sun, so take it! Denis Cavanagh 10:40, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Sea Scallion

I fixed the Sea Scallion image issue. --Robert W King 11:47, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

User pages

Dear Anton, I was a bit surprised by the biography you put on User:Kraig Smith. I feel it's too much of an advertisement. I'd appreciate it if you could have a look with this in mind. If you decide that it's okay, then that's fine with me; it doesn't bother me that much. Best wishes, Jitse Niesen 07:49, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

No, I agree. Bio adjusted. Anton Sweeney 09:21, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Staary Anto

Always wanted to do that :-)

I've put up the Anglo-Irish War, its a rough draft but I think we can work towards improving it, if only visually for the moment. Its a sunny day though so I don't hold out much hope for me after work this week! Denis Cavanagh 09:00, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

Good work on the article. As for the section heading above - I'd say something but then I'd have to replace it with a {nocomplaints} template! :P Anton Sweeney 16:32, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

lol, not a northsider I take it! I'm going to be working on expanding a lot of my articles today (slow day in the office alas) so if you want to jump in on any feel free :-) Denis Cavanagh 03:34, 28 August 2007 (CDT)

Roysh, that's the first time I've been accused of being a skanger. And by someone living in the bog, no less! OMG! If my Dubes wouldn't get wrecked, I'd jump in the Beemer and head down there so fast... ;-) (Yep, should be about a bit today...) Anton Sweeney

No point in me making a new title for this message, but take a look at my userpage and see the 'course of Modern Irish History'. If there is anything you think should be added in there feel free! (I'm sure I'm leaving things out of the troubles for example)

I'm also thinking of adding in a section of films, popular novels etc. set during famous epochs of Irish History. Things like The Wind That Shakes the Barley is such a good film it deserves its own article Denis Cavanagh 06:44, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Ambitious list, but you've a good start there already. The only obvious omission from the southern side of the border I can spot is the 1914 Lockout. Maybe something on Ireland during WWII aswell - though that's covered somewhat in another article. Films - yep, there's no reason whatsoever they can't have their own articles - just where necessary, as with Michael Collins, pointing out "Eh... may not have happened like this really..." Anton Sweeney 10:33, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

lol, I think an article for Poetic License needs to be created though! Denis Cavanagh 10:35, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

The article can read: Poetic license: See Braveheart." Anton Sweeney 10:38, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Thanks, Anton! --Larry Sanger 12:30, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

Naming conventions

Hi Anton. I was never comfortable with the insularity of the WP cricket project around naming and this is turning over a new leaf. There's no doubt that, whatever the media or Google counts might indicate, there is a huge percentage of people everywhere who think cricket is a thing that goes Neek! Neek! all night long.......

Best regards. --John Leach 00:48, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for volunteering for wikiconverting

Anton, thanks for joining in. And for commenting re Word tables.

Your comment to me

Dear Anton Thanks for the welcoming remarks. Now to the substance of your message to me. I am and have always been a great believer in division and delegation of labor. There are those who are best at creating substative text and there are those who excel in copy-editing and formatting it. There is no way I could have supplied the close to twenty articles in less than a week if I had to learn and follow all your rules and regulations on format and worry about crossing "t"s and dotting "i"s. Besides I'm an old man, retired, without the help of a secretary, and not too prone to learn new tricks. Having said that I will try learning by experience and in fact have modified my style of summission already. Please bare with me and help me do what I am best at and not good at doing myself. Much obliged. Arnold

Martial arts

Anton...wondering if this article should be under Martial arts (General), then we'd have a set of articles - Eastern, Western, and General - with a disambiguation page under Martial arts (disambiguation) pointing to all three. Thoughts? --Michael J. Formica 08:11, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Hi Michael. That's certainly one way of doing it - but it gives us four articles. Looking at CZ:Naming_Conventions#Disambiguation_in_page_titles, I'd be inclined to go with just three, having the Martial arts page be something of a 'general' article in itself, while pointing to the eastern and western articles and the catalog. What do you think? Anton Sweeney 08:37, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Hilda Geirnger

Good job Anton However there are still 9 notes (i-ix) that need to be wikified as endnotes am I wrong? Also there is a photo that needs to be spliced in. Or isthat someone else's domain? Cheers Arnold

Hilda Geirnger

Would it help if I sent you a Word or PDF copy of the original (prior to inputting into the Citizendium site) draft.

