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The current phrasing of art. 21 is "The Managing Editor shall be elected by a simple majority of the voting citizenry during the same election period as the Management Council. For this election, up to four candidates shall be selected by the Management Council, taken from a list of Editors nominated by the community."

This excludes the first ME to be elected along with the MC. I suggest to add a statement to the transition section, such that the election of the first ME does not require prior existence of the MC. Instead, we could go for a nomination scheme similar to the one used for the Drafting Committee. --Daniel Mietchen 22:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * As you all know, I am fundamentally opposed to the Managing Editor role as defined, but I was willing to compromise on letting the MC and EC be elected first, and then elect the ME. There are many reasons not to change the rules for immediate election of an ME, but one of the major ones, to me, is that I expect to see a growth in membership once we make a handover to community government. The pool of candidates for all offices becomes larger.


 * I oppose any changes in rules to force an early and special-case ME election. If the MC and EC are to give policy to the ME, it is only logical that those bodies be in place first. Howard C. Berkowitz 22:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be fine with me too, but in any case, we need clarification of the applicability of art. 21 to the first election of ME/MC. Also, article 51 about the initial numbers of EC/MC should go into the transition rules. --Daniel Mietchen 23:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The ME can make decisions where there is a lack of policy and that is what stimulates the EC or MC to create or improve current policy. I think we need the ME from the get go; to make interim decisions - then once the MC and EC get on their feet (which will take a little while) they can review the ME decisions. D. Matt Innis 12:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. The first election should be for a full slate of all officers: 5 MC members, 7 EC members, ME, and Om. That's fourteen seats.  The MC's first order of business should be to select the Constabulary.  We should designate either the Om or the ME as being up for re-election first.  We should also consider that it is now nearly August, and the Charter specifies that the boards shall be seated on January 1.  I suggest that we grant the first boards an extra four or five months and specify that half the seats shall be up for re-election in 2011, to be seated January 1, 2012.  Do we really want elections to coincide with the holidays?  How did that get decided anyway?


 * We could have a call for nominations for the Om and leave it to the Current EC and ExComm to whittle the list to four .... nah, that would take us until December.  Why don't we just get a list of nominations and just put that list to the citizenry?  Fourteen seats is probably about 20% of the active membership anyway.  Russell D. Jones 01:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Russell, we need to write this up, don't we? You seem to have a good handle on it, so write it up and I'll sign it. D. Matt Innis 01:24, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) I think this should go into a new article directly after art. 51. Some draft phrasing: --Daniel Mietchen 15:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In parallel to the first elections of the Management Council and the Editorial Council, the first elections for the Managing Editor and the Ombudsman shall take place.
 * Any Citizen may nominate one candidate for each of these two functions. These two nominated candidates cannot be identical, but the Citizen may nominate either of them, or both, also for the Management Council and/ or the Editorial Council.
 * Only candidates who accept their nomination shall be eligible. Nominated candidates can accept nominations for no more than two official functions. Accepting a nomination serves as a declaration of commitment, in the case of being elected, to fulfill this function until the limit of the term.
 * The Managing Editor and the Ombudsman shall be elected by a simple majority of the voting citizenry.
 * In the event that a candidate has been elected for two functions, they shall declare which one they accept within one day of announcement of the election results. The same procedure applies to a reserve member that becomes elected by a seat being vacated this way.