User talk:D. Matt Innis/Archive 8



Hi Matt - can you do the honours on Evidence-based medicine :-)Gareth Leng 18:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Gareth! You bet, let me get a confirmation from Robert (and I am assumimg you are still okay with the article and Robert's response to your concerns) and then I'll lock it. D. Matt Innis 18:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Topic informant qustion

 * writing or editing articles about one's own company or organization, as well as adding links to websites with which one is associated

A church is an organization, so it is okay if I write about Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church? You can ask Larry whether I'm capable of collaborating on an unbiased article about my own religion. Look at the Wikipedia version (2001 to 2005 anyway). If anything, I may have overcorrected for bias and balanced the article the 'other way'. --Ed Poor 18:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That is a very good question, Ed. Any problem with asking that on the forum?  I don't feel comfortable making a unilateral decision on that without hearing from the community first and then we can answer it once and for all (until the next time :-) D. Matt Innis 18:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Air pollution dispersion terminology due for approval today
Hi, Matt: Another of my gentle reminder hints. :) Milton Beychok 18:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Matt, I think you are protecting the approved article and then setting the status in the metadata. Recall that changes in categories will only register on the category pages after an edit on the articles or subpage.  The best approach is to set the metadata early in the process and then makes the finishing edits on the respective pages, in this way the categories all register correctly.  I hope this makes sense. Chris Day 19:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I'm doing, but I will certainly change that process if it makes it all work! Thanks Chris. D. Matt Innis 00:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It is becoming clear that an upcoming script priority is to have a way to "jog" or update all subpages associated with a particular medtadata template after it has been updated. I assume this is possible but don't know how to program it. Chris Day 00:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey guess what Matt and Chris?
I archived my talk page all by myself and it worked. (I've no idea *why* it worked, of course, but...) Aleta Curry 02:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * HaHa! There's hope for you, yet!  Now there isn't anything you can't do...  give a lady high speed internet and there is no stopping her :-D. Matt Innis 03:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You ain't kidding! It's like having a bad tooth pulled! Aleta Curry 03:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, lol, Dial-up stinks, but I had no idea you were hurting that bad! Bless you!  D. Matt Innis 03:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely can't stop the right ladies. Now it is true I've had dinner with Grace Hopper, but not that it was a date. She still inspires me; being dead doesn't seem to cramp her style. Howard C. Berkowitz 04:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * She's probably still a good listener ;-) But are you saying she had bad teeth? ! D. Matt Innis 04:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Final approval of AN- is due today
Hi, Matt: Another one of my gentle reminders about a final approval due today. Milton Beychok 16:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Move/Rename
Matt: The procedure you proposed on my talk page blows up big time! Once I moved the main article and subpages, then I could no longer find/access the Metadata template to revise it and move it.

Fortunately, in anticipation of that happening, I had written down the url of the Metadata template and the url of the Talk page ... so I was able to access them and to finish the move okay. But that is a tortuous way of doing it. We really need a new, simpler method. Chris is working on it and maybe he will succeed soon. Milton Beychok 06:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

More about moves
I want to move United States Department of Defense to U.S. Department of Defense because most of the other cabinet articles are now titled U.S ...., but I cannot because the there is a redirect named U.S. Department of Defense and the system thinks it is an article. Can you please delete that redirect, so I can make the desired move? (That's another bug with moving an article). Milton Beychok 06:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I tried revising the names in the Metadata template and moving the Metadata template first ... and then moving everything else with the Move tab. That worked fairly well. However, after the Move tab moved everything else, two pop-up boxes appeared. One said the article names in the Metadate template needed revising (even though I had done so before moving it) ... so I did that and all was then well.


 * The other pop-up box that appeared told me to do something (I've forgotten what) to delete the old MetaData template. However, I ignored that since all seemed well after I revised the names in the new metadata template.