All notes are properly identified there but your system seems to obliterate that information. Hows come?

If you want to see what was submitted please provide a direct e-mail address so I can attach the files.


Hilda Geirnger

All notes should be referenced in the text and numerically shown at the end of the article as are the others you have worked on.

Turkey and the Holocaust

Plese Help!!!!!

I screwed up trying to fix someone else's error.

There are now two paragraphs in the references which belong inside the text.

I have fixed one as a footnote but that too should be in the text at the proper place as well.

Just shows to go you!

One should stick to doing what one is best at.

Cheers--Arnold Reisman 18:46, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Fixed - you'd just left off the closing </ref> tag. Its something I have trouble with too, sometimes - I had to correct about a dozen of my own referencing errors on the Geiringer article last night for pretty much the same reason :-) Note that you can always "go back a step" to revert your own changes to the last "good" version - just click on the 'History' tab of the article, and you'll see an "undo" option. Anton Sweeney 13:38, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Anton Where can I find the button that allows me to inser a footnote someting to the effect [1]

PLEASE ADVISE-- Anton Sweeney 02:59, 30 November 2007 (CST)

Hi Arnold, you need to put the following code at the very end of any page containing references to make them display:
<div class="references-small"><references/></div>
Once that is in, all references will appear "automagically" in the right order at the bottom of the page. I'm adding that code to this page, so the "reference" you put in above should now appear. Note that you always have to make sure to put in a closing reference tag </ref> at the end of the footnote - otherwise, the program assumes that the whole rest of the page is part of the footnote. Anton Sweeney 02:59, 30 November 2007 (CST)


  1. I dont see that in the above as is the case withLink titleor == Headline text == or link title

Hilda Geiringer

Hi Anton Followed your suggestion to break the article up into titled sections.

This however made me rethink the article's logic flow.

Hence some rearrangement of paragraphs.

You are welcome to do more in this regard. Arnold--Arnold Reisman 11:38, 30 November 2007 (CST)

Hey Anton

Good job!

We make a good team.


Arnold--Arnold Reisman 17:08, 30 November 2007 (CST)

Anton I still cant do the notes/references. So please create note 26 to read: Proofreading by Dr. Karin Doerr - Concordia University, Montreal, Canada. And strike that from note 25. Thanks

Two new articles

The way these were entered should make wikifying a lot easier.

Yes or no?

Who should I send the images to?

Please advise. Cheers --Arnold Reisman 20:07, 1 December 2007 (CST)

Emotional dysregulation

Anton: I assumed that was the case. I put it out there because the article is not a stub, and there's little or nothing more to say on the topic. Thanks for your help on it. Blessings... Michael J. Formica 09:47, 7 December 2007 (CST)


(Please read the above in a Finglas accent)

Do you fancy collaborating on something Irish? I'm stumped though for writing Irish articles at the moment. Denis Cavanagh 08:59, 16 December 2007 (CST)

Yup, absolutely - very busy at the moment but should be easing off (hopefully!) later in the week... what topic do you want to cover? Anton Sweeney 08:27, 18 December 2007 (CST)

I'm not sure... Maybe we'll work on something after Christmas? Denis Cavanagh 08:31, 19 December 2007 (CST)

Maybe follow the history sequence we'd fallen into, then? I think the 1913 Lockout and the Civil War are next on the hitlist? Anton Sweeney 10:29, 19 December 2007 (CST)

Re 'wiki-converting'

Anton: Regarding your volunteering to 'wiki-convert' word-processor files from subscribers, please see: For tracking, use section with your name as title. --Anthony.Sebastian 19:48, 18 December 2007 (CST)

Date of photo

I estimated the date Image:Rutherford.jpg was taken but I may be significantly off. If you know better, you might want to give it a better estimate. Stephen Ewen 21:34, 25 December 2007 (CST)

Nope, no further info than what I posted. Incidentally - how do you use/get the image upload template? There used to be an automatically generated blank template with instructions, but I didn't get that when I uploaded this image. Anton Sweeney 05:54, 26 December 2007 (CST)

Merry Christmas Anton!

