User talk:Joe Quick/Archive 5

Image licenses that read "BlahBlahBlahBlah...."
Joe, a couple of the current image upload options end up with a license that reads "BlahBlahBlahBlahBlah....". Is it the intent that those options will someday be revised to some actual license? Or what? Milton Beychok 19:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, probably. We should make a list of which options produce that result.  I can probably do something about it after I get my thesis turned in this Friday. --Joe Quick 00:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Here are the file upload options that use "BlahBlahBlahBlahBlah...." as the license:


 * Some other internet source that features re-usable media
 * Some book, newspaper, or other print publication, as a scan or screen capture
 * Somewhere else, but its copyright has expired, or I think it may have
 * I am an author and need to make a fair use (fair dealing) claim
 * I am an editor and need to make a fair use (fair dealing) claim


 * I think I found all of them but I may have missed some. Regards, Milton Beychok 06:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Joe, now that Stephen Ewen is back (thank goodness!), perhaps you could get together with him and get something done about those image file upload licensing options that read "BlahBlahBlahBlahBlah....". Those are sorely needed items. Regards, Milton Beychok 22:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's good news, I hadn't noticed him around yet. I actually just finished off my PhD applications and was planning to return to this in the next couple of days, so the timing is just about perfect. Now, I'm off to read your article on continuous distillation - I'll leave comments there. --Joe Quick 23:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with your suggestions for Continuous distillation and have implemented them. Thanks for taking the time to review the article. Milton Beychok 18:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Joe, have you been able to make contact with Stephen Ewen about working on all those file upload license options that only read "BlahBlahBlahBlahBlah...."? If not, could you and Chris work together to solve that problem? Milton Beychok 22:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

brute force attack article approval
Joe, I have now scanned this article and am willing to support its approval if that is still needed. Let me know what I need to do, as I am not up on procedures re: approvals.Pat Palmer 23:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Matt left a note for you on the article's talk page. All you need to do is add your name to the metadata template below Howard's and Milt's --Joe Quick 01:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Joe, way to go. I don't think we would have been able to get everyone together on that one without you pulling the strings.  On the next one, I'm going to stay away until I hear from you... unless you need me for something... you can always email me, too. I think our only quark is that you come on after me... D. Matt Innis 00:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Re
Joe, can you get some editors to take Clinical decision support system to the approval stage and start the approval process? Thanks. Supten Sarbadhikari 07:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do. This might be a good one for the three editor approach, since many people seem to have contributed in one way or another. --Joe Quick 01:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Reply for editorial request
Hi Joe! Thank you for giving me the opportunity to edit the Waldo Peirce article. I am not competent to contribute to this article. My interest is in post World War II American art. Thank you again. (Marika Herskovic 16:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC))


 * Hi Joe! Thank you for your trust in me. I shall do my best. I have started an article just now. I will try to complete it in the coming days. Sincerely, (Marika Herskovic 19:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC))


 * Hi Joe! Could you direct me as to the reference formating. Thank you, (Marika Herskovic 19:35, 2 April 2009 (UTC))


 * copied to Marika's page Marika, perhaps we could benefit one another, and CZ, with an actual case study. I'd welcome some review of articles on pastel and charcoal (art), where I do have some inline citations that might be good examples. Your thoughts would be welcome on both using and citing specific commercial information; it's an interesting line to explain that different manufacturers' products have different properties, and when an example is useful without implying endorsement.


 * While the full citation mechanisms can be complex, the most basic way to do an inline citation (please look at this in page, not edit, mode, as I am using some escape sequences) is:


 * This will create an inline footnote. The contents of the citation will appear when you put:
 * or   might be replced by   and  , respectively.

Can you see any drawbacks to this? Caesar Schinas 15:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Please do consolidate those if you have the time. That's what I wanted to do to begin with, but then the person who was heading up the project to get that stuff together wanted them separated for some reason.  You might look at consolidating other templates as well, such as the two fair use templates I've been working on recently or maybe the public domain templates.


 * Just don't mark anything for deletion or do anything to break the current templates yet. We will need to change the instructions for upload and update the templates used on photos already uploaded before we get rid of the old templates. --Joe Quick 16:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, also make sure that we will easily be able to add new options to the Creative Commons template as new images are imported under different variations of the licenses (different countries, different versions, etc.) --Joe Quick 16:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Joe, please have a look at CC and User:Caesar Schinas/sandbox. Caesar Schinas 16:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks good so far. I'm going to take a break for a few hours. --Joe Quick 17:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Alright, I think I've finished CC. I've altered all the CC-by templates so that they transclude it. I thought I'd better let you have a look before I do the same for the remaining CC templates. Caesar Schinas 07:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That looks great, Caesar. The next step is to replace all current uses of the old templates.  Could you run a bot to do that?  I would think it would be fine to run a bot from your account as long as you let people know ahead of time.  I'll see what needs to be done with the upload settings, though it might be a little time before I can get it all finished up. --Joe Quick 03:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I wonder if I can get away with just going ahead with this, or if someone who hasn't yet answered me about bots scripts will turn up and make a fuss... :-/
 * Perhaps I'll just do it, starting with templates which aren't used on may articles, such as CC-by-1.0...
 * Caesar Schinas 06:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well' I'm running my script on a few templates. We'll see what happens. If anyone wants me to stop just leave a note on my talk page or send me an email. Caesar Schinas 06:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I've replaced all the CC-by templates on all images. I don't know what needs to be done to stop the image upload wizard from adding them to new images, but the sooner it can be done the better... Then these templates can be deleted.
 * I'll do the same for the other CC templates soon.
 * Caesar Schinas 08:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to keep you up to date... I have now replaced all uses of all the CC templates. There were a lot more than I expected... Caesar Schinas 13:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've marked all the lowercase redirects (Cc-by-xx redirecting to CC-by-xx) for speedydeletion, and for all the templates themselves I've just made them transclude CC, as the upload wizard will still be adding them to things (grr...) Caesar Schinas 15:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'll address the upload wizard situation as soon as I can find time.  Thanks for all your work. --Joe Quick 17:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Problem while uploading an image from Flickr
I just uploaded a photo from Flickr. When I went to the page for creating a credit line (to give attribution to the copyright holder), that page lacked the template and the instructions that are usually on the credit line page. I have uploaded so many images that I knew the template needed and how to use it ... but newcomers would be lost at that point. Milton Beychok 04:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I did see this, but... I don't think I can have made any changes which would affect it. Do you know what the template in question is?
 * Caesar Schinas 15:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. I'm about to head out for brunch, but I'll try to figure it out later today. --Joe Quick 15:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Copyright Templates
IS there any difference in usage between Copyrighted and Bypermission-noreuse, or can I merge them? Caesar Schinas 09:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Dunno. I'll look later today if I can find a few minutes. --Joe Quick 15:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Upload Wizard
Hi Joe,