 * Wrapping it up, moving the Metadata page first worked fairly well except for those two pop-up boxes that appeared at the end. I am afraid that would really confuse most of us. Milton Beychok 07:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Milt, so far at least we can move the metadata first, move the article and subpages, then rename the metadata (for some reason), then ignore the last one (unless it is necessary for some other function that we are not aware of, yet). I see that Chris has been moving some things as well and will likely figure out those final details, so let's wait to see what he comes up with before we try writing this in the procedures for moving an article cluster.. D. Matt Innis 07:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ignore the orange warning box, just use the one at the top titled cluster move. Chris Day 07:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is what you should do (and you can try that "test" link at the top of the talk page, next to the language variant info).
 * 1) Move the metadata to the new page first. DO NOT change the pagename field until the end.
 * 2) Go to the new metadata page. Now move the article BUT make sure you check the two options, one to move the TALK page AND the other to move the subpages. There should be a link to initiate the article move at the top of the page.
 * 3) Then go to the new article page. Now the old approval page and the metadata page need to be tagged for deletion. You should see two links and instructions to do this at the top of the page.
 * 4) Finally, there is a link at the top of the page to go back and edit the metadata so the pagename field can be updated (ABC field should be updated too).


 * Those instruction work if everything is as expected, I have not tested all the unexpected scenarios yet, so be prepared for surprises. Chris Day 07:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I found a bug that is a problem if there is no approval page to start with, nevertheless, it is close. WIll try and finish it this weekend. Chris Day 08:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ouch! And I just finished a number of hours slogging through a number of renames! I promise ... no more of that until you finish, Chris. I probably left a number of old Metadata sheets lying around in Metadata heaven. Milton Beychok 09:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

NMR spectroscopy reminder
Approval is today!! -Joe Quick 17:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Got it, Thanks Joe - are you sure you don't want to be approvals manager?! D. Matt Innis 05:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've (sort of) decided to volunteer to do that once I have my plans figured out for where I will be going to school in the fall. I'm still waiting on responses but had an interview with my top choice over the phone the other day, so things are looking good... --Joe Quick 04:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Good news all around! I've got my fingers crossed for both ;-) D. Matt Innis 04:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Re HMO page
Mr. Innis, I agree with your edits and made an additional edit to address a talk page concern. I believe the latest edits now address all concerns. With your approval, I will add the article back to mainspace. Please notify me at my talk page. Thanks. Neil Brick 05:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have made additional changes to the page. When you get a chance, please see my talk page. Neil Brick 05:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I answered on your talk! D. Matt Innis 03:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Am I eligible to approve the biography of James Clerk Maxwell?
Matt, please look here and tell me if I am eligible to join in the approval nomination of James Clerk Maxwell. Regards, Milton Beychok 19:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Page move for Preschool education
Thank you for the offer to move the page to the correct naming format. I would not even know how to begin since there are sub-pages. Melissa Newman 17:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure, just let me know when and where and I'll take it from there! D. Matt Innis 17:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, the where was what I thought you were going to be in charge of. As for the when, whenever you like ... just send me the link.  Melissa Newman 17:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, no, that would be too easy!... and probably wrong :-) I just enforce the policies, not make them ;) D. Matt Innis 18:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Until the issue is settled on if we are going to have a separate space for student versions, I think that it is just best to leave things alone. After that issue is settled, the StudentWorkgroup will need to decide on a bunch of policy issues related to that namespace.  Yes, I admit that I have a bias towards the namespace solution.  Although Larry also suggested the idea, I don't know how many other people have to agree to make a policy. Melissa Newman

Response about images
As I stated to Larry, I don't have a problem with picking images writing wikicode, even writing PHP code, but I do not want to have to write emails to companies and people asking for permission. I am a backroom worker type of person. I like to work behind the scenes and let somebody that has better communication skills do the customer communication. I will do the research, including obtaining email addresses, but the actual correspondence I would prefer to hand to somebody else. Melissa Newman 00:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I added a bunch of image links to the page listed. I included the licenses of either GNU or creative commons as well as the trace back to the source. The government website is public domain, so from what I read on wikipedia we are free to load those images to our servers. Do all of these have to be downloaded and uploaded manually? Or has the batch file upload extension been installed on this website? If all of the images in a group are from the same author with the same license can I just zip and email to somebody who has permission to do a bulk upload? Melissa Newman 01:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Melissa! I took a look at what you have done so far and, without making any comment about any particular copyright issue, it looks like you are figuring it out and doing a good job so far.  I'm sorry that I cannot help with the copyright requests, as my other duties would suffer I'm afraid, but I am quite sure that once you get things going, you will attract interest and with that comes those who will help you.  I'll let you know if I see anything that fails our policies (as will others I'm sure), but I am really looking forward to seeing what you've got to show us. I have no idea about bulk uploads, but keep asking the technical guys and I am sure someone might have an answer for you (and then I'll know, too) D. Matt Innis 01:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * PS - This is your next step. D. Matt Innis 01:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Accidental release source terms/Draft due for re-approval today
Matt, another of my gentle reminders. Milton Beychok 18:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Paul Wormer is eminently qualified to be a Physics Editor
Matt, Paul Wormer wants to become a Physics Editor. In my opinion, he is eminently qualified to be one. I am sure that Daniel Mietchen would agree that Paul is very qualified to be Physics Editor. I would hazard a guess that Paul has probably written more Physics articles in CZ than anyone else.