I see your up late as Well Anton. Hope you had a good Christmas and a happy New Year to ya! Denis Cavanagh 17:52, 30 December 2007 (CST)


  • Beer, Whisky. Where will it all end!? Good to see you Anton. And Happy New Year. --Ian Johnson 14:35, 9 January 2008 (CST)

Good man Anton!

Got the Irish Troubles up and running. Its the kind of thing I'll add a paragraph to here and there when I get a chance. Goodluck. Denis Cavanagh 13:24, 13 January 2008 (CST)

Nice start. See you've got to grips with the dreaded {subpages} too ;-) Just to note, the template needs to go on the talk page too - and that prompts you to create an Approvals page too. Anton Sweeney 17:09, 13 January 2008 (CST)


Got Trinity College Dublin up there. Since you also went to it, you might know something to write about? Just thought I'd let you know :-) Denis Cavanagh 08:25, 1 February 2008 (CST)

Would you believe I was *this* close (holds up thumb and forefinger only a tiny bit apart) to getting a secondhand two-volume book set on the history of Trinity from its foundation, to the 19th century, the other week - then someone bought the first volume before I could :-( Didn't see the point of just buying the second one... Will add to the article when I can. When it gets warmer I may even take photos... Anton Sweeney 09:20, 1 February 2008 (CST)

I'm actually in the computer hut right now! Might take pictures with my phone later if it clears up. Denis Cavanagh 07:30, 2 February 2008 (CST)

Yo! Anton! Party!

Yes, it’s a new month, and your friendly reminder that the write-a-thon is on, and we’d love to see you there! It’s a very long day, so you have many hours yet to join in the madness. Aleta Curry 21:03, 5 February 2008 (CST)

There's a party going on...

...and when you Euro kids wake, Anton, it'll be Wednesday.

So join us!

It should be our usual madcap affair.

This month, our special theme is "Something you absolutely love".

Be there or be square!

Aleta Curry 16:20, 4 March 2008 (CST)

Led Zeppelin

Anton, I just want to thank you for voting for Led Zeppelin in the Draft of the Week. I never expected anyone to vote for it but I do appreciate it :) Thanks! Meg Ireland 17:06, 4 March 2008 (CST)


I archived the page so you might have missed my reply. I had a look and added a little to the resignation, you might want to take a look as well. It was some shock though! Denis Cavanagh 08:00, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

Citizendium charter drafting commitee nomination

Hi Anton, You've been nominated by a fellow Citizendium member to be a candidate for election to the Citizendium charter drafting committee.

If you haven't been following the discussion in the forums, we're getting ready to establish a charter for Citizendium that outlines the project's goals, ideals, and basic structure. To get the process moving, we put together a plan for electing a group of Citizens to compose a draft of the charter, which will then be submitted for community review. You can find more about the plan here.

You've been nominated by another Citizen to be a candidate for election to that committee. The next step is up to you: you may either accept or decline the nomination by going here and following the instructions at the top of the page.

If you have any questions, just let any of those who accepted know. Daniel Mietchen 15:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Charter drafting nomination

Hi Anton,
You were nominated by a fellow Citizendium member to be a candidate for a position on the Citizendium charter drafting committee, but you haven't indicated whether you want to accept or decline. To learn more about what the committee is all about, you can go to the page that describes the process. To indicate that you either accept or decline the nomination to participate in the process as a committee member, you should visit the subpage for nominations; there are instructions on what to do on that page.
Thanks much!
--Joe Quick 03:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Give me a chance - I was only nominated yesterday :-) More than likely, I'll have to decline due to lack of time, but I'll read further and accept/decline by tomorrow. Anton Sweeney 11:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that. It was a standard message I was leaving for everyone who hadn't replied; I didn't look to see when each person was nominated. We need twenty people to accept before we can move on to the next stage and we have 19 right now, so I hope you will accept. I think you'd be a good person to have on the committee. --Joe Quick 13:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Regarding kdljfsolh like tljhy4875doh

Have you seen :-) Howard C. Berkowitz 00:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Hehe - that's certainly good niche-marketing :-) Intelligent as my cat is, though, he's not quite up to making "commands to your programs or operating system." Anton Sweeney 08:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Wot? Wat!

