User talk:Hayford Peirce

Mysterious speedydelete on JFK/Related Articles
No, I didn't put a speedydelete on JFK/Related, but here's what probably happened. I noticed that the former "List of US Presidents" had been moved into the Catalogs subpage of the President article; but the Definition subpage of "List..." still existed. Since it had no "main article" to belong to, I thought it should be speedydeleted, so I put the template on the Definition subpage. But then, when editing "JFK/Related," I noticed that that page links to "List of US Presidents" (which is now a redirect to "Pres./Catalog", and uses the {r} template, so it tries to display the defintion -- which, now, included a speedydelete template (which showed up in the middle of JFK/Related). This isn't very pretty, so I removed the template from "List/Definition". But apparently the fact that the "speedydelete" showed up briefly on "JFK/Related" somehow got it listed on the speedydelete list.

Whew. Got all that? Bruce M.Tindall 20:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Double whew. I'll ask Chris to take a look at it. Hayford Peirce 20:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Was Oswald deleting alone? Is there reason to suspect the Lucien Conein article? Howard C. Berkowitz 21:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

This is what happened. Bruce added the speedydelete template to the list of presidents definition subpage. He then made the following edit that caused the deletion template to appear, along with the deifintion, on the related articles page. A consequence of this was that the speedy delete category was also added.

Then Bruce removed the template from the definition but the Related Articles page is still seen in the deletion category because the page needs to receive a minor edit to reassign the correct categories, even though the template has gone. The page will not be lost from the category until an edit has been made. I just made an edit on the page so it should have disappeared now. This is a royal pain but there seems to be no easy fix right now. But I'm working on it.

In short, anytime you see a page without a deletion template on it appear in the deletion category, it must have had one on at some point in time. A minor edit will usually get rid of it from the deleteion category. Chris Day 21:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I follow how to *fix* it, although not necessarily what caused it. In the meantime, though, now that's a Speedy Delete template on Research, which I see you just edited, but there's no reason given for the requested delete.... Hayford Peirce 21:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Placed there by Richard Jensen, no reason given. Since we're at it, here is a demonstration of how the JFK/Related Articles subpage got into the speedydelete category. If i transclude the content of Research to your talk page here by typing  :


 * Then you will notice the speedydelete tag appears here along with the subpages template, and places your talk page into the speedydelete category, but the speedydelete template was never physically added to your page. Does that make sense? This is also why the subpages template has to be between noinclude tags on the defintion page, otherwise the R template would place the sugpages template on the related articles page for every R template used. Chris Day 21:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I see what you did, and how you did it, and I'll take yer word for *why* it works as it does. I've just removed the  thingee you put here, and now, I think, all should be back to normal. Hayford Peirce 22:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, I think you're getting the hang of it ;) Chris Day 22:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Have him repeat the Basque separatist tactical doctrine, moving out of the mountains: "the reign in Spain falls mainly in the plains." Howard C. Berkowitz 22:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

editor
Susan Reverby didn't apply to be an editor? Chris Day 19:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Geez! Maybe she did! I *thought* it was author!  Oh my, lemme go see.... Hayford Peirce 19:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Literature editors
We only "have" 4 such editors, (see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Category:Literature_Editors ) and all appear to be inactive.

David E. Volk 15:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, *none* of them have ever been active. I think Russell Potter (?) was the only Lit. Ed. who ever did *anything*! Groan. 16:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * And he resigned in protest, although seemed to indicate that he might be open to contact if there were some changes in policy. His rather extensive Forum discussions did not characterize him as someone who simply registered and did nothing. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No, no, he was quite active for a while. And seemed to be a nice guy into the bargain.  I really don't know why he left -- something about the role of experts, I imagine.... Hayford Peirce 17:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't recall his reason for leaving but he did a lot of good work. He writes at googles knol now. Chris Day 17:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

remember the mysterious deletes?
I finally realised what the problem was, see this edit. Any category [placed on the talk page will be seen in the category list with the article name only. Chris Day 07:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, I wonder why we didn't see that before! Just not looking in the right place, I guess.  Glad to know what the mystery problem was! Hayford Peirce 15:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Another favor, please
Hayford, I would also like to hear your opinion of Conventional coal-fired power plant. You can respond here or on my user Talk page or on the article's Talk page. Thanks in advance, Milton Beychok 07:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks very good to me, with a nice, clear, understandable opening. I used to argue with some people (all of whom have left the project, I believe) that *all* articles ought to have at least a single understandable lede sentence or even a paragraph, even for the most recondite subjects.  Couldn't convince 'em.  Well, they're gone.... Cheers! Hayford Peirce 15:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course Milt's openings are great, but you shouldn't forget the difference in abstraction between an electricity plant and a Dowker space. --Paul Wormer 15:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Is that like a Docking station? Or a kind of shoe for wearing on yachts? Hayford Peirce 16:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, where else would you dock a yacht? (well, you could moor it rather than dock it; I've learned sailorspeak) Seriously, I don't think all articles can have openings that are accessible to all, but such articles should keep going upward with or  until they are.


