User talk:D. Matt Innis/Archive 8

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Hi Matt,

I certainly didn't intend to be incivil towards Ed Poor, but perhaps it did sound like I was. My only point was to emphasise that Ed isn't a citizen with an impartial view towards conservapedia, in case some users thought he might have been. That is all. Denis Cavanagh 16:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Be careful, the rules apply to everyone. D. Matt Innis 16:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Matt - can you do the honours on Evidence-based medicine :-)Gareth Leng 18:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Gareth! You bet, let me get a confirmation from Robert (and I am assumimg you are still okay with the article and Robert's response to your concerns) and then I'll lock it. D. Matt Innis 18:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Topic informant qustion

 * writing or editing articles about one's own company or organization, as well as adding links to websites with which one is associated

A church is an organization, so it is okay if I write about Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church? You can ask Larry whether I'm capable of collaborating on an unbiased article about my own religion. Look at the Wikipedia version (2001 to 2005 anyway). If anything, I may have overcorrected for bias and balanced the article the 'other way'. --Ed Poor 18:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That is a very good question, Ed. Any problem with asking that on the forum?  I don't feel comfortable making a unilateral decision on that without hearing from the community first and then we can answer it once and for all (until the next time :-) D. Matt Innis 18:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Air pollution dispersion terminology due for approval today
Hi, Matt: Another of my gentle reminder hints. :) Milton Beychok 18:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Matt, I think you are protecting the approved article and then setting the status in the metadata. Recall that changes in categories will only register on the category pages after an edit on the articles or subpage.  The best approach is to set the metadata early in the process and then makes the finishing edits on the respective pages, in this way the categories all register correctly.  I hope this makes sense. Chris Day 19:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I'm doing, but I will certainly change that process if it makes it all work! Thanks Chris. D. Matt Innis 00:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It is becoming clear that an upcoming script priority is to have a way to "jog" or update all subpages associated with a particular medtadata template after it has been updated. I assume this is possible but don't know how to program it. Chris Day 00:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey guess what Matt and Chris?
I archived my talk page all by myself and it worked. (I've no idea *why* it worked, of course, but...) Aleta Curry 02:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * HaHa! There's hope for you, yet!  Now there isn't anything you can't do...  give a lady high speed internet and there is no stopping her :-D. Matt Innis 03:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You ain't kidding! It's like having a bad tooth pulled! Aleta Curry 03:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, lol, Dial-up stinks, but I had no idea you were hurting that bad! Bless you!  D. Matt Innis 03:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely can't stop the right ladies. Now it is true I've had dinner with Grace Hopper, but not that it was a date. She still inspires me; being dead doesn't seem to cramp her style. Howard C. Berkowitz 04:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * She's probably still a good listener ;-) But are you saying she had bad teeth? ! D. Matt Innis 04:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Final approval of AN- is due today
Hi, Matt: Another one of my gentle reminders about a final approval due today. Milton Beychok 16:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Move/Rename
Matt: The procedure you proposed on my talk page blows up big time! Once I moved the main article and subpages, then I could no longer find/access the Metadata template to revise it and move it.

Fortunately, in anticipation of that happening, I had written down the url of the Metadata template and the url of the Talk page ... so I was able to access them and to finish the move okay. But that is a tortuous way of doing it. We really need a new, simpler method. Chris is working on it and maybe he will succeed soon. Milton Beychok 06:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

More about moves
I want to move United States Department of Defense to U.S. Department of Defense because most of the other cabinet articles are now titled U.S ...., but I cannot because the there is a redirect named U.S. Department of Defense and the system thinks it is an article. Can you please delete that redirect, so I can make the desired move? (That's another bug with moving an article). Milton Beychok 06:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I tried revising the names in the Metadata template and moving the Metadata template first ... and then moving everything else with the Move tab. That worked fairly well. However, after the Move tab moved everything else, two pop-up boxes appeared. One said the article names in the Metadate template needed revising (even though I had done so before moving it) ... so I did that and all was then well.


 * The other pop-up box that appeared told me to do something (I've forgotten what) to delete the old MetaData template. However, I ignored that since all seemed well after I revised the names in the new metadata template.


 * Wrapping it up, moving the Metadata page first worked fairly well except for those two pop-up boxes that appeared at the end. I am afraid that would really confuse most of us. Milton Beychok 07:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Milt, so far at least we can move the metadata first, move the article and subpages, then rename the metadata (for some reason), then ignore the last one (unless it is necessary for some other function that we are not aware of, yet). I see that Chris has been moving some things as well and will likely figure out those final details, so let's wait to see what he comes up with before we try writing this in the procedures for moving an article cluster.. D. Matt Innis 07:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ignore the orange warning box, just use the one at the top titled cluster move. Chris Day 07:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is what you should do (and you can try that "test" link at the top of the talk page, next to the language variant info).
 * 1) Move the metadata to the new page first. DO NOT change the pagename field until the end.
 * 2) Go to the new metadata page. Now move the article BUT make sure you check the two options, one to move the TALK page AND the other to move the subpages. There should be a link to initiate the article move at the top of the page.
 * 3) Then go to the new article page. Now the old approval page and the metadata page need to be tagged for deletion. You should see two links and instructions to do this at the top of the page.
 * 4) Finally, there is a link at the top of the page to go back and edit the metadata so the pagename field can be updated (ABC field should be updated too).


 * Those instruction work if everything is as expected, I have not tested all the unexpected scenarios yet, so be prepared for surprises. Chris Day 07:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I found a bug that is a problem if there is no approval page to start with, nevertheless, it is close. WIll try and finish it this weekend. Chris Day 08:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ouch! And I just finished a number of hours slogging through a number of renames! I promise ... no more of that until you finish, Chris. I probably left a number of old Metadata sheets lying around in Metadata heaven. Milton Beychok 09:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)