What do you think of my initial draft of a new, simplified upload wizard, at User:Caesar_Schinas/Upload?

Oh, and I ought to let you know that I have made quite a few changes to the code behind the existing one, in case you wonder what's going on when you next look at it...

Caesar Schinas 17:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

That looks like a good strategy. We do need to make sure that people are presented with easy and obvious choices for a few common sources like flickr and wikimedia commons. --Joe Quick 20:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of possibly having the option "The work is available under a licence which permits reuse. (eg Flickr, Wikimedia, etc)" go to a second page where the user can choose where it came from. I think it is important to keep the first page as uncluttered as possible to avoid confusion; a lot of people can't figure out the current wizard. Caesar Schinas 07:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Can we develop the whole system in your user space and then move it over?  I don't want to make the upload wizard more confusing before we make it better. --Joe Quick 16:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, that was my intention.
 * But Paul Wormer reckons it's still to complicated, so on his suggestion I have tried creating one with a simpler first step - User:Caesar Schinas/Upload2. I'm not mad about it... What do you think?
 * Caesar Schinas 17:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In any case, let's make sure that it actually reads: "The work is available under a licence that permits reuse. (eg Flickr, Wikimedia, etc)"! The old Which/That Nazi, Hayford Peirce 17:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * As a Brit, I maintain that that is very unusual, if not incorrect, in British English, and I think that CZ policy is for the creator's language to be used, isn't it? Caesar Schinas 17:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on being the first person to use the new Upload Wizard! What did you think of it? Caesar Schinas 09:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It was pretty smooth. Actually, I used it because I couldn't remember how to upload public domain photos in the old one and I knew it was easier with your new setup.
 * I was thinking that the buttons/links on the very first page weren't totally obvious. Could they be made into more obvious button-looking links next to the message on the very first page?
 * One other thing: the image notes asked me to edit the page and record who owns the copyright or why it is not applicable but I didn't see a place to do that. I assume that you meant to build that into the code for public domain images and I looked at the code but wasn't sure what to insert or where.
 * All in all, it looks really good. Just a few kink left to be worked out :-) --Joe Quick 14:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Isn't there something about kinks in the family-friendliness policy? :-) (A kink also is a perfectly valid thing to happen to a rope, especially a wire one.)
 * Serious question: often, with government images, there really isn't a source for date, perhaps because no copyright is claimed. Should date be mandatory if there is no copyright claim? Howard C. Berkowitz 14:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it should be strongly encouraged at least. When a date isn't available, then we obviously can't supply one, but whenever we have one, we should use it. --Joe Quick 16:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll think about the first page and see what I can do. I hope to eventually add some styles to common.css which will allow the buttons to provide feedback when hovered, making the interface more intuitive.

PD images have no copyright holder, so you shouldn't be asked for one. I'll have a look and see what the problem is; thanks for letting me know.

I'm not sure about dates on PD images - I don't see that they're needed except for copyright-expired images. But you can always just put unknown or even - gasp - leave it blank...

Caesar Schinas 10:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Dates aren't super important for the legal side of public domain images, but they should be included for the benefit of anyone who wants to reuse them and even for people browsing our images here. Dates set an important context for images of people and things that evolve or change over time. --Joe Quick 15:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I revised CZ:Article of the Week. Provided a place for anyone to simply make nominations. Then the program Administrators will do the transclusions.
I just revised the CZ:Article of the Week to provide a place (and instructions) for any CZ author or editor to simply add the names of new nominees.

I did NOT make any revisions to the transcluded versions of the articles that were added by Daniel Mietchen, Caesar Chinas or myself. All I did was provide a new section where anyone can simply add new nominees without having to transclude them.

I also reworded some section headers (and relocated one section) to make clear that Administrators of the "Article of the Week" initiative would do the transclusions.

I did that because I felt many authors and editors would be reluctant to make nominations if they had to do the transclusion themselves.

I asked Caesar Chinas to review my revision. After he does, I will also revise CZ:New Draft of the Week similarly. Milton Beychok 23:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

We need some feedback
Joe, please look at This thread in the forums. We need some feedback in that thread. Milton Beychok 06:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)