Can you, as a Constable, see that Paul is made an Editor? Milton Beychok 07:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * As I understand the process, Constables are responsible only for approving Authors -- Editors are chosen by another group of people altogether -- I suggest that you email Larry about this. Hayford Peirce 15:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That is exactly what I did on the 4th of February. I'm waiting for an answer.--Paul Wormer 17:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Paul and Milt, I am not privy to anything in the editorial application review process (for good reason as this is complicated), but I am quite sure it is more a matter of time than lack of will on Larry's part. Hang in there and I am sure that you will hear something shortly.  D. Matt Innis 00:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
I hope I did... Aren't you the Assistant Chief Constable!? Oh no... (Chunbum Park 05:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC))


 * You bet, I had both guns drawn! :) D. Matt Innis 06:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It must be very boring being a Constable here... even the Assistant Chief or the Chief. No vandalism. (Chunbum Park 06:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC))


 * Don't even talk about it. I'd take boredom over daily reverting of vandalism anytime!!  Let's not give anyone any ideas!!!! We have enough to do... D. Matt Innis 06:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

James Clerk Maxwell due for final Approval tomorrow
Thought that this time I would give you a reminder 24 hours ahead of time. :>) Milton Beychok 17:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh great, now I'm going to have to remember! :-) D. Matt Innis 19:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * All you have to remember is to set the metadata first. Chris Day 19:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, that's two things I now have to remember! :-D. Matt Innis 20:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

John Logie Baird is ready for your attention today too! --Joe Quick 01:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Joe, I almost forgot both! (But I did remember to do the metadata first!) D. Matt Innis 02:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Editor
Sure, you are absolutelly right. Having Chris name there didn't make any sense. Sorry. It was a distraction when it should show my username instead. I just pasted the code and forgot to change the name. On the other hand as botany is a subgroup of biology I suppose I can add my won name on it myself (as was my intention), can't I? Dalton Holland Baptista 19:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Heads up on final approval of Flash evaporation
Matt, Flash evaporation awaits you tomorrow. Milton Beychok 00:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, then all I have to do is remember to move the metadata first, right Chris! D. Matt Innis 01:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That's today! --Joe Quick 15:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I usually wait till the evening (here) to give everyone a chance to take one last look... so you might have to remind me again! D. Matt Innis 15:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way, did you notice that it does not show up on the ToApprove list? D. Matt Innis 15:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Evening makes sense. I start chomping at the bit as soon as the sun comes up... :-)
 * It didn't show up because noone had edited the talk page since Howard nominated the article. It's annoying how that happens, but fortunately most articles attract a little discussion during the approval period. I made a minor edit to fix it.--Joe Quick 16:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sometimes I wonder if there are articles out there with tags on them that have been there for a year or more! D. Matt Innis 16:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Leptotes
Hey Matt. From what I understood Joe Quick and Daniel Mietchen are checking it out, but the approval time has been put off as it seems Daniel is busy these days. Dalton Holland Baptista 02:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay, then you are in good hands! I didn't read the talk page, shame on me.. I'll check in right before approval time. By the way, I really like your work, keep it coming! D. Matt Innis 02:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, Daniel Mietchen said he'd be ready to sign on after he's looked over the sources. Chris Day is involved, so I expect he'll be number 3.  Otherwise, Daniel can do a single editor approval. --Joe Quick 13:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Joe. I should've known you'd have it all under control. I'll concentrate on other things until the 20th. D. Matt Innis 13:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Matt, as this is the first article I send to approval and because it is also the first on Botany, I suppose it is a good experience on finding the best way of displaying this type of information on CZ so I have some doubts. The first is: I sent a dated version of the article for approval, however, we have corrected some little things thereafter. When you set the version to be shown you will get the latest one, right? Other thing is are the subpages also locked or I'll be able to edit them in the future? I ask because I have some ideas about the best way to have the info there which are are not settled as yet, have to try and see. Dalton Holland Baptista 14:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Dalton, on your first question - I will use the version that is in the metadata template, so it will be necessary for the version number to be updated by someone and that all three editors approve the version that is in the template. I need to see evidence of that on the talk page at least. If I don't see that all three have approved the version in the template, I will not perform the approval.  Second - The subpages will not be locked, even if they are included in the 'cluster' region of the metadate template.
 * Does that help?
 * D. Matt Innis 14:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does, let's just remember of updating the date on metadata template and get the approvals. Actually most of the changes are typos. No major change has been made so far. I'll place a note on my to do list. Thank you, Dalton Holland Baptista 15:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, I should tell you that I will include copy edits (typos and misspellings) if I see that there is no content change. I can do that even after an approval if you catch something later (you don't need any editors to change a copy edit). D. Matt Innis 15:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