 * That, however, requires a top-down wiki approach, which I prefer but many do not. Strong linking, even through related articles pages, will help.Howard C. Berkowitz 16:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * When I say that the lede should be accessible, or understandable, I'm simply saying that the opening sentence should read: "Wigglestine's framus is a mathematical construct that is useful for biogeologists as they evaluate the relative axial positions of the yoni as compared to the lingam." RATHER than having a lede that is: "Wigglestine's framus is X times Q3 to the 7th power, squared and then stirred with an eye of newt." That's all -- just something that tells the general reader *where*, or maybe *why* this thing mentioned in the article is noticeable enough to have any article about it. Hayford Peirce 16:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hah! Try getting some coherent discussions of yoni and lingam perspective consistent from an XX and XY perspective! Howard C. Berkowitz 17:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Scientific status
Hi Hayford. At Talk:Pseudoscience you mentioned the lack of scientific status as an attribute of pseudoscience. I wonder if I understood you properly. Are you saying that an theory which isn't supported by the evidence or otherwise isn't in accord with the scientific method will normally not be accorded scientific status? Or that the mere lack of scientific status is sufficient to label a theory as pseudoscience? --Ed Poor 14:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, Ed, you must have me confused with someone else. All I did at the Pseudo. article was remove a redundant phrase that said exactly the same thing as the first part of the sentence.  And, just out of curiosity, I looked at the WP site and put their opening into the Talk section. I think that their opening is better than ours. But that's just my own personal opinion. Hayford Peirce 15:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for talk page and welcome
As much as test for me to see how this compares to (you know who's) editing, but I did want to also thank you for creating my talk page and leaving the welcome message. It may take me a short time to get up to speed, but I'll primarily be reading through rules and norms before I actually start editing.

Again, thank you for the welcome, Ched Davis 17:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Re new user, Hugh Ching, writing an autobiographical article about himself as his first article on his first day in CZ
Hayford, since when are new users allowed to write an autobiographical article about themselves as their first article on their first day as a Citizen? Surely, one must question his motive for joining CZ?? Milton Beychok 05:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, all Constables can do is to approve or reject new candidates. Having approved them, based on their bios submitted, we can't know in advance what they are going to write. As you may have seen, I have already moved the content of his article to the Talk page, pending further action. Hayford Peirce 05:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Martini
I just stumbled upon ... hmm, maybe that's not the best way to say that ... I just found your Martini article. I had always just assumed that the name was derived from the "Martini & Rossi" brand of vermouth, but didn't see that mentioned as a possible etymology. According to The Other Place, "Martini" has been in the firm's often-changing name since 1863. Is there any evidence as to a possible connection between the brand and the drink recipe? Bruce M.Tindall 00:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That has certainly been posited over the years, but most of the stuff I've read about it pretty much pooh-poohs the notion as being coincidental. But who really knows? All of the explanations are rather lame. I just bought a bottle of Hendrick's Gin, which is now the veddy In one, and will give it a go tomorrow night, along with some Rossiere vermouth. Will see how it stacks up against Plymouth. It's 44 proof, as opposed to 41.5 for the Plymouth, and 40 for Gordons and the bulk of the others, so maybe it will give *me* the staggers also.  Cheers! Hayford Peirce 01:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * There are, I suppose, the demented grammarians that believe a single serving should be a Martinus. It is their ilk that will dress an especially thin ballerina in a tu.


 * Personally, I've never really liked Martinis; I prefer single malts, cognacs and things with a more distinctive taste. When a "perfect Martini" is described as almost not there, why bother? There is, however, the advertising CEO that forbade the account execs from drinking vodka at lunch; he wanted the clients to know they were drunk, not stupid. Howard C. Berkowitz 01:45, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

New literature Editor!
Did you see? User:Wendy_Galgan Maybe you could walk her through the paces for approving an article or two... --Joe Quick 03:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip -- I read her application but didn't pay much attention to it since I can't make decisions. See my comment to her on her discussion page. Hayford Peirce 03:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)