Sending a quick ‘hello’ out to all of you who wanted a weekend write-a-thon. Also, a nudge, push, and a shove to all those who haven’t made it out in a while. This Sunday, 10th January, is your Big Chance. Party theme is ‘stubs’. Now, what could be easier? Write about anything you want! (At least come on over and say ‘hi’—we’ve all been much too quiet lately and I rather miss everybody.) Aleta Curry 20:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Please Revote

There has been a mistake on the Management Council Ballot. Howard C. Berkowitz was left off this ballot. Please recast your vote for Management Council

D. Matt Innis 14:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)/Constabulary

New Politics author

Anton, we have just been joined by Levan Ramishvili of Georgia as a new politics author. You may wish to post a welcome message on his Talk page. Milton Beychok 03:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Patriot Act

If you had checked the page history you would have noticed that I had done some edits to the article in question. I haven't done much as I've been busy with other things. As I am a volunteer, meaning not a paid writer here, you can expect work to be done when I have time. Please delete the page forthwith since you lack the patience for the page to be edited by me or anyone else. This is a wiki after all. Wikis are meant to share the writing experience.Mary Ash 17:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Re Ammonia production

Anton, thanks for fixing that spelling error in the Approved version. Also, if you will look at the History of the Draft version, I revised a wiki link at 16:40 on May 32, 2010 and that same revision needs to be made in the Approved version.

The reason for that wiki link revision is that the Catalysis article was created quite a while after the Ammonia production article was approved. Regards, Milton Beychok 23:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Orestes and Oedipus

I do not understand why you deleted these two pages. I have removed John's speedydelete because the issue could be resolved without deletions and moves and without loss of history. (I copied the long definition to the page and adapted the definition.) I do not know why he restored the speedydeletes. I think the files should be undeleted instead of moving the definitions. --Peter Schmitt 14:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi - I'm looking for contributions regarding the debate over English in Ireland, specifically this part of the British English article; comments welcome, thanks. John Stephenson 04:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Financial Report as of March 15, 2011

Please read our Financial Report as of March 15, 2001 for complete details on our financial history and our current financial situation. If you have any questions, please ask them on CZ Talk:Donate. Milton Beychok 01:01, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Voting results

Anton, would you please do either one of these three:

  • Remove the orange banner completely
  • Revise the orange banner to point at the voting results on the Forums.

Thanks, Milton Beychok 19:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Milton, I've posted the results on the relevant pages and amended the Sitenotice accordingly. I'll take the sitenotice down completely in a couple of days. Anton Sweeney 21:33, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Some questions about the upcoming elections

Hi, Anton:

  • I just nominated a number of people for the MC and editors for the EC. Did I do it correctly?
  • I admit that my memory is not what it once was ... but I don't recall that nominations needed a second in any of our previous elections. What changed and why?

Thanks in advance, Milton Beychok 22:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Milt, Anton is probably asleep by now, so I thought I'd give my opinion for you. Article 25 of the charter, which deals with elections, seems to suggest there has to be a second:

Section Two: Nominations
  1. . Any Citizen may nominate and/or support one or more candidates for a Council.
  2. . A Citizen who is supported by another Citizen becomes a candidate by declaring the intention to serve for the whole term.
  3. . Any Citizen accepting a nomination shall resign immediately from any involvement in the election's organization. The Management Council may appoint a replacement.
D. Matt Innis 00:36, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
To clarify, since you nominated someone, all they have to do is accept. If they nominated themselves, they would need someone else to second. That's my impression and the way I remember the conversation on the charter committee. D. Matt Innis 01:49, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Matt, thanks very much for the clarification ... but I strongly suggest that CZ:Special_Elections_and_Referenda_October_2011 be revised to make that perfectly clear to everyone. As it now reads, it seems to say that all nominations need a second. Milton Beychok 03:49, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Matt: Any rewording would require renewed authorization. In my reading, there is nothing in the wording you have cited here to suggest that a person self-nominating requires a second. All it says is that someone supporting someone else must get their acquiescence. John R. Brews 15:17, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

(Unindent) Anton, here is exactly what CZ:Special Elections and Referenda October 2011 says:

For a candidate to appear on the ballot, he or she must:

  1. Be nominated by a Citizen in good standing, including him- or herself.
  2. Be Seconded by another Citizen in good standing, including him- or herself.