User rename?
I didn't realize that a user rename was possible until I saw one that you submitted show up on the Recent Changes. Could I impose upon you to add a blank space between the period and the T in mine? Thanks! Bruce M.Tindall 20:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I can Bruce. Just as a disclaimer, though, I have no idea if your 'user contributions' will move over..  if you don't mind being the guinea pig so we find out, I'll be glad to use you! D. Matt Innis 21:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * OK with me. Thanks. Bruce M.Tindall 21:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, hold on to your hat, here goes! D. Matt Innis 21:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, Dr. Frankenstein, IT'S ALIVE!!!!! Bruce M. Tindall 22:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Mwah hah ha ha.. watch out, this could get dangerous!  :D. Matt Innis 23:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for deleting the extra template. I'll figure this out eventually. Neil Brick 02:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, you're doing fine. One day you'll be teaching the newbies! In the future, if you have something to delete, use the speedydelete template and a constable will delete it when they get a chance. D. Matt Innis 03:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Glich in democrat pparty approval?
For some reason, the approved page and the draft page are both showing up in the approved category. Did you do something different than normal? --Joe Quick 18:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem was a ghost category on the draft article. Not sure how that might have happened but a jog edit kecked it out. Chris Day 18:31, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Need help
Hi, Matt: Howard Berkowitz, the original creator of and main contributor to the Alkane article, has agreed that it can be merged into the much larger and more complete Hydrocarbons article as long as a redirect is created for Alkane to Hydrocarbons. For your information, Alkanes are just one type of Hydrocarbons.