That clearly reads (to me) that all nominations require a second. In both of our recent two elections, I recall that there were no seconds required for any nominations ... including self-nominations.

I repeat my original questions: what changed and why? Milton Beychok 17:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Milt. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner - I had a busy day at work. Nothing has changed since the last election - in fact, I copied the nomination sections verbatim from June's nominations page. I see in a later revision of that page that item 2 was changed to "2. Be Seconded by another Citizen in good standing only if he or she is nominating him- or herself. Otherwise, a Citizen's nomination does not need to be Seconded." I'm going to make that change now to the current nomination page and will leave it there unless the Management Committee rules otherwise. I'm also going to email Dan, asking him to bring this to the MC's attention. Anton Sweeney 19:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
The MC already has ruled on this issue. MC motion 20, 27 April, 2011 ( stipulates that a candidate "must be nominated by at least one citizen other than the candidate himself" (item 2). While there is no mention of "seconding", the nomination process as now worded (after it was updated by Anton) implements this requirement.
In answer to John Brews observation, there is no need for renewed authorization, since the process as now described correctly implements the MC ruling. Dan Nessett 20:49, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Dan. Anton Sweeney 21:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
My thanks also to all involved in getting this settled. Milton Beychok 22:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

About the election ballot

Anton, the instructions for the MC voting states: "Under the heading Management Council, type the name of your preferred candidate." That sounds like we can only type in one name ... but we are voting on two vacancies, therefore we should fill in two names. I am confused. Please clarify. Milton Beychok 18:24, 1 October 2011 (UTC)I

If I may butt in, there are two candidates and two vacancies. The question is which candidate gets David Volk's term, which expires in 2013.-Derek Hodges 22:02, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
That's correct - the candidate with the most votes fills the vacancy with the longest remaining term. Sorry for the delay in replying, I've not been well the last few days. Anton Sweeney 19:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Jean-Phi de Lespinay

What is happening here? We already have User:Jean-Philippe de Lespinay (and his recent -- and only contributions -- are currently under review by the EC). --Peter Schmitt 16:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Peter. I created the account in good faith following an author application that seemed to be in order. I wasn't aware of the EC discussion (which is only visible by searching for the username on the EC wiki). I've blocked the duplicate account and will mail the user. Anton Sweeney 18:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Anton, I only wanted to point out this duplication -- it was not an accusation, of course, and I did not expect that you are aware of our discussion. I was only (a little) surprised that the (almost) duplication did not turn out in the course of accepting application. The major puzzle is that and why he applied a second time with a slightly shortened name. --Peter Schmitt 20:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Nominations/internal links

I did some quick editing to the nominations page - it seemed necessary to rectify the previous edit by another Citizen. Normally I wouldn't wish to edit the page, feel free to change my edits as necessary.

The problem of the links is from the content of the candidate pages themselves - there is a small link at the top of each one to navigate back to the main election page, however this link goes to the older elections making navigation amongst the pages less intuitive. David Finn 08:15, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem with those edits, David.
I see the problem with candidate pages now. There's no real "wiki" way to correct it, without possibly breaking other links, which I'd want to avoid during an election. I think the simplest workaround is for me to add a small header to the candidate statement pages containing the proper links. I'll do this later today. Anton Sweeney 11:30, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Nominations for Management and Editorial Councils

You have been nominated for seats on both the Management and Editorial Councils in the July-August Special Election. The nominator was myself. To accept or decline these nominations, please visit the Nominations page here (for the Management Council seat) and here (for the Editorial Council Author seat) by midnight UTC on July 27th. You may write an election statement for each if you wish (linked from the Nominations page).

The Management Council seat runs until June 30th, 2014 or June 30th, 2015 (the successful candidate with the fewest votes receiving the shorter term) and the Editorial Council seat expires on December 31st, 2013. In the event that Referendum 1 is passed, all seats will expire on June 30th, 2014. Thanks! John Stephenson 17:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)