I don't know how to merge a cluster into another cluster. It seem to me that the simplest thing is to delete the Alkane article and then create a redirect from Alkane to Hydrocarbons. Can you help me with this? Thanks, Milton Beychok 07:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've already asked Chris for help on this and he referred me to you. Milton Beychok 16:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Apologies for passing the buck, but I seem to remember you merging histories once before.  I do not know how to do that, or even if it is possible. If its too complicated i suggest we just cut and paste and leave the histories intact on the redirect pages. Chris Day 16:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Let me take a look. See ya there. D. Matt Innis 16:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * so let me get this straight. You delete one page.  Move the second page to the new home.  Finally restore the old edits.  This last bit is what I am unsure about.  How do you do that? Is there a box to click that ask if you want to restore old edits?  And if they get restored, how do they end up mingling together?  Are the two histories all mixed up? Chris Day 17:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is exactly the pattern, and, yes, on any deleted page, when you go to that page and click the 'delete' tag it will bring you to a page with a list of deleted edits and all you have to do is click to restore and follow the instructions. The last step is to make an edit to bring the histories together (this is the one that if you forget it looks scary).  The histories are merged according to 'date' so they will intermix if the articles were edited on or around the same dates. D. Matt Innis 17:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way, I'm thinking if an article does have subpages, it might be necessary to delete all the subpages, then move the entire cluster... and then restore all the subpages... scary though. I would like to try it on an easy one firts.  Of course, it has never been done anywhere else, because subpages are our invention, I think. D. Matt Innis 17:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Probably not our invention but we are the first to have them as an integral part of all articles. You're right about having to delete all the subpages. Have you noticed that on the metadata page, near the top,  I added a link to make it easy to identify all the subpages and subsubpages in a cluster?  That might help a lot if you need to do it in the near future. The element pages are horrible since they have masses of properties subpages.  I really don't like that style at all.  I'd much have all the properties stored in the metadata. I'd say that is too much of a good thing (checkout Template:Calcium/Metadata) Chris Day 17:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent about the link on the subpages! Now all we need is to have one button to delete them all!)  Then restore them all!!)  I know, you can't blame a guy for dreaming..D. Matt Innis 23:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hydrodesulfurization due for final Approval today
Matt, just a reminder that Hydrodesulfurization is due for your final magic touch today. I am not sure whether I should be reminding you or Joe Quick now that he is the Approvals Manager ... so I will notify him as well. Milton Beychok 14:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Milton Beychok 02:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Too bad Ben Franklin wasn't #100, since he's on the $100
I'm sure you already knew, but he's up for approval today. :-) --Joe Quick 20:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, but I was not going to act on it until I heard from our unofficial? Approval Manager! Are all the ducks in a row? D. Matt Innis 23:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, official. Still working on the details.  The only open question on that article is something I happen to know something about, and I'd say it is best as it stands.  So let's include the copyedits since Russell's nomination and go ahead (as of right now, all changes since nomination are copyedits). --Joe Quick 03:03, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hopefully, even if you didn't know anything about it, it would be ready ;-) I'll take care of it now! D. Matt Innis 03:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Editing privileges
Hi Matt. I could only get to your talk page thru the hard way: typing your name in the small box. I would like to add more biographical/interests info into my user page, but how? Cesar Tort 15:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, Let's get you running better. I've sent you an email, so check it and we'll go from there. D. Matt Innis 21:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I am running better now. Have let you know thru email. Thanks! Cesar Tort 07:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to upload a single self-made image to have it in my user page, but I ignore if that is ok with CZ? Cesar Tort 19:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Your welcome to put a picture of yourself on your user page, so long as it is family friendly! D. Matt Innis 23:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Great! The problem is that every time I try to upload the photo I get CZ's error message that the image has no JPG extension, when in fact it has. Cesar Tort 23:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "Family friendly"? Hmmm, I've been wondering why we've never seen a pic of Howard anywhere! Hayford Peirce 23:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hehe, or mine! Cesar, I know we can upload it (in fact Hayford's is a jpg).  Make sure that there aren't any strange symbols in the name of the file... maybe rename it something simple and let me know if that helps. D. Matt Innis 23:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeap! It did work now. Thanks again! Cesar Tort 00:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

approvals reminders
Milt Beychok and Paul Wormer have three articles coming through the pipes in the next few days. All should be ready to go. Today is vapor pressure, tomorrow is relative volatility, and Thursday is specific heat ratio. Thanks for your help! --Joe Quick 17:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help! I will be walking Hayford through vapor pressure tonight! D. Matt Innis 20:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Does he get breathing gear while you do this? Howard C. Berkowitz 20:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Good thinking, I'll bring a clothespin. Tomorrow will be the tough one with relative volatility.. I'll let him do that one alone while I stay behind the safe barrier :O D. Matt Innis 20:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Consider this my formal resignation from the Constabulary! Jacques-Yves Cousteau


 * Oops, you werent' supposed to see that, Jack! What have you done with Hayford! D. Matt Innis 20:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Flipper the Dolphin chewed away the ropes that held him captive to a giant coralhead and he swam to the surface! Hayford Peirce 21:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Dang, you are good! Never try to one-up a science fiction writer! D. Matt Innis 21:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Was that Flipper the Dolphin or Artificial Flipper the Dolphin? (Try to ignore the ad at the beginning.)--Joe Quick 03:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)